Dreams Who has em!

[Gumbala]

I grew up with a mother who spoke about the importance of dreams and remembering them as a learned ability. She referenced a tribe I have yet to find somewhere in Africa that gets up every morning and sits in a circle and talks about the dreams they had that night.

Either way I always have been fascinated by Dreams and what they represent.

To me in a whole dreams represent a key into the afterlife (IMO).

It seems that when I havent been having dreams there is something different in how I process things consciously.


Any ideas on the subject are welcome!

 

[Guest]

Dreaming is the natural human form of a psychedelic. I believe it manifests the subconscious and the more you try and remember them the better it gets, and the more you understand them.

 

[thcbound]

The other night I had a dream that I was at a farm with a bunch of friends out in a hilly woodland area, and the neighbor was some crazy old hippy dude who was dancing around chanting some weird mantra in his shed immediately adjacent to the property I was on. I decided to walk over there and when I entered the shed this guy asked me if I liked the huge cannabis plants he was dancing around, but when I examined the plants they were all mature males! I laughed at the hippy and told him his plants were all males... and I don't remember what happened after that..

Its weird because I always have these dreams about pot plants, I remember one vivid dream I was on this tiny tropical island and I was just overgrowing the entire island with herb, and I was commanding my troops in this huge war against the US Navy which had battleships surrounding my island...

It's strange because although I frequently dream about plants and growing, I never actually smoke or get high in the dreams. Maybe I need to learn how to lucid dream so I can actually smoke some of that shit!

 

[PhenoMenal]

one thing ive found is that if you wake up just a few hours before you would've normally woken up, and then go back to sleep, youll almost certainly remember the dreams you have during those last few hours. Im assuming it has something to do with which phase of sleep youre in at the time - REM sleep, for example. However it's probably healthier to have an uninterupted sleep and not remember your dreams than have an interupted sleep and remember them.

 

[Guest]

I never dream unfortunately, stopped dreaming when i was 15 years old, quite weird but don't know why.

It seems your mother was talking about the Senoi, but that tribe is somewhat controversial. The following i googled http://www.selfhelpmagazine.com/qa/qadream/qadream8.html


The Senoi are one of the great debates in dreaming, and I would like to spend a little time with this good question. The controversy has a long history and the debate still rages at dream conferences.

The Senoi are (were) a Malaysian hunting and gathering tribe brought to the attention of the West by Kilton Stewart. His descriptions of this happy tribe, free of disease and mental illness due to their morning dream sharing and techniques of dream control, were first described in the early 1950's though the research itself took place before the Second World War.

But outside of the isolated references by the dream content psychologist Calvin Hall, the information was relatively unknown. Then Charles Tart (or a friend of his -- Charles can't remember) rediscovered Kilton's writings and made them available at Esalen, the experimental retreat center in Big Sur, California. The ideas became part of a larger program to find the best in self development and consciousness raising techniques which were to be distributed into the mainstream education system. The program floundered, but Tart and George Leonard, a journalist/educational theorist, both wrote popular books that included information on the Senoi.

With the growing frustration with urbanization, technology and Western values arising out of the Vietnam War conflict, the appeal of more earthy, simpler paths arose and with it the valorization of native and primitive cultural patterns and living styles. In the early 70's both Ann Faraday and Patricia Garfield used the Senoi as models in their popular books and Garfield even had a chance to talk with some Senoi that were working in a hospital she visited in the area. The dreamwork principles are summarized by Domhoff: (via Stewart and Garfield,1985, pg 9) and still valuable and worth repeating:

1. Always confront and conquer danger in dreams. If an animal looms out of the jungle, go toward it. If someone attacks you, fight back.

2. Always move toward pleasurable experiences in dreams. If you are attracted to someone in a dream, feel free to turn the attraction into a full sexual experience. If you are enjoying the pleasurable sensations of flying or swimming, relax and experience them fully.

3. Always make your dreams have a positive outcome and extract a creative product form them. Best of all in this regard, try to obtain a gift from the dream images, such as a poem, a song, a dance, a design, or a painting.

Later researchers could not find any evidence of that the tribe practiced this morning ritual and by the early 1980's other critics left the reality of the Senoi in question. The most critical of these researchers was G. William Domhoff, and in his 1985 The Mystique of Dreams he "debunks" the whole affair and argues that the Senoi people show no signs of having practiced these techniques. He also argues that the whole program, as adopted by Westerners, only promotes the very control and manipulation of the environment that it is ardently meant to be an alternative for in the first place.

But the critiques have not caused much despair. Most have felt that the Senoi are an important inner metaphor of our desires and valid as such. For an example of this creativity, see Strephon Kaplan Williams' Jungian-Senoi Dreamwork Manual, the culmination of a myriad of wonderful approaches to the dream inspired by Jung, the Senoi, and his work in areas of healing and wholeness.

Recently some, like Jeremy Taylor, feel the criticisms of the Senoi to be exaggerated and feel that the evidence against them came from the tribe after it had been destroyed by contact with the modern world. They had been pretty much decimated by the Japanese occupations of Malaysia.

The controversy continues, as is evidenced by the very heated discussions found in 1996 issues of the Association for the Study of Dreams (ASD) newsletters between Taylor and Domhoff. The discussion continued in a 1996 panel discussion at the ASD convention in Berkeley, which included Allen Flagg. Flagg married Stewart's wife after his death. Flagg has plans to bring the work more into the public domain, following the lead of Kilton and Clara Stewart who also taught classes on the Senoi dream control techniques and talked about plans of creating an institute.

 

[Depths Of OG]

I think they are simply an extension of your own self-concious.

 

[HuffAndPuff]

Matsuva, nice work, bro. BTW, you didn't by any chance start smoking pot around 15 did you? I did, and it's prolly the last time I had a dream that I could remember. Apparently with heavy use, marijuana affects the ability to remember your dreams. I dunno why the anti-drug goons haven't swarmed all over this one yet.

 

[daisy jane]

Matsuva, nice work, bro. BTW, you didn't by any chance start smoking pot around 15 did you? I did, and it's prolly the last time I had a dream that I could remember. Apparently with heavy use, marijuana affects the ability to remember your dreams. I dunno why the anti-drug goons haven't swarmed all over this one yet.

That's weird. When I am high and then fall asleep, I have some great dreams. I love to dream. But when I get drunk and go to sleep, I don't have dreams (or just don't remember having them).

 

[Guest]

last night i had a dream that my cab had an dwc dripper setup and all of a sudden it kicked on and the door was flailing wildly and there was water spraying everywhere, felt real.....i mean i was like OH NO! i gotta drain the res and kill the pump and dry everything off.....dammit, but i was relieved to wake up to the gentle hum of my cab and the peace of mind knowing that its a soil grow in reality

 

[Verite]

Thats it exactly. Everyone dreams even if you cant recall the memory of it. Weed and booze supress the recall function in your memory. REM sleep and dreaming is the way the brain sorts thru the days events. You can train your brain for better recall by keeping a dream journal on the nightstand to write down any dream fragments when you first wake up or if you wake up briefly during the night. Gradually the fragments turn to full recall and if you keep up the training/journal you can develope the ability for lucid dreaming where you can learn to control aspects of the dream itself. The best I ever got at it was being able to select a setting and some of the people in my dreams and they would kind of take off on their own. But its one of those things if you dont keep practicing you lose the skill. Might be harder to pick up now that Im older.

 

[HuffAndPuff]

Verite, this ties in with something else I read. I think it was in Surfing magazine like 10 years ago, so take it with a grain of sand (ha), but apparently you can control your dreams.

Have any of you ever had a dream, and known that you were dreaming? Well this is where it begins. If you are aware that it is a dream, and you can say to yourself, "look at your hand/foot/whatever" and the 'dream you' actually looks at it, then you have broken that barrier. You are now contolling your dream, so have a pound of your dream weed drop into your lap, and then fly off to your own island to smoke it!

HuffAndPuff

 

[newbgrow]

Yes! Lucid dreaming. After you get good at it, it feels amazing, like being drawn in an alternate universe where your mind (subconsciously) determines all the events. You could feel the air blowing across, and if you really exert yourself mentally, you can change the smell and texture of the air. I've gotten that far a few times only, oncewith the help of this herb I bought on ebay (lol) called calea zacateca or something. Just chew the leaves or make tea but it tastes as bad as eating fresh leaves.

What I'm really interested in is, and I know some of you are going to call me on this, but have any of you had a dream that was predictive on the future? I've had a couple that felt like short 5 real minute flash 'fowards' (like flashback, except flash foward) in an unrecognizable place with unrecognizable people. Then a couple months later, I'd be somewhere and all of a sudden it's like, "Wait a minute, I've been here before."

It's usually in an eventless moment and I can't really control the vision so I'm not a fortune teller with a crystal ball or anything like that.

I'm not really on crack.

Verite, this ties in with something else I read. I think it was in Surfing magazine like 10 years ago, so take it with a grain of sand (ha), but apparently you can control your dreams.

Have any of you ever had a dream, and known that you were dreaming? Well this is where it begins. If you are aware that it is a dream, and you can say to yourself, "look at your hand/foot/whatever" and the 'dream you' actually looks at it, then you have broken that barrier. You are now contolling your dream, so have a pound of your dream weed drop into your lap, and then fly off to your own island to smoke it!

HuffAndPuff

 

[R03]

The other night I had a dream that I was at a farm with a bunch of friends out in a hilly woodland area, and the neighbor was some crazy old hippy dude who was dancing around chanting some weird mantra in his shed immediately adjacent to the property I was on. I decided to walk over there and when I entered the shed this guy asked me if I liked the huge cannabis plants he was dancing around, but when I examined the plants they were all mature males! I laughed at the hippy and told him his plants were all males... and I don't remember what happened after that..

Its weird because I always have these dreams about pot plants, I remember one vivid dream I was on this tiny tropical island and I was just overgrowing the entire island with herb, and I was commanding my troops in this huge war against the US Navy which had battleships surrounding my island...

It's strange because although I frequently dream about plants and growing, I never actually smoke or get high in the dreams. Maybe I need to learn how to lucid dream so I can actually smoke some of that shit!

Your weird hippie dude offering you male plants in your dream is part of your subconscious, signifying your worry of getting male plants.

 

[Sammet]

last night i had a dream that my cab had an dwc dripper setup and all of a sudden it kicked on and the door was flailing wildly and there was water spraying everywhere, felt real.....i mean i was like OH NO! i gotta drain the res and kill the pump and dry everything off.....dammit, but i was relieved to wake up to the gentle hum of my cab and the peace of mind knowing that its a soil grow in reality

ha im pissing myself with laughter

 

[Horus]

I had a dream that some weird woman was in my house and she left a bag of ground up weed in the dog bed and told me that "it was your dog's, I didn't smoke any I swear".

It was like an ounce and I figured it was just pre-ground bud because it smelled like some decent middies. Then I decided to walk to the corner store for some food, all happy that I had a free ounce, and I see my black dog Sancho only he's really small, and somehow I realize that he's Sancho's twin brother, and he's exactly the same in everyway except that when he turned 2 he started growing in reverse.

So I keep having to help Sancho's brother dodge cars and stuff for some reason because all of the cars aren't looking and almost hit him. Then I get to the corner store and get this homeless guy to watch him for me while I run inside to buy some food. I go really fast because I don't trust the homeless guy, but Sancho's brother is fine when I get out. A lot more happens but I don't remember it.
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The other dream I had last night was that I was in this really fancy, awesome boarding school with one of my good friends from high school (a true genius but he's misanthropic and yells Meowing noises so everyone will hate him, that's in real life btw). Anyway we somehow skip one of our classes to find this secret tunnel. I also got the feeling I'd seen the tunnel before in another dream, so I knew exactly how to get to it.

On the way there I talked about it with another student and he said "Oh that tunnel? Yeah it connects with the tunnels downtown".

This interests me a lot because in real life my hobby is draining, exploring the stormwater sewers under the city along with other tunnels (even full-fledged sewers once in a while), and I know in real life that there are some great tunnels downtown I can see under grates but I can't find an entrance and there are too many people to just pop a manhole so I'm never able to get in.

Anyway back in the dream, me and Alex get to the tunnel which is behind a giant mirror, and inside there's all of this awesome old stuff: painting, armor, weapons, like old medieval stuff. I don't remember the rest of it.

Dreams are the best part of my day a lot of the time tbh, they're awesome.

 

[NOKUY]

my dreams are mostly nightmares, and i remember them vividly

...and I love it!

I usually wake up in the middle of the night thinking it was all real...and takes me a few minutes to realize it was a dream.

I have been told since i was a kid that i speak in tongues in my sleep.

I also literally bite my tongue severly in my sleep ( I need to get a fix for that )

I was told to get a psych eval..since i enjoy nightmares so much..its true tho.. I really do love nightmares that seem real.

xcept when my legs dont work , or I'm for some reason slower than I should be in real life.



(Ive been known to gulp sum nyquil...just to have fuked up dreams)

the mind is a crazy thing

 

[PhenoMenal]

I also literally bite my tongue severly in my sleep ( I need to get a fix for that )

just be sure that you are just biting your tongue in your sleep and not having seizures (which often result in tongue biting)

 

[NOKUY]

just be sure that you are just biting your tongue in your sleep and not having seizures (which often result in tongue biting)

no not seizures

...its been all my life, and def. not seizures...it corresponds w/ my fuked up dreams.

 

[smoke1sun]

You want crazy dreams ask the people who have been takining the new smoking drug chantix. that drup has folks on some real crazy pointless dreams, not to mention what percocet did to me when i took that

 

[WoW maannnn]

first i have always had very vivid dreams, in color, and i remeber them mostly. some for my entire life.
i can fly
i have had everything from "wet dreams" to daily donloads of the crap going on tomy past and future (later realized or not, or recognized, is this dejavu?) to very profound spirtiual subject matter.

I have gone through a stage where i didn't rember dreaming or no.

i am unsure of any universal symptom of using cannabis that means no dreaming for me because i still do today, so it could be an age issue for me, or maybe certain strains/ days i stay up and riding alll week end so no sleep=no dream time

not every bag is the same for me, and that is part of the fun in my situation...