DR60 problems

[WaywardBob]

ok well if anyone remembers or posted in my other thread, this is a continuation of that.

i started up 6 seeds that were doing great. about a week into the seedling stage i transplanted them into bigger pots with FFoF soil mixed with 20%ish perlite. i threw them in my DR60(DarkRoom) and they stopped growing. the other growth would yellow off and die as the new leaves would shoot up, and this process went on for a month until i just threw em in the garbage

the majority of the responses i got from the cause was because the soil i was using was too hot/rich.

well i started up 6 skunk#1 which are very forgiving and can handle quite a bit. the last run i had with these i germed them in FFoF with no added perlite and they flourished. well with these 6, i cut the soil with 30% perlite just ot be safe, because what happened last month was so frustrating. well..... the plants are doing the same thing AGAIN!!!!! idk wtf is going on, in the 2 years ive been growing, whats been happening to my plants in the last 2 months is really blowing my fucking mind. im about to go crazy TBH..

what do you guys think is going on here??? ill try to get some picks up soon, but plz plz plz plz plz plz plz try n help me here!!! do you think its the DR60???

 

[vigilo]

no i think its you.
fill out the cannabis infirmary problem questionnaire and u will get replies.

 

[dbfr3sh]

is the dr60 a grow tent? if so then ur f-ed and its the tent. made with pcv lining and is toxic to ur plants. idk if thats what a dr60 is but if its a tent its your problem. good luck

 

[WaywardBob]

http://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=544&pictureid=3830
http://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=544&pictureid=3821
http://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=544&pictureid=3828

ok here is the problem. can someone plz help me out i have no idea whats going on

 

[midwestganja]

Are you feeding them nutes? They look burnt.

 

[Germanator]

no i think its you.
fill out the cannabis infirmary problem questionnaire and u will get replies.

HA! I agree... I don't think I've seen one other post accusing a DR of doing this to a plant. Fill out the form and let's have a look.

Be easy,

Germ

 

[Mr. Bongjangles]

It's not the tent, firstly it doesn't look like it, and secondly Jardins and other tents with silver interiors do not off-gas. One exception to that is the Sun Hut with a white plastic floor.

Here's what seedlings look like in a bad tent in the beginning and the end:

I see a few major differences which indicate your problem is not off-gas poisoning. Looks like the medium is too hot as others have indicated, but I'm not the best at diagnosing seedling problems.

 

[dbfr3sh]

is the dr60 a jarden grow tent? i dont know what dr60 is but in his pictures i dont see anything they looks like silver lineing, not only does that not matter, people were getting the toxic poisening from the white poles from there tents. also it usually takes 2 weeks before you get signs of pvc toxic.

i agree they look burnt as i had problems with my latest seedling grow- too much water and nutes a little too early. but i would have to say if you just got that tent and this shit is happening id move them somewhere else to start and see if it still happens.

it takes two weeks before the toxic comes out, so if you started some and they died and now you started more and there still dieing i believe the two weeks set in and the lining is giving off.

if you do have the silver lining tent then i would def say nute burn or overwatering, but i just wanted to tell u not to be stupid about the tent, i thot it couldnt happen to me and i almost lost 6 ladies due to being stubborn!!

 

[SDOG]

is the dr60 a jarden grow tent? i dont know what dr60 is but in his pictures i dont see anything they looks like silver lineing, not only does that not matter, people were getting the toxic poisening from the white poles from there tents. also it usually takes 2 weeks before you get signs of pvc toxic.

i agree they look burnt as i had problems with my latest seedling grow- too much water and nutes a little too early. but i would have to say if you just got that tent and this shit is happening id move them somewhere else to start and see if it still happens.

it takes two weeks before the toxic comes out, so if you started some and they died and now you started more and there still dieing i believe the two weeks set in and the lining is giving off.

if you do have the silver lining tent then i would def say nute burn or overwatering, but i just wanted to tell u not to be stupid about the tent, i thot it couldnt happen to me and i almost lost 6 ladies due to being stubborn!!

Heres the silver lining look to the top of the pic. http://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=544&pictureid=3828

Also you mention the off-gassing is from white poles. Well guess what Secret Jardins tubing is plain old aluminum. These tents do not off-gas nough' said. Looks like your on to round 3 don't look like much worth saving if ya ask me.

 

[Mr. Bongjangles]

is the dr60 a jarden grow tent? i dont know what dr60 is but in his pictures i dont see anything they looks like silver lineing, not only does that not matter, people were getting the toxic poisening from the white poles from there tents. also it usually takes 2 weeks before you get signs of pvc toxic.

Dude your posts in here are all full of incorrect information..

The sliver lining doesn't matter? WRONG

It was the white poles causing the poisoning? WRONG

It takes 2 weeks for tent poisoning symptoms to show up? WRONG

None of the problematic tents were made with "pcv" as you put it in your first post either.. You mean pvc but, that is wrong as well.

Man, what is the point of replying and repeating information you don't know to be true? Trying to look smart or something? You look like an idiot.

 

[dbfr3sh]

wtf are you talking about, i had one and i researched them. sry mayb i ment pvc, i post usually when im high....duhhhh

from what ive heard, if you buy the tents with the white plastic lining-those walls and the polls have a pvc lining coating on them and with the temps baking the pvc lining releases toxants. the white poles are just as fault as the tent lining.

i dont know if you encountered this problem hands on or not but alot of companies had issues with this and although most didnt admit it, the pvc lining was to blame. some companies offfered a refund of a newer model tent.

chill bro...we can tell you know it all

 

[Mr. Bongjangles]

wtf are you talking about, i had one and i researched them. sry mayb i ment pvc, i post usually when im high....duhhhh

from what ive heard, if you buy the tents with the white plastic lining-those walls and the polls have a pvc lining coating on them and with the temps baking the pvc lining releases toxants. the white poles are just as fault as the tent lining.

i dont know if you encountered this problem hands on or not but alot of companies had issues with this and although most didnt admit it, the pvc lining was to blame. some companies offfered a refund of a newer model tent.

chill bro...we can tell you know it all

Nope you heard wrong.. And repeated it like you knew it to be the facts.. And are still going, ridiculous.

It was the covers, not the poles, but whatever I'm not here to give you the facts you should have researched before opening your mouth.

It is really unbelievable you didn't take a minute to go figure this out after getting called out by 2 people. There is a sticky on it in the infirmary, and you're still in here telling people its the poles and all kinds of other dumb ish?

LOL - I don't know it all, just don't go around telling people what is what unless I'm sure its true.

 

[SDOG]

wtf are you talking about, i had one and i researched them. sry mayb i ment pvc, i post usually when im high....duhhhh

from what ive heard, if you buy the tents with the white plastic lining-those walls and the polls have a pvc lining coating on them and with the temps baking the pvc lining releases toxants. the white poles are just as fault as the tent lining.

i dont know if you encountered this problem hands on or not but alot of companies had issues with this and although most didnt admit it, the pvc lining was to blame. some companies offfered a refund of a newer model tent.

chill bro...we can tell you know it all

Its not about being a know it all. Its about having the experience required to answer the questions. "from what ive heard" thats not the experience required. I personally own a DR80 which is the exact same as a DR60 just a different size. So i can 100% tell this person its not his tent. All your doing is sending him on a run around now he's gonna be worried its his tent when in reality its his soil or some other human related error. Mr.B knows what is up. Lastly i think we all post when were stoned or smoking as we post whatever peoples deal is. I don't expect wrong answers cause your stoned.

 

[dbfr3sh]

god i hate KNOW IT ALLS!!! like i said i know its as much of the walls as it is the poles. there coated with the same pvc shit. i figured for auguments sake id find the info and post it.

HomeBox

Homebox claims its products are not affected by the Offgassing because they use a different plastic product to make their tents namely Polyethylene (PE) and claim that it is PVC based tents that are affected.



Quote:
Lately, we have had an increasing number of customers and retailers approaching us with questions and concerns about some problems they have heard of with grow boxes. Some were simple problems like the cover material becoming brittle with use or a strange smell to the boxes when they are new (due to outgasing); other problems ranged from weird, complex to some that were a bit frightening like plants yellowing and dying within the grow boxes. Everybody wanted to know if these things could happen with an Original Homebox as well. The answer is "No."
How can we be so sure? Let me explain.
Our Homeboxes were on the market for over 3 years before the first imitations appeared. In that time we have not received one single complaint. And, we can assure everyone, that all these problems will definitely not occur with any of our products which are of the highest quality.
When starting the inventing process of the portable grow box we named Homebox, finding the perfect material needed for the cover was a huge issue for us. The demands were set fast:
• Durable and tough but not too heavy
• Lightproof
• Reflecting inside
Soon it was clear, that it had to be several materials, combined to one. Looking only at these perimeters, Polyvinyl chloride (PVC) seemed to be the best solution, followed by Polyurethane (PU), which has very similar properties. It is easy to laminate, tough and relatively cheap.
But we also had clear demands concerning the protection of:
• The users and consumers health
• The environment
Now, looking at these factors, both PVC and PU were instantly not a choice any more.
We researched a lot, and after long time and many investments into trials and tests, we found the perfect combination for our Material.
It consists of 3 layers:
• on the outside we use webbed Polyamid (PA), for strength and durability and to make sowing possible
• as a middle layer, we use black Polyethylene (PE) to guarantee that it is lightproof
• the inner layer is white PE to ensure maximum reflection and perfect ability to clean
Why did we choose to use PA and PE instead of PVC or PU? And why is that so important in reference to the occurring problems?


and like i said twice. if the dr60 was a jarden tent, which im guessing it is, then it wouldnt be affected! i said that twice and both of you are putting ur two sense where it doesnt belong. i dont study tents for a living so im sry if i didnt type it like a college professor.

if you do get one of the "offgass" tents your supposed to bleach the whole inside down and bleach the poles and run the unit for at least two weeks before any use, some have said this fixes the problem.

find another way to be an ass, if you dont know ur tent-recalls that is

 

[JamieShoes]

I just put up my DR 120 - if it's the tent, I'll have double the trouble - I did LOADS of research into the various tents before buying and have seen many many successful grows using the DR range. Without wanting to ask the obvious, did you check all your levels (ec/ph/temp) and ensure adequate venilation?


j

 

[Mr. Bongjangles]

god i hate KNOW IT ALLS!!! like i said i know its as much of the walls as it is the poles. there coated with the same pvc shit. i figured for auguments sake id find the info and post it.

HomeBox

Homebox claims its products are not affected by the Offgassing because they use a different plastic product to make their tents namely Polyethylene (PE) and claim that it is PVC based tents that are affected.



Quote:
Lately, we have had an increasing number of customers and retailers approaching us with questions and concerns about some problems they have heard of with grow boxes. Some were simple problems like the cover material becoming brittle with use or a strange smell to the boxes when they are new (due to outgasing); other problems ranged from weird, complex to some that were a bit frightening like plants yellowing and dying within the grow boxes. Everybody wanted to know if these things could happen with an Original Homebox as well. The answer is "No."
How can we be so sure? Let me explain.
Our Homeboxes were on the market for over 3 years before the first imitations appeared. In that time we have not received one single complaint. And, we can assure everyone, that all these problems will definitely not occur with any of our products which are of the highest quality.
When starting the inventing process of the portable grow box we named Homebox, finding the perfect material needed for the cover was a huge issue for us. The demands were set fast:
• Durable and tough but not too heavy
• Lightproof
• Reflecting inside
Soon it was clear, that it had to be several materials, combined to one. Looking only at these perimeters, Polyvinyl chloride (PVC) seemed to be the best solution, followed by Polyurethane (PU), which has very similar properties. It is easy to laminate, tough and relatively cheap.
But we also had clear demands concerning the protection of:
• The users and consumers health
• The environment
Now, looking at these factors, both PVC and PU were instantly not a choice any more.
We researched a lot, and after long time and many investments into trials and tests, we found the perfect combination for our Material.
It consists of 3 layers:
• on the outside we use webbed Polyamid (PA), for strength and durability and to make sowing possible
• as a middle layer, we use black Polyethylene (PE) to guarantee that it is lightproof
• the inner layer is white PE to ensure maximum reflection and perfect ability to clean
Why did we choose to use PA and PE instead of PVC or PU? And why is that so important in reference to the occurring problems?


and like i said twice. if the dr60 was a jarden tent, which im guessing it is, then it wouldnt be affected! i said that twice and both of you are putting ur two sense where it doesnt belong. i dont study tents for a living so im sry if i didnt type it like a college professor.

if you do get one of the "offgass" tents your supposed to bleach the whole inside down and bleach the poles and run the unit for at least two weeks before any use, some have said this fixes the problem.

find another way to be an ass, if you dont know ur tent-recalls that is

You're the DUMBEST person I've ever come across on the boards..

LOL - so bleaching the insides of an off-gassing tent will fix the problem? WRONG

You still insist the poles are affected too? WRONG

So where in what you quoted does it say the bad tents were made with PVC? Or that the poles are involved?

That is an explanation from Homebox of why their tents do not off-gas.. All they say is that they considered PVC at some point.. Man you can't even read.

Again, you are literally the dumbest person I've ever come across on icmag.. Saying anything more is a waste of my time.

 

[WaywardBob]

shit sorry guys ive been gone for a couple days... heres the questionaire i filled out

SOIL:

How long has this problem been going on? since the 2nd set of leaves came in
What STRAIN are you growing? skunk #1
What was the establishing technique? seed
What is the age of your plants? 2 weeks
How long have they been in the soil mixture they are in now? 2 weeks
How Tall are the plants? 2 inches maybe
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in? seedling maybe?
What Technique are you using? N/A
What size pots are you using? big enough
What substrate/medium are you using? What brand of soil mixture are you using?(percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?) fox farm ocean forrest with 20% perlite
What Nutrient's are you using? none yet
How much of each nutrient are you using with how much water? N/A
How often are you feeding? N/A
If flowering, when did you switch over to using Bloom nutrients? N/A
What order are you mixing your nutrients? (example: veg nutes 1st, bloom 2nd ect) N/A
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used? N/A
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"? no idea
What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen? N/A
How often are you watering? once a week
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding? N/A
What size bulb are you using? 4xbulb 2foot New Wave T5's
What is the distance to the canopy? 6 inches
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity) 25-40%
What is the canopy temperature? 78-80 fahrenhiet
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range) lights always on
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.) household fan
Tell us about your ventilation, intake exhaust and when its running and not running ? passive, always running
Is the fan blowing directly at plants? somewhat, more upwards towards the light
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist? no
Is your water HARD or SOFT? aquafina
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water? bottled
Are you using water from a water softener? no
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched? no
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when? no
Are plant's infected with pest's? no

ok someone plz help me here, this same thing just happened with my last 6 plants and i had to trash them all because they wouldnt grow.... again, ive got 4 grows under my belt andive never had ANY trouble in the seedling/veg stages of growth... this problem is completely blowing my mind and i have no idea what to do

tytyty

 

[WaywardBob]

bump56

 

[WaywardBob]

bump!!

 

[Mr. Bongjangles]

Its the soil man.. Too hot for seedlings.

Read this post from some dude who has been using the Foxfarms Ocean Forest for many years:

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=1268634&postcount=24

Okay, so take this or leave it. I have been growing with FFOF for 6 years now, or about 30 grow’s. KISS-Keep it simple s_____!
1). Seedlings (10 oz beer cups)-Buy some mix that is for seedlings only. You can get it in small bags. Mix half and half with FFOF and you are good to go. There will be no burning and this works great until 10 days after they sprout. Then add 1\4 teaspoon of grow big and a few drops of ST. This will keep them going until you up-can. Edit: I just tried a full dose of FFOF with seedlings and this one strain hated it as it was way to hot. Some strains can handle it, some can not. I'm going back to my original mix above.
2). FFOF and 30 percent perlite, with lime added and that is it. If you want to add other amendments then do it, but as long as you are using your nutes, then you will not need to add anything else. Once you get a few good grows in, then add amendments. Lime breaks down very slowly, and it will help with PH untill the end, or when you up-can again. There is not enough lime in FFOF-period. AND, GET A DIGITAL PH PEN so you can rule out PH problems if you see your plants going south.
3) Ferts. Like we have all read, start with small dosages and work your way up. Remember, small plants need very little food, big plants need more. Do not forget kelp/seaweed extract and add every 3rd watering at half strength. Use this until the second week of flower and stop. When turning lights to 12/12, keep the MH light going until you see buds start to form, usually second or third week, then switch to hps. This will keep internode length nice and tight. If you have Gig Bloom, give them 3 tablespoons/gal of that along with your veg. ferts afterseven days of 12/12. Now, keep feeding your plants grow big until you see those buds forming, then switch to flower ferts. and
away you go.
Edit: Folks, I can't say enough about silica as I started using it 2 grows ago. Add half strength every feeding.
Molasses: Some use it the netire grow, some, like my self only use it in flower. Can'et say I saw any differnce in the clone I gave it too during the whole grow compared to the one I only gave it to during flower. But I'm not an organic grower.
Folks "think out of the box"! If your plants show signs that they are yellowing to fast during flowering, give them a shot of grow big. I have down both, where some plants I just kept giving them flower ferts, and the others I gave them "what they needed" and those plants out performed like you would not believe. AND, there is no f-ing way I could tell the differnce in taste at the end.
4). Magnesium. Do not give plants extra mag. just because you think you should. Only add it if they show the signs that they need it. If using Foxfarm with nothing else then it is usually added round week 4 of flower. Too much of one thing can lock out the other. So go easy.
5). Calcium. It is the number one overlooked additive out there. I grow using LST and I use a product called supercal. F-ing stuff is amazing! Only use once or twice during veg and once during flower and watch your plants go crazy. Half doses.
6). Bud blasters or whatever you want to call them. Now, these ferts are tricky. I have never used FF line of beasty and such, but I have used kool bloom and a few other products. Be F-ing careful with this stuff. I have seen so many grows (mine as well) where people use it at the wrong time only to stunt the crap out of their plants. Some of these products are put out just because the companies know it will be bought. But, I will try the FF line of bud enhancers this grow to see what I come up with.
Good luck and peace out.
One last thing, I have been growing off and on for close to 25 years now, in and out.
And my best grows have been the ones where I just give the plants what they need which is usually just veg and bloom ferts. But I love to experiment.
Edit. I used the full line of bud boosters from FF. I really did not notice much of a change. In other words, the buds did not explode. I will never use open sesame again as it stunted the clone I tested it on. Their feeding chart has you using it before you flower?? Well I tried it and I will never do that again (it goes in the trash). Some will like this as they hate the stretch. I rely on the stretch, do to my grow style.
Peace out and may all your grows be great.