let me start off by saying I'm no breeder, just a small time closet pollen chucker and defiantly no geneticist. So please forgive my ignorance. That said ... I have noticed some strains usually seem to show much more in the following generation. One prime example for me has been my blueberry. It always seems to shine through . Maybe its just what I'm crossing it to but I've heard other people say the same thing . So what do you think? Are there any strains you've worked with that always seem to shine through and with what traits? Ok on with the debate about DJ short, I mean wait...what? Lol
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Dominant strains
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I'll correct your terminology and that may make it a bit easier to ask the right question.
Often we speak of dominance and such in terms of what we see in a small population or on a single plant - and this is incorrect. What you see is genetic prepotency - or rather, the ability for a parent to pass visually determined similarities from one generation to the next.
However, true recessive or dominant traits are ONLY discovered across a large population. (2k+) Only then are you actually able to see what traits surface in the population and at what percentage/frequency.
There is also the aspect of F1 generations being equivalent to their parents. F2 that outcrossed blueberry hybrid and see how often those unique traits surface...it certainly won't be with the same consistency in an F1. That is just the nature of genetics.
dank.Frank
Often we speak of dominance and such in terms of what we see in a small population or on a single plant - and this is incorrect. What you see is genetic prepotency - or rather, the ability for a parent to pass visually determined similarities from one generation to the next.
However, true recessive or dominant traits are ONLY discovered across a large population. (2k+) Only then are you actually able to see what traits surface in the population and at what percentage/frequency.
There is also the aspect of F1 generations being equivalent to their parents. F2 that outcrossed blueberry hybrid and see how often those unique traits surface...it certainly won't be with the same consistency in an F1. That is just the nature of genetics.
dank.Frank
This isn't to discourage your interest in genetics or breeding by any means. If you ever wish to be TRULY independent, you'll have to learn how to better the lines you have at your disposal...
For that reason alone, it is important to learn PROPER breeding practices and terminologies. In many cases of scale - much of it doesn't "work" for the hobby grower...but at the same time, applying proper practices can also ensure that you do make the best selections out of what is available to you...and that is equally important.
Just keep reading and keep learning. Keep studying. Keep applying. Don't let anyone tell you what is and what isn't possible...many of the greatest clones we have are the results of pure happenstance.
dank.Frank
For that reason alone, it is important to learn PROPER breeding practices and terminologies. In many cases of scale - much of it doesn't "work" for the hobby grower...but at the same time, applying proper practices can also ensure that you do make the best selections out of what is available to you...and that is equally important.
Just keep reading and keep learning. Keep studying. Keep applying. Don't let anyone tell you what is and what isn't possible...many of the greatest clones we have are the results of pure happenstance.
dank.Frank
CosmicCharlie
Member
I haven't done any breeding but can think of a few examples from reading on here.
Sour Dubb
Sour Boggle
Blueberry
Some OG Kushes
Sour Diesel
Some Hazes
But it's really like Dank Frank says...Plus it depends if the male or female is used (even reversed)...
Sour Dubb
Sour Boggle
Blueberry
Some OG Kushes
Sour Diesel
Some Hazes
But it's really like Dank Frank says...Plus it depends if the male or female is used (even reversed)...
I mean, if you want to see what dominance actually looks like without a large population -grow and breed Deep Chunk to pretty much anything...
The White - for the most part does breed *fairly* "stable" - in the grand scheme of things. She makes a GREAT test plant for males as it is very easy to see what attributes they passed forward when breeding to her.
I find Blueberry lines to be all over the map for the most part. Same is true with many of our modern Chem hybrids and resulting lines. Breed Sour Diesel - eh, good luck - already seen 30 different breeders mess with her and get mediocre results. Every time a Sour D line is made, it's hot for a minute until the first couple thousand plants are sorted and then everyone slowly moves on. OG's have a unique enough growth profile that it is fairly easy to pick plants from a large pool that are all "true to type" so to speak. Trainwreck has be bred with success and with failure depending on who did the work. I've seen good and bad versions of everything on your list...
To me, the only real difference between a massive grow operation with a breeding facility that sorts thousands of plants - because yes, people do that now pretty much regularly - and a small hobby grower - is time.
A large site can get done in a year what it may take a hobby grower 3. I still think it is possible for that hobby grower who is motivated by passion and the plant to achieve better results than the large facility motivated by money. Your individual priorities will by default change what you see as valuable in the plant and therefore dictate to a large degree what phenotypes you isolate and work with.
I'll say this much - the BEST genetics I have ever grown have come from the hands of the hobbyist - not the capitalist.
dank.Frank
The White - for the most part does breed *fairly* "stable" - in the grand scheme of things. She makes a GREAT test plant for males as it is very easy to see what attributes they passed forward when breeding to her.
I find Blueberry lines to be all over the map for the most part. Same is true with many of our modern Chem hybrids and resulting lines. Breed Sour Diesel - eh, good luck - already seen 30 different breeders mess with her and get mediocre results. Every time a Sour D line is made, it's hot for a minute until the first couple thousand plants are sorted and then everyone slowly moves on. OG's have a unique enough growth profile that it is fairly easy to pick plants from a large pool that are all "true to type" so to speak. Trainwreck has be bred with success and with failure depending on who did the work. I've seen good and bad versions of everything on your list...
To me, the only real difference between a massive grow operation with a breeding facility that sorts thousands of plants - because yes, people do that now pretty much regularly - and a small hobby grower - is time.
A large site can get done in a year what it may take a hobby grower 3. I still think it is possible for that hobby grower who is motivated by passion and the plant to achieve better results than the large facility motivated by money. Your individual priorities will by default change what you see as valuable in the plant and therefore dictate to a large degree what phenotypes you isolate and work with.
I'll say this much - the BEST genetics I have ever grown have come from the hands of the hobbyist - not the capitalist.
dank.Frank
Yeah, Otis - Bubba does breed what I'd consider somewhat true for an unknown.
I'll say structure in regards to the flower formation and general plant growth can be very dominating with Bubba...however...smells, taste, yield, resin content, etc - can be all over the map. However, Bubba does tend to pass some purpling to it's offspring...
For example -this is Bubba x ECSD made by MeltingPot:
Out of the 5 seeds I started - all of them were stinky gym socks and much more Bubba in appearance. This one, obviously, influenced by the ECSD. However, smelt - like a berry chocolate wine...nothing like Bubba or Sour D...
Honestly, you just have to work with certain plants enough to KNOW what to expect - that way when you set off on a project you have the ability to pair things intelligently. Mind you, there will be plenty of pairings which are later discovered to be otherwise useless except for making a trendy name pairing...ROFL...
This the book TomHill made me read before he'd even carry on a genetics discussion with me in IC chat:
"Principles of Genetics" by Snustad and Simmons. It's a text book. You'll read it 100x and learn something new every time as your understanding and knowledge deepens.
dank.Frank
I'll say structure in regards to the flower formation and general plant growth can be very dominating with Bubba...however...smells, taste, yield, resin content, etc - can be all over the map. However, Bubba does tend to pass some purpling to it's offspring...
For example -this is Bubba x ECSD made by MeltingPot:
Out of the 5 seeds I started - all of them were stinky gym socks and much more Bubba in appearance. This one, obviously, influenced by the ECSD. However, smelt - like a berry chocolate wine...nothing like Bubba or Sour D...
Honestly, you just have to work with certain plants enough to KNOW what to expect - that way when you set off on a project you have the ability to pair things intelligently. Mind you, there will be plenty of pairings which are later discovered to be otherwise useless except for making a trendy name pairing...ROFL...
This the book TomHill made me read before he'd even carry on a genetics discussion with me in IC chat:
"Principles of Genetics" by Snustad and Simmons. It's a text book. You'll read it 100x and learn something new every time as your understanding and knowledge deepens.
dank.Frank
The first flowering cycle you should always let a plant show it's natural structure, in my personal opinion.
Sometimes, our growing situation doesn't allow for this, I know...but "ideally".
dank.Frank
Sometimes, our growing situation doesn't allow for this, I know...but "ideally".
dank.Frank
oti$
Active member
That sour d x bubba is SEXY! Some people think that bubba is a worked strain because it dominates crosses and s1' s yield plants very similar. Any thoughts on this...any thoughts on this? As I said, I know next to nothing about needing, but theories and questions like this interest me. Now that I've got the growing aspect of cannabis down, breeding is the next logical step for a tinkerer like myself.
