Do Males in grow room produce better females?

[EvergreenState]

I'm in the first week of flower of my Reeferman Harmony and Med Man rks2 grow (See grow diary) and I'm wondering about all of the possible benefits of male plants. Of course we all know that males pollinate females and you don't want to leave the males in the room unless you are doing a seed run but I wonder if maybe we're missing out on what the females could be.
I've always read that the females, when pollinated, put their energy into making seeds and not as much resin is produced as would be the case if they weren't pollinated. I've done seed runs before and after harvesting seeds I've made water hash and also smoked some of the buds from seeded females. I had a notion that it would be fair or OK hash and bud but that it would be of a much lower quality than sensi.
Granted the amount of hash was greatly reduced but some of that reduction is attributed to all of the handling involved in harvesting seeds. Much to my surprise the quality produced was excellent and it had unique qualities to the effects that I hadn't experienced previously.
I'm sure there a many hormonal changes that take place in the plant when the females become pollinated and then produce seeds. I have no doubt that is also the reason the final product, at least in my limited experience with smoking seeded bud and hash, was unique. Could it all have been psychological because I had low expectations for seeded bud? That's entirely possible.
Anyone have any thoughts or want to relate their experience with seeded bud? If you know botany and can explain the changes a plant goes through when it is pollinated and produces seed that would be interesting for me to learn.
Is it simply the fact that the seeded plant is a more natural plant? By that I mean in nature the plants would normally be pollinated and the resin produced would be what you would normally find in nature.

 

[vostok]

Even when I'm not seed making I like to keep a scrawny male around, a small and younger male, that when hes about to discharge his pods ...I then trim him hard down again, keeping his pods alive on stalks and in water, although its very 'human' of me to think like this, I feel its more natural event than to have a room full of screaming demanding females, but if they get a hint of a male around then girls will be girls ...no matter what species they are ...lol and continue to be a lot more competitive together, and the winner, the biggest most desirable plant gets a stalk pollinated, one of the lower ones, like you I have pollinated entire plants, in the past and yes...you do get noticeably less buds.....well you do as they are full of seeds?

look for Marijuana botany by robert clarke
http://www.amazon.com/Marijuana-Botany-Advanced-Propagation-Distinctive/dp/091417178X

 

[stoned-trout]

seeded bud sucks compared to sensi...having males around never made any diff in my grows...yeehaw

 

[Psyco G]

Plants do communicate, however after three generations indoors they stop talking to one and other. I'm sure keeping males around does affect the females in some way, I'm not sure how though.

They showed tobbacco plants produce more nicotine if a neighbouring plant is being attacked, I wonder if there if a trigger to make a female produce more thc

 

[mack 10]

I would say yes, but finding that exact gene or process won't be easy.
Remember to hit me up when you work it out.:O

 

[EvergreenState]

Even when I'm not seed making I like to keep a scrawny male around, a small and younger male, that when hes about to discharge his pods ...I then trim him hard down again, keeping his pods alive on stalks and in water, although its very 'human' of me to think like this, I feel its more natural event than to have a room full of screaming demanding females, but if they get a hint of a male around then girls will be girls ...no matter what species they are ...lol and continue to be a lot more competitive together, and the winner, the biggest most desirable plant gets a stalk pollinated, one of the lower ones, like you I have pollinated entire plants, in the past and yes...you do get noticeably less buds.....well you do as they are full of seeds?


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look for Marijuana botany by robert clarke
http://www.amazon.com/Marijuana-Botany-Advanced-Propagation-Distinctive/dp/091417178X

Thanks Vostok for the tip on the botany book. I like your take on having some male parts in the room and keeping the girls in a flirting mood.
I was reading some info. yesterday on how much plants communicate with each other. Scientists are coming to believe that plants communicate much more than was previously thought. So I think you are on the right track.
Brown Trout to each his own. When I first experienced my own seeded hash and bud, I'm aging myself here by saying I smoked a lot of seeded Mex. back in the 70's so my own wasn't the first time I smoked it, I did a little research and much to my surprise found that DJ Short has said on several occasions that he prefers to smoke seeded bud. I felt like I was in pretty good company.

 

[EvergreenState]

Plants do communicate, however after three generations indoors they stop talking to one and other. I'm sure keeping males around does affect the females in some way, I'm not sure how though.

They showed tobbacco plants produce more nicotine if a neighbouring plant is being attacked, I wonder if there if a trigger to make a female produce more thc

That's interesting that you say after 3 generations indoors they stop communicating. Did you read that or if you have experienced that what made you think that was the case?
I also find it interesting that tobacco plants produce more nicotine when neighboring plants are being attacked. So the plants are sending out signals, the other plants pick up on it and produce more. Makes sense to me.

 

[theother]

I got 99 problems, but getting stoned and forgetting I left a time bomb in the bloom room isn't one of them lol

 

[Hydrosun]

Plants do communicate, however after three generations indoors they stop talking to one and other. I'm sure keeping males around does affect the females in some way, I'm not sure how though.

They showed tobbacco plants produce more nicotine if a neighbouring plant is being attacked, I wonder if there if a trigger to make a female produce more thc

I'll bight.... So I pop beans and everything is great, take clones still great, clone of that cone ok, then clone off of that and my plants are retarded and can't communicate?

What is a generation?

Why retarded at 3 generations instead of 7.1?

 

[EvergreenState]

I would say yes, but finding that exact gene or process won't be easy.
Remember to hit me up when you work it out.:O

Mack I've followed your work and I just have to say up front that I admire the hell out of you. Fantastic work. I don't think I'll be teaching you anything about marijuana growing any time soon.
I think I'd need a lab full of scientists testing many plants over a long period of time in order to isolate exactly how the plants communicate.
I would think a male plant rubbing up against a female plant would cause them both to get their juices flowing. I wouldn't really have any idea on how to prove that. I also don't know if that makes the quality of the resin better or just different. If a person prefers that difference is totally up to that person.
I really enjoyed my seeded bud and hash and so did some other folks who tried it. I'm eager to read the Marijuana botany book to see if the author offers any clues.

 

[Psyco G]

That's interesting that you say after 3 generations indoors they stop communicating. Did you read that or if you have experienced that what made you think that was the case?
I also find it interesting that tobacco plants produce more nicotine when neighboring plants are being attacked. So the plants are sending out signals, the other plants pick up on it and produce more. Makes sense to me.

I've read it, I've seen it proved on TV to. I forget where and when. I remember reading it and thinking that's interesting, then I saw it on TV with tobacco plants and the hawk moth, how if one plant is attacked the others produce a pheromone or somthing. But after being grown indoors after three generations they stopped doing it. Like I said I forget the ins and outs, sorry.

I'm sure I've read about plants that have a certain butterfly lay eggs on there leaves, when it hatches into a caterpillar and eats the plant lets out a pheromone and all the other plants around start to produce little spheres that mimick the eggs of the butterfly. Upon seeing these fake eggs the butterfly won't lay it's own on the plant for fear of competition between its young and the ones already laid. Even though they are fake. Amazing!

Buttercups are interesting due to the fact they produce a weed killer on there flowers that when washed off it goes into the soil and won't allow any other plant to grow, other than buttercups. Some tobbacco strains do this to. I killed my mums tomatos last year due to planting a Amazonian tobbacco plant next to them. They grew all twisted and fucked up, no leaves or stems, just a contorted stump. When we done some research we found out this one tobbacco plant killed off a whole greenhouse full of toms.

 

[Psyco G]

Mack I've followed your work and I just have to say up front that I admire the hell out of you. Fantastic work. I don't think I'll be teaching you anything about marijuana growing any time soon.
I think I'd need a lab full of scientists testing many plants over a long period of time in order to isolate exactly how the plants communicate.
I would think a male plant rubbing up against a female plant would cause them both to get their juices flowing. I wouldn't really have any idea on how to prove that. I also don't know if that makes the quality of the resin better or just different. If a person prefers that difference is totally up to that person.
I really enjoyed my seeded bud and hash and so did some other folks who tried it. I'm eager to read the Marijuana botany book to see if the author offers any clues.

Plants communicate through pheromones I'm sure of it. They don't need to touch each other.

 

[waveguide]

Why retarded at 3 generations instead of 7.1?

isn't "rotten after 3 gens" what they say about dynasties?

lessee you got kang xi would be two (not technically but removed from establishment of qing)... pretty good guy if you're not a concubine.. then yong zheng for three... good emperor but everyone else had forgotten why they were there.. whatshisname qian long would be four and he went a bit precious. fair guideline for being in touch with ones extraction?

 

[EvergreenState]

I don't think anyone is suggesting leaving a male in the room accidentally or somehow forgetting about leaving one there. The question I'm asking is the resin quality of seeded bud better than sensi resin? Since I solely grow for the quality of the high, if that means growing with males in my room and smoking seeded bud, that's what I'll do. I'd really have to prove it to myself beyond a shadow of a doubt though before I went that route. I'm still in the open to the idea but not totally convinced stage of my thinking on this. When I've done seed runs in the past I've really enjoyed the quality of the smoke. I'm simply speculating if that is the "best" way to go and curious about others experience good or bad with seeded bud smoke.
I know the seeded bud is what you would find in nature and maybe the fact that is how nature intended it to be may be best.
You get a lot more resin production out of sensi but more doesn't automatically mean better quality; although that may be the case. I definitely don't know for sure which is better but I do know seeded bud can produce high quality smoke.

 

[EvergreenState]

I didn't think I'd have to clarify this but it appears I do. We are talking about a conscious decision to have males in your room because you want seeds and seeded bud. As we all know if you leave a male in the room you will have seeded bud.
I'm not talking about not identifying males and you accidently get some seeded bud. What I'm suggesting is that seeded bud is something you may want because you like the quality enough that you purposely pollinate your females in order to get seeded bud.
If you do however accidentally get some pollinated bud you may be pleasantly surprised at the quality. I was in a dispensary once when a guy comes in and he starts ranting and raving about the fact that he found a single seed in one of the buds he bought.
He was going off about he'd been ripped off. I had concluded my business there and was just hanging around talking to the guys who worked there. I listened to this guy talk about how the bud was worthless, didn't get him high etc. etc. They gave him a free gram and sent him on his way.
I knew he was full of shit so I followed him outside and started to talk to him. I let him go on about how badly he'd been ripped off and what a shit shop it was; which it isn't by the way. Good guys who sell good product. So when he was done I asked him if I could give him a joint of some bud I'd harvested a couple of months previously that was finally cured. I told him I wanted to get his feedback. Naturally he gladly accepted, I gave him my cell number and told him I looked forward to getting his feedback.
It wasn't two hours later I get a call from this guy who was higher than a fucking kite. He told me how he and his buddy just finished a little more than half of the joint I gave him and he loved it. He was just dyin ' to know what it was and he wanted to buy an oz. of it. I told him I didn't sell but I'd be glad to tell him what it was. I told him it was some seeded Blue Cheese I got from my last seed run. Silence. Then he said there weren't any seeds in that joint and I said of course not I took the seeds out. Then he said that couldn't be true because seeded bud can barely get you high. I said to him that he had just told me he got "High as fuck."
He really didn't know what to say after that except to tell me that I was full of shit and I didn't know what I was talking about. Then I said "Oh ok you're welcome," and hung up.

 

[InGhostgrower]

lmao good story... I respect your quest for knowledge in this area and now you have me wondering?

 

[TNTBudSticker]

More resin from bud plants then the seeded buds.

Only one way to make hash..the right way

 

[siftedunity]

I've read it, I've seen it proved on TV to. I forget where and when. I remember reading it and thinking that's interesting, then I saw it on TV with tobacco plants and the hawk moth, how if one plant is attacked the others produce a pheromone or somthing. But after being grown indoors after three generations they stopped doing it. Like I said I forget the ins and outs, sorry.

I'm sure I've read about plants that have a certain butterfly lay eggs on there leaves, when it hatches into a caterpillar and eats the plant lets out a pheromone and all the other plants around start to produce little spheres that mimick the eggs of the butterfly. Upon seeing these fake eggs the butterfly won't lay it's own on the plant for fear of competition between its young and the ones already laid. Even though they are fake. Amazing!

Buttercups are interesting due to the fact they produce a weed killer on there flowers that when washed off it goes into the soil and won't allow any other plant to grow, other than buttercups. Some tobbacco strains do this to. I killed my mums tomatos last year due to planting a Amazonian tobbacco plant next to them. They grew all twisted and fucked up, no leaves or stems, just a contorted stump. When we done some research we found out this one tobbacco plant killed off a whole greenhouse full of toms.

some flowering plants give off an electrical charge that can signal to a bee or insect if it nectar in it. some of these things are recently being found in science and im sure we have a lot to learn which can help us grow better bud. im gonna leave a male in for a test and see what happens.

its no accident that resin mainly grows on the reproductive part of the plant. im sure seeded bud might sometimes have more resin. never tested it though so im not sure.