Do males carry the hermaphrodite Gene?

[Wrangler1]

Or just females?

 

[Switcher56]

a quick search says both and hence why folks destroy those plants

 

[Thule]

In my experience they don't. Maybe they do carry a tendency for males to throw out a few pistils but I never saw even that happen. A male with pistils won't cause your whole crop to get ruined by seeds and that's why we get rid of hermies right? I'll go out on a limb and say hermie males aren't dangerous. Maybe we need to rethink this?

 

[Switcher56]

In my experience they don't. Maybe they do carry a tendency for males to throw out a few pistils but I never saw even that happen. A male with pistils won't cause your whole crop to get ruined by seeds and that's why we get rid of hermies right? I'll go out on a limb and say hermie males aren't dangerous. Maybe we need to rethink this?

Where I was going with that is (reg seeds) you may have a male with the genetic trait, passed on to a female without that genetic marker, her seeds will also contain the genetic marker from the male. To what % will that trait be in her prodigies, your guess is as good as mine. That is what I have gathered during my short tenure here, and hence why folks say ditch the plant.

 

[Thule]

Where I was going with that is (reg seeds) you may have a male with the genetic trait, passed on to a female without that genetic marker, her seeds will also contain the genetic marker from the male. To what % will that trait be in her prodigies, your guess is as good as mine. That is what I have gathered during my short tenure here, and hence why folks say ditch the plant.

In both cases that I ended up using a male with pistils I got no further male hermies in the resulting seeds. So either it was environmental or just something that doesn't get passed on. One way or the other I will go as far as to say that male hermies have nothing to do with female hermies. I urge people to try it for themselves. I wonder how many reproductions have been ditched because of a hermie male. Maybe it wasn't necessary? I think I'll sprout some of the Philippine sativa seeds that were pollinated by a (late) hermie male. We'll see what happens.

 

[chilliwilli]

I had males that produced pollensack first and after some days few pistills. For me that was a male hermie. I culled them so no way to test their offsprings but i highly belive that this genetics will produce hermies.
interresting would be if the genes for hermies are located at the sex chromosomes. Males are xy and females are xx. If the x carries the genes for hermies a male can pass that to its female offsprings.

 

[chilliwilli]

In both cases that I ended up using a male with pistils I got no further male hermies in the resulting seeds

Thats very interesting. Did u hit the same genetics with the hermie pollen? Crossing with other genetics can cover the hermie tendencies depending on their dominance/recessivity.

my male hermies where kerala chellakutti and thats imo a very inbreed line. There were some deformed leafs in early veg and some plants produced trifoliated nodes.

I hit some kali china with a imo clean kerala male and got some hermies in the female offsprings(culled all males asap) Not sure if the kali china also got some hermie tendencies but the cross was kerala dominant so i think the hermies were from the kerala side.

Getting male hermies in the p2 and hermies from crossing a clean male made me think that both genders from the chellakutti got the hermie tendency and if both sex chromosomes have it u got a male hermie.

 

[Thule]

Thats very interesting. Did u hit the same genetics with the hermie pollen? Crossing with other genetics can cover the hermie tendencies depending on their dominance/recessivity.

my male hermies where kerala chellakutti and thats imo a very inbreed line. There were some deformed leafs in early veg and some plants produced trifoliated nodes.

I hit some kali china with a imo clean kerala male and got some hermies in the female offsprings(culled all males asap) Not sure if the kali china also got some hermie tendencies but the cross was kerala dominant so i think the hermies were from the kerala side.

Getting male hermies in the p2 and hermies from crossing a clean male made me think that both genders from the chellakutti got the hermie tendency and if both sex chromosomes have it u got a male hermie.

I keep getting hermies and late nanas from anything Kerala derived. They don't seem to like being indoors that much.

If I recall I didn't outcross the hermie males. Both times were reproductions of polyhybrids. I just remember there were no intersex plants when I grew out the seeds. I was forced to rethink the dogma.

 

[PolyChucker]

I have crossed one male with 10 different females last summer. I am going through these F3 seeds, I do one mother’s seeds together as a group. One of the moms, most of her kids had herm qualities, male and female offspring. I was worried my male had some part in this, but the next round had no herms, different mom.
I’ll have to do more testing to see how the herms are grouped.
My hunch is that a “male” that makes pistils is actually a female that decided to make pollen early on because there were few males nearby - so it turned male but was actually XX. That relies on another theory that they can somehow detect the ratio of M-F nearby and the ones with the herm genes can switch teams as needed. Last summer I checked preflowers early and made a judgement on sex - had 12 females, 3 males. Two of them that had an upturned cone preflower, but no pistil, turned male - so then it was 10F 5M. I culled these F-M changelings. I think when they look like female preflowers but no pistil this is one type that can switch teams. Then there are true herms with balls and pistils and also stress herm which is usually top cola nanners.
The male that grew pistils, was a tri-leaf, didnt make viable pollen, then all the male pollen flowers started growing pistils - I think it was just a confused female all along.

 

[St. Phatty]

I had a plant herm ... after being frozen at 28 F for about 4 hours.

In that case it was a female plant that hermed. I was trying to squeeze in a spring crop using the 11/13 light cycle in February/ March. Got nailed by the cold.

 

[Switcher56]

I have crossed one male with 10 different females last summer. I am going through these F3 seeds, I do one mother’s seeds together as a group. One of the moms, most of her kids had herm qualities, male and female offspring. I was worried my male had some part in this, but the next round had no herms, different mom.
I’ll have to do more testing to see how the herms are grouped.
My hunch is that a “male” that makes pistils is actually a female that decided to make pollen early on because there were few males nearby - so it turned male but was actually XX. That relies on another theory that they can somehow detect the ratio of M-F nearby and the ones with the herm genes can switch teams as needed. Last summer I checked preflowers early and made a judgement on sex - had 12 females, 3 males. Two of them that had an upturned cone preflower, but no pistil, turned male - so then it was 10F 5M. I culled these F-M changelings. I think when they look like female preflowers but no pistil this is one type that can switch teams. Then there are true herms with balls and pistils and also stress herm which is usually top cola nanners.
The male that grew pistils, was a tri-leaf, didnt make viable pollen, then all the male pollen flowers started growing pistils - I think it was just a confused female all along.

... a switch hitter that doesn't surprise me as mother nature is a funny girl who knows best. Keep up the good work and more importantly keep us posted on future results