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DIY Mighty Wash
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no worries sun... people chase their tails, round and round and round, never catching it as they run their circles. if theyd just sit down, that tail is there for the chewing. make sense?
it has to do with methodology, not a secret pill. forget my disdain for that company, its secrecy & marketing... the 'real' problem is people not understanding the life cycle of these bugs, their tendencies, the dozen or so legitimate/proven/effective products to break the life cycles, nor the proper way to use them. these are not secrets, nor are they voodoo magic, but real practices one can utilize to effectively erricate mites. and if one goes so far as to employ proper protocols, there will be no reintroduction, no further need for additional treatments, no more grief. its pretty simple, though requirea knowledge & effort & discipline... not mighty was every other month, forever more.
better? in my mind, i was saying this originally. ;-)
it has to do with methodology, not a secret pill. forget my disdain for that company, its secrecy & marketing... the 'real' problem is people not understanding the life cycle of these bugs, their tendencies, the dozen or so legitimate/proven/effective products to break the life cycles, nor the proper way to use them. these are not secrets, nor are they voodoo magic, but real practices one can utilize to effectively erricate mites. and if one goes so far as to employ proper protocols, there will be no reintroduction, no further need for additional treatments, no more grief. its pretty simple, though requirea knowledge & effort & discipline... not mighty was every other month, forever more.
better? in my mind, i was saying this originally. ;-)
SunGrown
Member
Thanks for the explanation, and I agree to an extent. I have a degree in hort and of course IPM was part of that schooling. I am far from chasing my tail though. a little respect can go a long way in this life.
However at the scale that I work with, and the mites we have in California, standard IPM doesn't work. You could call neem or dish soap voodoo magic also but in small scale situations they can both work ok to keep mites at bay.
Truth is though, that mighty wash has been the most effective, only avid has ever been as effective. However avid does stay with the finished product and avid is not approved for human consumable crops. There is always a need for preventative treatments, I will have to assume you either have a small room or else do not have the Borg we have here.
When patients tend to put fire to their medicine the chemical structures change and with avid that is bad news! Mighty wash leaves nothing from what we can tell so far thru testing at halent, steep hill, etc...
So the goal is still for me to do my best to replicate mighty wash, have them in a proper lab for analysis then also have halent check two different finished samples and go from there.
However at the scale that I work with, and the mites we have in California, standard IPM doesn't work. You could call neem or dish soap voodoo magic also but in small scale situations they can both work ok to keep mites at bay.
Truth is though, that mighty wash has been the most effective, only avid has ever been as effective. However avid does stay with the finished product and avid is not approved for human consumable crops. There is always a need for preventative treatments, I will have to assume you either have a small room or else do not have the Borg we have here.
When patients tend to put fire to their medicine the chemical structures change and with avid that is bad news! Mighty wash leaves nothing from what we can tell so far thru testing at halent, steep hill, etc...
So the goal is still for me to do my best to replicate mighty wash, have them in a proper lab for analysis then also have halent check two different finished samples and go from there.
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in all sincerity, i have worked commercial ops, the type where otherwise small 'problems' compound to become seemingly unmanageable, even catastrophic. been in situations that were horrible, several. in each situation, the one fundamental problem was a lack of control, and without that, any soluyion one throws at it (no matter how many times), the issues continually reoccur.
the lack of control is tied t scale, as u are aware... too many plants spread over too many subrooms with too many people coming & going, where one also has no real control over what/where those people do/go... their exposures to bugs in particular. they all had personal gardrns, they mostly had issues at those gardens, and went to other gardens... wearing the samr clothes, moving placr to placr each day. the 'owner' used yo just show up with plants even, just brought em all in one day, covered in webs... lol, says hr didnt notice. there is no control, and no one other than yourself will care (or be aware even) of all the exposure risks.
to break a cycle on that level requires concerted effort by all people involved, and that has never happened in the situations i have been around. i havr only ever seen one commercial op that was truly 'clean'... every other plae is always dealing with issues, chasing their tail. and yes, you arr in that samr posion, and you likely wont win as long as you have no control. better facr that fact, even tho it sucks balls.
you absolutely can treat & clean up a 70k op... do it in a week, three to be fucking for sure. if you dont havr control, will be doing it in another 2months, and every two months thereafter. you can put a preventative ipm program in placr to work against total catastrophe & insolvency, but if you cant control exposure, you will always be chasing that tail. you know this with that degree, i know it from experience.
indoors, that is supposed to be golden ticket becausr of control... of all the variables. get that locked up, but good luck... the problem is the other people, and also investmeny dollars. but on scale, you need people, so again, good luck. dont rakr all of this as disrespect... shit man, i sympathize even. but mighty wash? come on man, at 40/gal... has no placr in a commercial spot. avid, floramite, judo... only way to be cost effective, plus that shit works. if you carr about consumer health & havr a conscience... get the fuck out of commercial. if you run on scalr, with all thr exposure & cash on the line, get used yo spraying chems... no way around it, unless you havr absolute control. again, good luck with that. but it can br done, iv seen it.
peace
in all sincerity, i have worked commercial ops, the type where otherwise small 'problems' compound to become seemingly unmanageable, even catastrophic. been in situations that were horrible, several. in each situation, the one fundamental problem was a lack of control, and without that, any soluyion one throws at it (no matter how many times), the issues continually reoccur.
the lack of control is tied t scale, as u are aware... too many plants spread over too many subrooms with too many people coming & going, where one also has no real control over what/where those people do/go... their exposures to bugs in particular. they all had personal gardrns, they mostly had issues at those gardens, and went to other gardens... wearing the samr clothes, moving placr to placr each day. the 'owner' used yo just show up with plants even, just brought em all in one day, covered in webs... lol, says hr didnt notice. there is no control, and no one other than yourself will care (or be aware even) of all the exposure risks.
to break a cycle on that level requires concerted effort by all people involved, and that has never happened in the situations i have been around. i havr only ever seen one commercial op that was truly 'clean'... every other plae is always dealing with issues, chasing their tail. and yes, you arr in that samr posion, and you likely wont win as long as you have no control. better facr that fact, even tho it sucks balls.
you absolutely can treat & clean up a 70k op... do it in a week, three to be fucking for sure. if you dont havr control, will be doing it in another 2months, and every two months thereafter. you can put a preventative ipm program in placr to work against total catastrophe & insolvency, but if you cant control exposure, you will always be chasing that tail. you know this with that degree, i know it from experience.
indoors, that is supposed to be golden ticket becausr of control... of all the variables. get that locked up, but good luck... the problem is the other people, and also investmeny dollars. but on scale, you need people, so again, good luck. dont rakr all of this as disrespect... shit man, i sympathize even. but mighty wash? come on man, at 40/gal... has no placr in a commercial spot. avid, floramite, judo... only way to be cost effective, plus that shit works. if you carr about consumer health & havr a conscience... get the fuck out of commercial. if you run on scalr, with all thr exposure & cash on the line, get used yo spraying chems... no way around it, unless you havr absolute control. again, good luck with that. but it can br done, iv seen it.
peace
It's a possibility they found some inexpensive ionic liquid that dissolves chitin and is considered safe enough that it need not be labeled according to rules governing most pesticides. Just an angle to consider...
SunGrown
Member
MIway, I appreciate the time to reply, but I have not had mite issues at all since using mighty wash. Period. So yes, even on small or large scale it works for me.
If you want to use carcinogens on your "meds", you can. And again, I am not chasing my tail. So please stay out of this thread now since you are not here to help the purpose of this thread.
If you want to use carcinogens on your "meds", you can. And again, I am not chasing my tail. So please stay out of this thread now since you are not here to help the purpose of this thread.
SunGrown
Member
Medicalmj, they may have or it may not be as safe as they claim, I will have to get it into a lab for analysis to be sure. All they have to do is claim proprietary, I believe, and they then do not have to list all contents.
I am going to be setting up a test soon, I just have to do the tests at other peoples rooms where there are active mites.
I appreciate your input and your knowledge with chemistry. Please stick around this thread.
I am going to be setting up a test soon, I just have to do the tests at other peoples rooms where there are active mites.
I appreciate your input and your knowledge with chemistry. Please stick around this thread.
Can not find any results online , not sure how much it would cost for a gas chrom analysis or if traditional lab techniques would define its components cheaper.
There must be a reason to market MW exclusively to canna growers rather than to the multi billion legitimate glasshouse industry and organic producers who would be big users.
Would suggest there is little if any advantage useing MW in a field test , compared to existing cheap licensed soap/surfactant based products already on the market.
Slightly off topic but in a similar vein , this DIY version of Leafcoat is equally effective and very inexpensive compared to the branded version.
SunGrown
Member
Thanks foomar, I will look into that stuff...
I am not positive that mighty wash isn't marketed to other industries, just under a different name. Sunlight supply owns the mighty wash company, and sunlight supply is heavily involved in all hort industry under many sub companies. I still have research to do though.
May be on the regular hort market with a different name and they came up with a brilliant way to re market it to the big money spenders at the shops.
I am not positive that mighty wash isn't marketed to other industries, just under a different name. Sunlight supply owns the mighty wash company, and sunlight supply is heavily involved in all hort industry under many sub companies. I still have research to do though.
May be on the regular hort market with a different name and they came up with a brilliant way to re market it to the big money spenders at the shops.
Thought at first , due to a chain of car wash businesses of the same name , that it might be as simple as fleet cleaner for pressure washers.
If it is already marketed to business under another name , it will be in a concentrate form for the spray volume required.
Any surfactant or solvent will kill any motile insect by suffocation , some do less collateral damage to soft plant tissue and trichs than others , but none i have tried will kill or lift off all the eggs.
If it is already marketed to business under another name , it will be in a concentrate form for the spray volume required.
Any surfactant or solvent will kill any motile insect by suffocation , some do less collateral damage to soft plant tissue and trichs than others , but none i have tried will kill or lift off all the eggs.
fly poster
Member
Very interesting and informative, piqued my curiosity as to what is in it. Given that people have pointed out that it more than suffocates the mites, could it be that as well as a food safe surfactant/wetting agent a simple organic ingredient is doing the damage, such as Rosemary oil? And is MW just a well made version of the following homemade recipe?
-"i believe my spray bottle is around 16oz, and i use 5-10ml of rosemary oil per bottle. I also add just a tiny drop of dish soap, shake it well, then start spraying. After I first started using this mixture, I checked on the mites under my trich scope and it was amazing, they had all died, and the eggs had collapsed in on themselves and turned brown."
-"i believe my spray bottle is around 16oz, and i use 5-10ml of rosemary oil per bottle. I also add just a tiny drop of dish soap, shake it well, then start spraying. After I first started using this mixture, I checked on the mites under my trich scope and it was amazing, they had all died, and the eggs had collapsed in on themselves and turned brown."
While I haven't repeated before, I had a knowledgeable hydro shop owner who said MW contained rosemary along with surfactant. Anyone else hear this too?
Schwarzenbart
Member
I would buy something called fairy blessed yeti piss if it was cheaper and as effective
Where do i find good water alkalizer plans thatwont poison me?
webguy
Active member
I think it works so well cause the pyrethrin penetrates the mites better when delivered in charged water.
https://books.google.com/books?id=IgjeORPkORwC&pg=PA115&lpg=PA115&dq=pyrethrin+positive+charge&source=bl&ots=_-gg4Xck5R&sig=AEXYax72x9_bHnMztCAiByNVAPc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjR2JqZxKHQAhUpxoMKHRVxDb0Q6AEIIzAJ#v=onepage&q=pyrethrin%20positive%20charge&f=true
https://books.google.com/books?id=IgjeORPkORwC&pg=PA115&lpg=PA115&dq=pyrethrin+positive+charge&source=bl&ots=_-gg4Xck5R&sig=AEXYax72x9_bHnMztCAiByNVAPc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjR2JqZxKHQAhUpxoMKHRVxDb0Q6AEIIzAJ#v=onepage&q=pyrethrin%20positive%20charge&f=true
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