DIY Microbial Innoculant for Coco?

[kingape]

Hi!

Have been really impressed by Tribus/Recharge.

Anyway I can DIY it? Since I can't get any of them in my country.

BTW, here's how you can propogate them if you already have some tribus on you

Propagate Mammoth P Samples - Open Salts

opensalts.wikidot.com

 

[Tomatoesonly]

Hi!

Have been really impressed by Tribus/Recharge.

Anyway I can DIY it? Since I can't get any of them in my country.

BTW, here's how you can propogate them if you already have some tribus on you

Propagate Mammoth P Samples - Open Salts

opensalts.wikidot.com

I don't have any good info for ya, but I like that link. Not sure I agree with the order of operation, but the idea is sound.
I always wondered why people keep adding microbes to their media. Is it not primed and going when you do it the first time? Also, you absolutely can GROW a larger batch if you have just a little patience and some easy to find ingredients.

EDIT... you could go find someone who has some good fertile soil that looks like things are doing good, take a small sample and just bubble it out into a much larger batch. I DO NOT know how someone stores bubbled microbes. Everything I can find says you only have a few days at best, but they don't mention if you refrigerate.

 

[kingape]

I don't have any good info for ya, but I like that link. Not sure I agree with the order of operation, but the idea is sound.
I always wondered why people keep adding microbes to their media. Is it not primed and going when you do it the first time? Also, you absolutely can GROW a larger batch if you have just a little patience and some easy to find ingredients.

EDIT... you could go find someone who has some good fertile soil that looks like things are doing good, take a small sample and just bubble it out into a much larger batch. I DO NOT know how someone stores bubbled microbes. Everything I can find says you only have a few days at best, but they don't mention if you refrigera

Couldn't find any discussions online!

I'm going to do a science deep dive to see if I find anything
Opensalts is @BillFarthing

 

[GenghisKush]

Are samples of Mammoth P still a thing that's available anywhere?

 

[kingape]

So Tribus contains

Bacillus subtilis ............................4.0x109 CFU/mL

Bacillus pumilus ...........................4.0x109 CFU/mL

Bacillus amyloliquefaciens..............2.0x1O9 CFU/ml

Dissolvene EDTA - Chelating Agent ( tetrasodium EDTA)

Sodium Benzoate(Preservatives)

Potassium (Preservatives)





I can get all the powders individually.


Should I just mix them together and add water?

 

[B1unt_UK]

Look up "IMO" (Indigenous Micro Organisms), part of the KNF method.

 

[Tomatoesonly]

Very successful inoculants like AZOS, only have ONE single bacteria in them.
Some of this stuff is snake oil for sure.

 

[kingape]

Very successful inoculants like AZOS, only have ONE single bacteria in them.
Some of this stuff is snake oil for sure.

Oh!

Was wondering if I could pass up on Bacillus amyloliquefaciens because of its price

 

[B1unt_UK]

I made a comparison spreadsheet of microbial innoculants...

 

[Tomatoesonly]

Is there any way to download that spreadsheet?

 

[kingape]

Wow!

The pricing on this seems unbelievable!!

I made a comparison spreadsheet of microbial innoculants...

Haha!
Fish shit is funny!

You've listed tribus in cfu/gram when it should be cfu/ml

I was just calculating how much it would cost me to make tribus and it seems that around $100 would make me enough Tribus to water my plants with Tribus everyday for centuries!


The bacterial powders are cheap af and are at the concentration of 10billion CFU/gm at the least.

I think the gross margins on this might be in the range of 15000%

 

[LouDog420]

Just make a beneficial tea. Here's what I use...

- handful of earthworm castings (microorganism biodiversity)
- Oregonism (mycorrhiza)
- Southern Ag Garden Friendly Fungicide (98% bacillus amyloliquefaciens)
- Grandma's molasses

Brew it with airstones or something to get oxygen into the water for 36-48 hours and apply diluted 1:10 - 1:100 depending on if you're fighting an active issue or just maintenance dosage. It costs pennies to brew up a batch

 

[LostTribe]

I used recharge last time thought it helped also mr fulvic running 80/20 coco/perlite with canna line. I havent run organics but might do a couple feeds next time. How often do you water with the benies tea @LouDog420? I got the recharge because I didnt want to have to bubble it.

 

[NucleoSynthesis]

Extreme Gardening Mykos & Azos have never let me down, I usually mix the azos directly into my coco / perlite mix then il add the mykos to the replanting zone before I transplant into the big pots!

Biobizz algamic also seems to add a good boost of microbial activity for cheap

 

[LouDog420]

I used recharge last time thought it helped also mr fulvic running 80/20 coco/perlite with canna line. I havent run organics but might do a couple feeds next time. How often do you water with the benies tea @LouDog420? I got the recharge because I didnt want to have to bubble it.

Weekly if issues, as little as monthly if things are humming...

It's so cheap, no sense not to use it weekly if you have the time and energy

 

[brickweeder]

what is the purpose of adding microbes to coco...isn't coco used with synthetic nutes that are in a form that the plant can immediately use without having to first be converted to usable form by microbes?

 

[kingape]

what is the purpose of adding microbes to coco...isn't coco used with synthetic nutes that are in a form that the plant can immediately use without having to first be converted to usable form by microbes?

True.

But a lot of the microbes have beneficial properties it seems atleast from the pics and evidence posted by growers with products like Tribus/White Shark/Recharge etc

 

[brickweeder]

IC...my short term memory doesn't allow me to keep tabs on with or without beneficial additives on coco grows unless it is a side by side...

 

[Tomatoesonly]

IC...my short term memory doesn't allow me to keep tabs on with or without beneficial additives on coco grows unless it is a side by side...

One of the other things it does it compete for the same place with stuff that wants to harm your plants. Even if they aren't converting any organics to usable nutrients, they can, if fed to keep them alive, take up space and even fight off bad bacteria and fungi.

 

[kingape]

This thread was created to check if anyone has been DiY their enzymes.

It's amazingly easy to do so and you can have a more concentrated/customised product.

- Firstly, if you don't want to pay the canna tax, check for Pond enzymes in your state, there's another thread on IC mag that's years old and that has a lot of info
- All enzyme/microbial products have the concentration of the bacteria they have listed, this is the only active ingredient in most of the products. Concentrations are usually in billion cfu/gram and vary widely amongst products.
- If you're making them yourself, ask the supplier if the bacterial concentration powder is dextrose based as you'll have to dissolve it in water, apart from this you can add minute qty of preservatives and don't forget to add a carbon source like alfalfa tea