dedicated CA MMJ rental space?

[cultiv8t0r]

Hey Guys.

Well, as noted recently in my diary thread, I had to tear down my grow due to my building's management becoming aware of it...they did not care that I was legal under california law as a medical patient.

So, short of moving, which is difficult right now, I am trying to find another space in which I could continue growing.

I know alot of growers rent space for dedicated grow setups, and do not live at the same address that they grow in. I'm really hoping to get some tips on how to make this happen, LEGALLY IN CA.

What types of space do you rent... commercial or residential?

For those that operate legally in California, do you disclose your activities to the owner or keep them under wraps?

How have other tenants reacted to your activity and non-residence at the grow space?

I know this is probably a touchy topic for the obvious security reasons...but I'm hoping to get some tips on this if possible! I'm in the Los Angeles area if that helps.

Thanks.

 

[Sgt Greenbud]

your lanlord does not have to know what you do as long as its legal. Not to mention you have no idea who your landlord might tell. DO NOT TELL HIM or ANYONE. unless they work in your garden, which doesnt sound like an issue. rent a commercial space is my advice. a small warehouse. 1000sq ft. then go to town. if you can't then just get a two bedroom and have a grow room and a momma/baby room.
Other tenants should not be reacting to you as you should be doing nothing to make them react. if you act suspicious then you look guilty already. do it with a smile and tell no one.

 

[Guest]

Perfect situation is find a landlord that smoke's the ganja, and then not tell him, that way if he finds out all you have to do is smoke him out :O well thats what i did last time.

 

[clowntown]

Good luck "going to town" in a 1000sqft commercial warehouse, when you can't even get away with a 10sqft grow in your apartment. The upside is that you'll get much better (commercial) rates without that whole baseline crap from PG&E. Downside is that you'll likely be paying down that PG&E bill from a federal penitentiary.

 

[420inprogress]

DO NOT inform the landlord that you grow. PERIOD.

Because if a landlord finds out that you grow, and does nothing about it, he/she could lose the property to federal forfeiture laws. Thus, landlords have he power to evict tenants who grow medical marijuana.
Reference:
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode21/usc_sec_21_00000881----000-.html

In Raich V Gonzalez (2005), two California medical marijuana patients sued after the DEA raided their private homes and destroyed their medical cannabis. There was no question that the two patients were in serious need of cannabis; doctors testified that one of them was in such excruciating
pain without it that her life was in danger. DEA didn't care. The
Supreme Court held that the Federal law prohibiting cannabis
cultivation could be enforced in California, even in the face of Prop
215 expressly permitting it. So the Feds can still enforce ALL of the
Federal laws against cannabis cultivation, whether you have a State
permit or not.
Reference:
http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/...supremecourtus.gov/opinions/04pdf/03-1454.pdf

 

[cultiv8t0r]

^^^
good info!!

Good luck "going to town" in a 1000sqft commercial warehouse

umm, thanks? wasn't really planning on it.

 

[billbob]

What are your requirements? Would leagal grow in CA mean 6 plants? How much space you need? I agree with the don't tell the landlord in most cases.

 

[cultiv8t0r]

yes, 6 plants...eventually 12 if I become a caregiver for another individual. I really just need, ideally, a 100sq ft room with water and power. and I could make do with a fair amount less space if necessary.

 

[clowntown]

umm, thanks? wasn't really planning on it.

I was just saying what a horrible idea that was, shooting into some 1000sqft warehouse.

 

[cultiv8t0r]

^ heh, yes...this would be a no good, very bad, ill-advised idea.

but for the record, I'm not retarded, I went to great lengths to secure and conceal my grow, and the slip-up that got me caught was more bad luck than anything.

 

[clowntown]

Ugh... didn't mean to sound harsh or rude at all. Just my flavor of sarcasm, if you will, that doesn't translate well to most people over the Internet.

I've seen your other posts and I've seen your setup prior to posting on this thread, and I know that you're plenty capable. At least, way more capable than I am. But to jump into a 1000sqft commercial warehouse space for growing with that much experience and resources is a really bad idea, even if the suggestion might not have been 100% serious.

Commercial rates do definitely kick residential rates' ass, though, after hitting 100% baseline or so. Which you'll likely do running a 1k.

Deregulation sucks balls. But on the same note, I guess I'd rather be able to grow under "decriminalized" or "legal" status with high electric rates than not be able to grow under that status at all.

 

[cultiv8t0r]

^ i hear that! thx man.

 

[clowntown]

While looking at my options after running into a somewhat similar situation at my last residence, one of my options was to rent a house with another MMJ user, and do a co-op grow in a basement or extra bedroom or such. Is that an option for you at all, or can you afford renting out a ghetto studio apartment somewhere that you won't have to live? I have such a space (ghetto studio in Oakland), but I live here too :-(

 

[clowntown]

Check out sites like craigslist.org for uber-cheap studio rentals in "sub-prime locations" (i.e., Compton). I'll bet you can find one cheap, with busted up appliances, duct-taped broken windows, etc. But none of that will matter if you're not planning on living there.

Only thing with this is that you're going to need to shift your focus now from your landlord to your neighbors.... since if they found out, you can probably say bye bye to harvest + maybe your equipment, too.

 

[cultiv8t0r]

oh gawd....I don't think I'd sleep more than 10mins a night with my grow going in a ghetto apt building!! soooo sketchy!!

in my exp, people in the hood hang out on the street and balconies alot and pretty much know everyone's business. plus, there's gang bangers involved. bye-bye to harvest for SURE!! plus, my car is pretty nice and would stick out badly.

however, I'm still all over craigslist working on the idea of a remote location grow...I think the best option for a low-pro rental might just be an office complex...where random and inconsistent appearances at the spot might go unnoticed. cheap office space, artist space, band rehearsal spaces seem like they could work well.

also trying to convince my woman that we should move in with a friend of hers...full size house....problem solved.

 

[cultiv8t0r]

i might just try another run in my current place...in another room and stealthed 10x better. thats definitely the easiest option, if it could work.

 

[clowntown]

What's the worst that could happen, if your landlord did find out? Could / would he evict you? I guess it's a matter of weighing out the risk vs. reward.

Personally, being the naturally stubborn SOB that I am, I'd give it another go... considering the [lack of attractive] alternatives. But that's just me!

I really did like your recirc. setup, and it would be unfortunate to see you running some 150w Rubbermaid grow just because of that one spill!

But maybe the best thing to do for now is to wait it out a little bit, even if he's not the nosey type, just in case he comes back to check up?

 

[cultiv8t0r]

yeap...definitely going to take it slow and let things marinate for a while. I won't start any new cuts until time has passed and this fictional new setup is dialed in and perfect!

it sucks to revise a setup with plants already going.

 

[clowntown]

I guess you have a pretty good idea of how to approach it by now, and I hope all works out well.

If you ever need a QUICK CASH LOAN BY PHONE from a vertically challenged spokesmidget, you know who to call!

Whatchu talkin' bout?

 

[mark6699331]

The feds usually only get involved if you're growing over 99 plants or doing interstate commerce. Both of these instances make it a felony and get them involved. I've personally had a tour given to me of some 1000sq ft medical grows in humboldt here by people who had OK letters from the dea saying it was fine. THey want to make sure you are doing only 6 plants per patient and no more than like 1,000 plants/house.

Having said that, a person doing themselves and another patient should be no problem. I remember a lawyer friend of mine saying that if a landlord doesn't have you sign a relaease saying you won't do 215, then they can't legally evict you for it. It is your legal right.

Most of the people the gov is going for are doing way crazy amounts and are involved in interstate trafficing, or are not paying their taxes, or selling to kids or running a shady co-op.

If you do tell your landlord (i've heard of people doing this with no problems), tell them you'll grow with a NO IMPACT style. No holes in ceiling, no water on carpeting etc. My landlord said that he wants everything exactly as is when I leave.
Best of luck... If you try hard.... It will happen.
mark