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DEA threatens MA doctors in door to door campaign

Stoner4Life

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US Drug Enforcement Administration investigators have visited the homes and offices of Massachusetts physicians involved with medical marijuana dispensaries and delivered an ultimatum: sever all ties to marijuana companies, or relinquish federal licenses to prescribe certain medications, according to several physicians and their attorneys.

The stark choice is necessary, the doctors said they were told, because of friction between federal law, which bans any use of marijuana, and state law, which voters changed in 2012 to allow medical use of the drug.

The DEA’s action has left some doctors, whose livelihoods depend on being able to offer patients pain medications and other drugs, with little option but to resign from the marijuana companies,where some held prominent positions.

The Globe this week identified at least three doctors contacted by DEA investigators, although there may be more.

“Here are your options,” Dr. Samuel Mazza said he was told by Gregory Kelly, a DEA investigator from the agency’s New England Division office. “You either give up your [DEA] license or give up your position on the board . . . or you challenge it in court.”

Mazza, chief executive of Debilitating Medical Conditions Treatment Centers, which won preliminary state approval to open a dispensary in Holyoke, said the DEA investigator’s visit came shortly after state regulators announced the first 20 applicants approved for provisional licenses for medical marijuana dispensaries.

Mazza said he returned from vacation in February to find a DEA business card on the door to his home and several messages on his answering machine urging him to contact the agency immediately.

The quiet DEA crackdown comes even as the US House of Representatives approved a measure last week that would restrict the DEA from raiding medical marijuana operations in states where it is legal. Senate action is pending.

Tensions between federal and state officials have flared as 22 states, including Massachusetts, have legalized medical marijuana, many since 2010.

A spokesman for the DEA in Boston on Wednesday referred calls to agency headquarters in Washington.

A DEA spokeswoman in Washington declined to answer questions Thursday about the doctors’ assertions that they are being asked to choose between their drug prescribing licenses and their ties to dispensaries. The spokeswoman would not say whether the action in Massachusetts is part of a national policy or limited to the state.

Physicians, dentists, and other health care providers who prescribe or administer narcotics and other controlled substances are required to register with the DEA, which tracks use of the drugs and strips federal licenses of those who fraudulently prescribe the medications.

At least two physicians resigned their medical officer positions with planned medical marijuana dispensaries in the past two weeks after visits from the DEA, including Dr. Carl Fulwiler.

The psychiatrist was part of the executive management team of the William Noyes Webster Foundation, which was granted preliminary approval for a dispensary in Dennis, and resigned his position last week, according to a person with direct knowledge of the situation. Fulwiler did not return calls seeking comment.

Another physician who asked that his name not be used for fear of reprisal said two DEA investigators arrived unannounced at his office last month.

“DEA agents can be quite direct when they want to make an impression on you,” the doctor said.

“My terrified secretary asked what to do with them, and I said I’d see them in five minutes after I finished what I was engaged in,” the physician said.

During a polite, 15-minute conversation, one of the officials asked “probing” questions about the dispensary’s proposed operations, while the other furiously took notes, the doctor said.

“The gist was to get me to either relinquish the DEA license, if I insisted on continuing with the dispensary, or give the license up ‘temporarily’ while involved with the dispensary,” he said.

The investigator told the physician that if he gave up his DEA license, he could later apply to have the license reinstated if he no longer was involved with the dispensary. But, the doctor recalled, the investigator said there was no guarantee the license would be restored.

Otherwise, the investigator explained, the doctor could divorce himself from any association with the dispensary.

“I had no choice but to choose the last option,” said the physician, who resigned his position at the dispensary.

Valerio Romano, a Boston attorney who represents several dispensaries, said the DEA’s action may further delay dispensaries from opening.

When state regulators selected companies in January for provisional licenses, they said they expected most would open by this summer. But since then, problems have surfaced, including misrepresentations and conflicts of interest involving several of the companies. State officials have acknowledged they did not check the veracity of the companies’ statements in their applications.

State regulators say they are now conducting extensive background checks of dispensary applicants, and Romano said those checks may be prolonged now that some dispensary companies will be searching for new medical officers to fill positions vacated by physicians who recently resigned.

“In the end, what all of this means is more delay for patients,” Romano said.

Dave Kibbe, a spokesman for the state Department of Public Health, which issues dispensary licenses, said in a statement Thursday that the companies are not required to have medical personnel on their management teams, and that the doctors’ resignations would not cause delays in the state program. But Kibbe said the departures may cause delays for individual dispensaries.

“When registered marijuana dispensaries experience changes in leadership, they are required to notify [the health department],” he said. “Any new [dispensary] personnel must go through a comprehensive background check as part of the department’s standard process.”

Dr. Walter Panis, chief medical officer for Alternative Therapies Group, which was granted preliminary approval by state health officials to open a medical marijuana dispensary in Salem, said he has not been contacted by the DEA, but expressed concern after learning other doctors had been given an ultimatum.

“The dispensaries need good medical information and how else are they going to get it except through physicians that are able to give that information?” said Panis, whose role in the dispensary will be to educate staff about medical marijuana and patient treatment.

Panis, a neurologist, said he needs his DEA license to prescribe certain medications. He said he would consult a lawyer if given an ultimatum by the DEA, but would probably withdraw from the dispensary if forced to make a choice.

“I’d probably resign, but I don’t want to do that,” Panis said. “I wouldn’t want to jeopardize my ability to practice medicine. Practicing medicine is the soul of my life.”

Mazza, the physician associated with the Holyoke dispensary, said that when he returned the DEA’s urgent messages in February, he was put on a speaker phone with three DEA officials.

“You are chairman of an organization that is going to distribute a product that is against federal law,” Mazza said the DEA officials told him.

The DEA investigators were “quite congenial” but adamant, according to Mazza, that he couldn’t keep his DEA license to prescribe controlled substances if he maintained his position at the dispensary.

Even though Mazza has held his DEA license for 40 years, he said it was easier to surrender it than to engage in a legal battle. Mazza, who works part-time for the federal government, performing surgeries at the VA Medical Center in Northampton, said he doesn’t need the DEA license for that job.

“It was easy for me because I really didn’t need the license anymore,” Mazza said. “If I did need the license and was still in private practice as a general surgeon, I’m not sure what I would have done. I probably would have relinquished my position as CEO [of the dispensary].”

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...sicians-say/PHsP0zRlaxXwnDazsohIOL/story.html



so the weed gestapo been busy door knocking, stripping MA dispensaries of their qualified physicians and removing the greatest asset (in the public's eye) for credibility, certainly hampering mmj laws to progress lacking that representation.

Any future physicians willing to sit on any mmj boards would have to be willing to surrender his DEA license and perhaps never be able to attain it again. This will surely result in lesser qualified doctors making up the pool of any available to sit on dispensary boards.


 

stoned-trout

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wow a new low ....I knew it would be a battle in ma. I lived in salem..cool place..winter island road
 

rives

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Oh yeah, Obama's reign has been such an improvement.......

The entire federal government needs to be defunded back to about 1914 levels.
 

Stoner4Life

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wow a new low ....I knew it would be a battle in ma. I lived in salem..cool place..winter island road

that was part of my trucking route, I delivered high end goods up there from NYC, Salem is a cool place. used to love stopping @ the Clam Box in Ipswich on that 1A run too.......
 

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Typical. WTF did anyone think was going to happen when you register to exercise natural right's ? They were going to sit aside and take the loss of their funding ?

And MA was going to stand up to the violation of natural and constitutional law ? They went door to door without warrant's for this fiasco as well.

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Shit ,what happened to the cradle of freedom ?
 

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not that Obama's been much of anything but a liar about mmj, but Michele Leonhart seems to be the biggest obstacle to medicinal cannabis and legalization. Here's part of an article from Forbes:

Jan, 27th 2014

During a speech to a conference of sheriffs in Washington, D.C., last week, Michele Leonhart, head of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), reportedly criticized President Obama for saying marijuana is safer than alcohol. Bristol County, Massachusetts, Sheriff Thomas M. Hodgson gave this account to the Boston Herald:

She’s frustrated for the same reasons we are. She said she felt the administration didn’t understand the science enough to make those statements. She was particularly frustrated with the fact that, according to her, the White House participated in a softball game with a pro-legalization group….But she said her lowest point in 33 years in the DEA was when she learned they’d flown a hemp flag over the Capitol on July 4. The sheriffs were all shocked. This is the first time in 28 years I’ve ever heard anyone in her position be this candid.

Kern County, California, Sheriff Donny Youngblood, president of the Major Counties Sheriffs’ Association, the group Leonhart addressed, confirmed that she “called out Obama for what Youngblood described as ‘irresponsible’ comments that were a ‘big slap in the face’ to cops who have lost their lives keeping drugs off the street.” He said she received a standing ovation.

For Leonhart to describe Obama’s statement as unscientific is pretty rich. Like all of her predecessors, Leonhart has steadfastly refused to reclassify marijuana, which for no rational reason remains on Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act, a category supposedly reserved for drugs with a high potential for abuse that have no accepted medical applications and cannot be used safely, even under medical supervision. In response to questions from Rep. Jared Polis (D-Colo.) in 2012, Leonhart famously declined to say whether marijuana was more or less dangerous than crack, heroin, or methamphetamine (which is actually less restricted), repeating the mantra that “all illegal drugs are bad.” Mmmkay?

Leonhart’s objection to the hemp flag reflects the DEA’s unyielding opposition not only to marijuana itself but to anything associated with it. Although many countries manage to ban marijuana while allowing production of industrial hemp, which is not psychoactive, the DEA has always insisted those two policies cannot coexist, which is why the hemp for that flag had to be imported. The DEA’s fear and loathing of anything it associates with cannabis culture explains its bizarre, lawless attempt to ban all edible hemp products (such as the hemp seeds and hemp oil you can buy at Costco). That anti-hemp crusade was ultimately blocked by a federal appeals court, which said it had no statutory basis, since the Controlled Substances Act specifically excludes hemp seeds from its definition of marijuana.


omfg!!! say it isn't so!!!

a hemp flag flying over the Capitol building??? :faint:
 

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not that Obama's been much of anything but a liar about mmj, but Michele Leonhart seems to be the biggest obstacle to medicinal cannabis and legalization.

Considering the way the rest of this administration works in virtual lockstep, from the IRS to the EPA, I have difficulty believing that Obama-Leonhart is anything but a carefully orchestrated good cop-bad cop drama for the masses. She does serve "at his pleasure", and if he disagreed to any serious extent, he could/would simply replace her.
 

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During National Donut day me and the homies went up to Blazin Aces for KGB. Well needless to say me and the homies are MA Medical and got pulled over by Mass state troopers. They did a illegal search and seizure and took all my meds and my homies then arrested us without reading us our rights. Gave them our cards and doctors recommendation from CannaCare Docs. They said theres no such law. Well went to court and charges were dropped and the best part is the super troopers didnt even show up. So i plan on going to the barracks to get my medicine
 

D. B. Doober

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I'm still waiting to find out how to get a medical card here...I need a doctor's recommendation but don't where to find a doctor that will do it. Then how do I even get my card from the state????????

Implementation of the new law allowing medical marijuanananana here is worse than the Big Dig.
 

D. B. Doober

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During National Donut day me and the homies went up to Blazin Aces for KGB. Well needless to say me and the homies are MA Medical and got pulled over by Mass state troopers. They did a illegal search and seizure and took all my meds and my homies then arrested us without reading us our rights. Gave them our cards and doctors recommendation from CannaCare Docs. They said theres no such law. Well went to court and charges were dropped and the best part is the super troopers didnt even show up. So i plan on going to the barracks to get my medicine

I might have to pick your brain about how to get a recommendation and card in Massachusetts. CannaCare Docs? Where are they? How do you get the card from the state? How much does everything cost? Can you grow? Rock on man. :woohoo:
 

Rob547

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Fuckin pigs, they realize their time of bullying people for weed everywhere is about to come to an end. As a MA resident I've heard more bullshit, drawbacks, complaints, political backdoors/connections and everything else since we voted this shit in years ago. Not to even get into the dispensary vs. caregiver situation. Not one dispensary has yet to open and who knows how long it will be... while all mmj laws are just up in the air with people generally getting around whatever laws and enforcement that would usually be looming.

DEA just needs to give it up already, I thought whoever was in charge already was 'removed'? Fix the scheduling, leave the states alone. rant over


Doober - I believe for now cardholders can grow their own because dispensaries aren't open. I haven't been staying up with it too much lately after they changed the caregiver situation. I have been meaning to look into a card myself. check out: http://forums.massmedmarijuana.com/index.php?act=idx
 

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Oh yeah, Obama's reign has been such an improvement.......

The entire federal government needs to be defunded back to about 1914 levels.

Or they could take that money and you could have a healthcare system that takes care of everybody...like the NHS which was listed as the best system in the world last week.
 

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this is how losers in a war behave, they try to eliminate all enemies
what they actually accomplish is being recruiters for the other side
these tactics are doomed to fail
just like they failed in california, colorado, ...
 

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Oh yeah, Obama's reign has been such an improvement.......

The entire federal government needs to be defunded back to about 1914 levels.

All I know for sure is that it's been smooth sailing around here in CO wrt retail & MMJ. I'm sure Mittens would have made it otherwise. He sure as Hell said he would.

I think it's important to realize that the DEA is a semi-autonomous entity, that the Admin doesn't have a finger in the pie of whatever they may try to pull. It's clear that they're very much at odds with the Admin over marijuana, who are mostly leaving them to stew in their own juices with the new enforcement guidelines. Those guidelines don't really cover this, so the DEA is getting creative, trying to have their way another way, that's all. At what level that creativity is occurring is an open question.

If MA implementation of MMJ is a mess, that's their fault & nobody else's.
 

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Sounds just like a police state to me.
Blaming the victims, nah don't think I can buy that. Politicians with a lack of integrity that don't mind selling out, if they know damn well they will never be held to account, that one I accept .
 

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All I know for sure is that it's been smooth sailing around here in CO wrt retail & MMJ. I'm sure Mittens would have made it otherwise. He sure as Hell said he would.

I think it's important to realize that the DEA is a semi-autonomous entity, that the Admin doesn't have a finger in the pie of whatever they may try to pull. It's clear that they're very much at odds with the Admin over marijuana, who are mostly leaving them to stew in their own juices with the new enforcement guidelines. Those guidelines don't really cover this, so the DEA is getting creative, trying to have their way another way, that's all. At what level that creativity is occurring is an open question.

If MA implementation of MMJ is a mess, that's their fault & nobody else's.

A semi-autonomous department of the DOJ? Yeah, right.

As for the smooth sailing, give them time -

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...m-prosecutors-zeal-in-kettle-falls-5-pot-case
 

Jhhnn

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A semi-autonomous department of the DOJ? Yeah, right.

As for the smooth sailing, give them time -

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...m-prosecutors-zeal-in-kettle-falls-5-pot-case

Ormsby is basically daring Obama to fire him for his very strict interpretation of DoJ guidelines. He found an edge case with the Harveys to push his luck. They were arguably not in compliance with WA MMJ statutes, which has been the rationale for several cases in CA, as well. The fact that WA authorities confiscated some of their plants was proof of that. Duh. They can't defend themselves aganst that charge in state court because it was never made. Catch 22.

US Attorneys have a great deal of latitude, traditionally. Ormsby is using the Harveys as pawns in a greater struggle within the DoJ. It's totally chickenshit, but it's not over 'til it's over, either.

The US Attorney for CO, Walsh, doesn't seem to want to grind that axe, never really has. He's not a game playing chickenshit asshole. Therein lies the difference.

None of that makes what I said about CO any less true, anyway.
 

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wasn't the first flag made of hemp? I know that many early political documents were on hemp paper because it was so much better of a product. maybe that is why LEO hates the Bill of Rights so badly? asswipes...
 

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