Day 58 MMM - Do these trichs look ready

[JWP]

A fair few cones and a shit, shower and shave later......

Do you get what im saying?

You can take a sativa dominant plant, which you would automatically think, would be a nice heady high and let it over mature on the branch. Then let all the trichomes go amber. Then leave it to cure for a few months.
What type of stone do you think you will get then?

You could harvest when all the trichomes are cloudy then water cure so that it’s ready to smoke in a week. Wouldn’t that be a heady stone… as heady as ya can get I would say.

On the flip side you could take an indica dom plant and do the same.

You have this whole scale of types of stone. You can take a heady sativa and a couchy indica and harvest and process at different times and different ways so the stone from the two completely different plants is as close as possible.

What about processing? How does that affect the stone?

As soon as the trichomes are broken off the leaf they are damaged and the oxidization process is accelerated. Reducing the amount of THC and increasing the amount of CBN.

When the hash is pressed the outer layer of trichomes will be sacrificed to create a protective layer to preserve the THC level of the less damaged trichomes inside the block.

How about ISO? Well you dissolve the trichomes so I would say the rate at which the THC is changing to CBN is supper fast.

Med patients who like pot for pain relief and to put them to sleep will choose bud that has higher levels of CNB over others. I think most of them like the knock you on your ass type of stone.

The point of this post is to express my logic about harvesting the way I do.
So I would say the best way to process your bud and preserve the THC would be to:

1. Harvest when all are cloudy. (Amber means the THC has started oxidization and is converting to CBN)
2. Water cure. (Increase the rate the plant material with all its cancer causing carcinogens degenerates while preserving the THC and reducing the oxidization rate)
3. Also cure the water-cured buds as normal in a dry, cool & dark place.

For hash I wouldn’t press it. I’d just store the kif like I do buds in a dry dark place.

That’s just my way. I like to preserve the THC as much as possible.

A med patient on the other hand might let all his trichomes turn amber. He may also like it cured the regular way for a long time. 6 months +. Im sure he would love hash. Pressed, oil, jelly… im sure he loves all that stuff

Yes it’s all up to you. You can’t just say “are my trichomes ready?” You control the type of stone you get. You can tweak it any way you like.

 

[JWP]

Mate you could have 1 strain in your closet and get a whole range of types of stones by harvesting and processing different ways

Then you have THCV that you will find high levels of in mostly African and Asian strains.
Think of alcohol. You have a shot and you might follow it with something smooth, a chaser. THCV is like the chaser. It will speed up the affects & intensity but unlike alcahol which will leave you sloshed for longer the THCV will make you come down sooner.

So if you want a stone that will smash you fast & hard try some African strains.

 

[JWP]

When you harvest could be affecting your whole life!

When you harvest could be affecting your whole life!

Take Johnny Smith. He buys his buds from a friend. His friend gets it from a commercial grower. The buds are indica dom, harvested late and have been in bags for 6 months. But Johnny doesn’t know that.

If you have any understanding of what I have been saying you would realize that:

1. Indica has higher amounts of CBD and lower amounts of THC
2. The CBN level will be higher because of the late harvest and the long cure.

Johnny is a heavy smoker. 1 gram a day at least. All he does is smoke, lay around, eat & sleep.

He isn’t lazy. He doesn’t have depression. He doesn’t have chronic fatigue syndrome… The only thing wrong with Johnny is the bud he is smoking.

If Johnny grew his own pot and harvested sativas while cloudy & water cured he would be a happy silly stoned all day every day. He might start going out more and get his ass off the lounge. Would probably be more active loose some weight and get more sex!

 

[HempKat]

And i thought i would only need 2 varieties in my closet

I wasn't aware that high THC and CBD (at the same time) existed.. so far i though that white rhino was one of the relatively strongest CBD strain (on wich i may be wrong) and couchlock ! and those story about alleles (not sure to orthograph it ok) ...

Which strain would be strong in both CBD and THC, sounds pretty intersting (or is it just for hash from mixed alleles ?)

I don't know which strains favor CBD's but I have heard it said amongst the reveg community that they find their revegged plants higher in CBD's then when grown from seed. I've never revegged myself though so I can't confirm. I remember one person specifically citing revegging as being responsible for raising the CBD's in a strain he was growing that he found it effective for back and joint pain.

Edit: After reading the rest of JWP's break down he's pretty much spot on in everything else so I must amend what I said earlier by saying where I said CBD's I should have said CBN's I was quoting something from memory and well....the stuff I grow has alot of THC so there's this memory thing going on

 

[JWP]

One way would be to forget the CBD, CBN and everything else for a min and look for the strains with the most THC.
Say S.AG.E from THSeeds. %21 THC or Serious seeds White Russian. That’s up in the 20’s aswell.
But still the results may be different if the buds had cured for a while. Im sure a fresh sample and a well-cured sample will have substantially different results.

I would loveeeeeeee to see a project where IC takes the top ranking 10 strains and we have them all grown so that the harvest is at the same time and have them all tested.

Then we would really see who is who in the zoo

 

[HempKat]

The way I see it there is no real debate on how to get what you want eith heady or couchlock, just harvest earlier or later. The thing is and to pick up on the rather odd signal quoted from cervantes "nature man" what he meant I believe is that thing we each look for as growers that says to us the plant is ready. Sounds like Jorge wisely knew that people vary widely on how to do things since we each favor things according to what works for us. I mean come on, what's this nature man signal from the plant? Isn't that just a careful way of saying whatever signs you look for? Or do people really experience some vulcan like mind meld with their plants that I've been missing out on? Me personally I only experience that mystical stuff when I smoke it not when I grow it

The bottomline on the correct time to harvest that's going to count on three things, your wants, the growing environment and the strain. What this means is that when growing a new strain, you need to be able to sample it at different stages to determine which high most suits your needs. Once you got that then that's the correct time to harvest. Use whatever gauge you like, be it the outward growth patterns or the up close trich exam or a mixture of both. That's just the bread crumbs to help you find your way back.

 

[HempKat]

One way would be to forget the CBD, CBN and everything else for a min and look for the strains with the most THC.
Say S.AG.E from THSeeds. %21 THC or Serious seeds White Russian. That’s up in the 20’s aswell.
But still the results may be different if the buds had cured for a while. Im sure a fresh sample and a well-cured sample will have substantially different results.

I would loveeeeeeee to see a project where IC takes the top ranking 10 strains and we have them all grown so that the harvest is at the same time and have them all tested.

Then we would really see who is who in the zoo

It would certainly make for a fun 4/20 Cup event