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Day 10 since cracked soil... Normal?
- Thread starter Dan42nepa
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They look ok. The curling leaves are probably a mild form of zinc deficiency. Soil might be staying too wet. They look too wet in the picture. You want to keep them in those pots another couple weeks before transplanting. Just because you see roots at the bottom of the pot does not mean they are root bound.
Obvious solution is the seedlings need fert with micros containing zinc; if zinc is in your soil, check these other reasons...
Other possible reasons:
>too wet
>too cold
>too much phosphorus
>too much alkaline earth metals especially magnesium; too much dol. lime
>too much copper
>too much iron
>ph too high; test soil ph using directions in my signature
>rootbound
Obvious solution is the seedlings need fert with micros containing zinc; if zinc is in your soil, check these other reasons...
Other possible reasons:
>too wet
>too cold
>too much phosphorus
>too much alkaline earth metals especially magnesium; too much dol. lime
>too much copper
>too much iron
>ph too high; test soil ph using directions in my signature
>rootbound
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Thanks... Its only happening on two plants and the soil is the same. Temps in the closet range between 70-80 and I have a fan blowing on them at all times. The 400 W metal halite bulb seems to dry the soil out quickly... its dry 2 inches down before i water.
Do you think I should transplant directly into the 5 gal pots and can i wait 2 weeks?
Do you think I should transplant directly into the 5 gal pots and can i wait 2 weeks?
CaptJamesTKirk
Active member
awwwww GEEEZ TIME TO TRANSPLANT????
R u high?
Give them a chance - -your more likely to luv them to death. Remember that.
you are overwatering - guaranteed! - that's the leaf curl.
if they are not about to start drooping - they ain't thirsty
No 2 inches to it,,,, ya gotta let the roots dry or they get soggy. To me - this is the first and most important lesson to the indoor grower. Think of roots like toes - if they are in wet stagnant shoes all the time - - foot rot
Same for roots.
Lift that pot - if it's heavy - it's wet
This one is about 3 weeks and I won't think about transplanting for a week or two - or three
Now - -with paitenance,,,,
R u high?
Give them a chance - -your more likely to luv them to death. Remember that.
you are overwatering - guaranteed! - that's the leaf curl.
if they are not about to start drooping - they ain't thirsty
No 2 inches to it,,,, ya gotta let the roots dry or they get soggy. To me - this is the first and most important lesson to the indoor grower. Think of roots like toes - if they are in wet stagnant shoes all the time - - foot rot
Same for roots.
Lift that pot - if it's heavy - it's wet
This one is about 3 weeks and I won't think about transplanting for a week or two - or three
Now - -with paitenance,,,,
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CaptJamesTKirk
Active member
Seed starts have that tap root - it needs to be encouraged to go outwards not down.
I start in really small containers - 10 oz styro cups poke a couple holes with a coat hanger
presto
when it needs water every other day - then transplant - by then it goes into a 20 Oz then 2 gal and sometimes 3 gal. - after flowering- it's ALL roots, no holes, no spaces and needing water every other day.
I start in really small containers - 10 oz styro cups poke a couple holes with a coat hanger
presto
when it needs water every other day - then transplant - by then it goes into a 20 Oz then 2 gal and sometimes 3 gal. - after flowering- it's ALL roots, no holes, no spaces and needing water every other day.
G
Guest
Big disadvantage going from those small containers to 5 gallon pots,you want to transplant to 1 or 2 gal.,then your 5 gal to flower.Most indica's flower fine in 3 gal but if yo're going to veg a long time 5 is OK.You dont want too small a plant in that big 5 gallon container,the roots will tend to grow along the sides leaving a big empty space in the middle.Then theres the issue of how much and how often to water,easily determined if you have the plant in the correct sized container for its size.Sproutco is right I'd go another 10 day to 2 weeks in those containers before potting up.You want the soil to go through a wet/dry cycle,keeping the soil wet all the time or too dry will result in no uptake of nutes.You basically have a small window there when the roots are oxygenated and not too wet or dry when uptake of nutes takes place,if you dont do it this way you can starve your plant
G
Guest
You didnt give very much info to make a good recommendation. Strain, soil, watering habits. As for the plants at day 10 they could be normal for whatever strain that is. I dont go much more than 14-17 days in 1qt pots, so I would recommend transplant real soon if you see the feelers pop out the bottom.
These are Sour Bubble and Blue Moon Rocks at day 15, Just transplanted into 2 gal pots.
These are Sour Bubble and Blue Moon Rocks at day 15, Just transplanted into 2 gal pots.
CaptJamesTKirk
Active member
It's my soap dammit and I'l rub it how I wana.
I tried your way son, and failed miserably - so has Skelator and severl others that have posted. maybe you know something we don't or didn't. - do what ya want, buy why do you ask for advice and then ignore it?
now where's my soap at????
engine room --- engage.
I tried your way son, and failed miserably - so has Skelator and severl others that have posted. maybe you know something we don't or didn't. - do what ya want, buy why do you ask for advice and then ignore it?
now where's my soap at????
engine room --- engage.
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they are northern lights.. organic soil under 400 W MH lights about 20 inches from the bulb. Good point about the potting. I have 3 gallon buckets so maybe in a few weeks I will try grow bags since I am sick of buying pots.. I just bought 5 gallon buckets last night but the root explanation makes sense. I am curious about my soil. I have never found anyone who has used it before. Its called master nursery gardeners gold organic. I am hoping it has all the base nutrients in it so I dont have to add anything to flower. Its description is:
All natural rich blend of Fir bark fines, forest humus, sphagnum peat moss, perlite, worm castings chicken manure, bat guano, kelp meal and pH balanced to 6.5 with oyster shell and dolomites limes. For use in all indoor/outdoor potting containers and raised bed applications.
All natural rich blend of Fir bark fines, forest humus, sphagnum peat moss, perlite, worm castings chicken manure, bat guano, kelp meal and pH balanced to 6.5 with oyster shell and dolomites limes. For use in all indoor/outdoor potting containers and raised bed applications.
Cap.... Hey I listen to everyone especially since apparently I dont know what I am doing.. I WAS overwatering... I did the 2 inch test because I read about that on here.. but it was dry every day.
I have read gone thru every thread on this this forum, it took several days. I wasnt disregaring you.. in fact it makes perfect sense.
I have read gone thru every thread on this this forum, it took several days. I wasnt disregaring you.. in fact it makes perfect sense.
G
Guest
Well the soil sounds just fine. The light is excellant. If you can find a smaller grow bag than 3 gallon for the first transplant, that would be better. Save the 5 gallon for final transplant. Get a good breeze on top of those plants.
Also use 20% perlite addition to that soil when transplanting. I add Blood Meal, Bone Meal, and Dolomite Lime in my soil for first and final transplant also. Be careful and dont overdue it with those additives.
The plants look fine right now, but handle the plants gently during transplant and expect real good things to happen fast.
Also use 20% perlite addition to that soil when transplanting. I add Blood Meal, Bone Meal, and Dolomite Lime in my soil for first and final transplant also. Be careful and dont overdue it with those additives.
The plants look fine right now, but handle the plants gently during transplant and expect real good things to happen fast.
tiktok420
Member
Dan42nepa,
I have used the exact same Master Nursery soil you are using. Its great for mature plants but don't use them on seedlings it burns them. However I noticed your seedlings seem to be ok so don't listen to me unless you start seeing problems. I tried using this soil on seedlings and they almost died, I think I had used 50% perlite in this soil. I went and got some fox farm light warrior mix to transplant my seedlings into and this stuff is awesome. It does not burn and drains really well. It has zero ferts so I control completely how much the seedlings receive. But don't listen to me I am only on my second grow and my first failed because all my plants turned out to be males.
Good luck
I have used the exact same Master Nursery soil you are using. Its great for mature plants but don't use them on seedlings it burns them. However I noticed your seedlings seem to be ok so don't listen to me unless you start seeing problems. I tried using this soil on seedlings and they almost died, I think I had used 50% perlite in this soil. I went and got some fox farm light warrior mix to transplant my seedlings into and this stuff is awesome. It does not burn and drains really well. It has zero ferts so I control completely how much the seedlings receive. But don't listen to me I am only on my second grow and my first failed because all my plants turned out to be males.
Good luck
