David Grusch - Real Deal UFOs In Gov Possession?

[igrowone]

time for a little speculation on the current NJ 'drone' situation
for one thing, no f'ing way these things are drones
if they're drones(human operated variety) then the USA has been effectively defeated militarily
they're alarming but not hostile like all other UFO 'outbreaks' in history
eventually this one will run its course like the others
but this time the military is going to get a grilling like it's not had in a long time

 

[Shua1991]

Dude, please, I live in new york and have seen these drones before, they aren't aliens.

The government would love to do shit like this to get more funding under trumpm


Stop being a useful idiot.


Google "war of the world's" phenomenon. Don't give into hysterical nonsense.

 

[igrowone]

Dude, please, I love in new york and have seen these drones before, they aren't aliens.

The government would love to do shit like this to get more funding under trumpm


Stop being a useful idiot.


Google "war of the world's" phenomenon. Don't give into hysterical nonsense.

bring us one of these drones after you shoot it down
or an acceptable substitute would be the American military taking one down
and if the military remains AWOL on this, I suspect some private ventures might attempt the deed

 

[H e d g e]

Dude, please, I live in new york and have seen these drones before, they aren't aliens.

The government would love to do shit like this to get more funding under trumpm


Stop being a useful idiot.


Google "war of the world's" phenomenon. Don't give into hysterical nonsense.

Congratulations on being one of the few that are not afflicted with the ongoing mass formation, staged events like these are necessary to maintain the hypnosis.
I agree with everything you’ve added to this thread and appreciate your efforts but calling people idiots isn’t going to snap them out of it.

Uplifting weed interferes with hypnosis, I’m sharing it about.
Important to describe it as hypnosis, not psychosis. It’s both, but people respond better to the word hypnosis.

 

[igrowone]

Congratulations on being one of the few that are not afflicted with the ongoing mass formation, staged events like these are necessary to maintain the hypnosis.
I agree with everything you’ve added to this thread and appreciate your efforts but calling people idiots isn’t going to snap them out of it.

Uplifting weed interferes with hypnosis, I’m sharing it about.
Important to describe it as hypnosis, not psychosis. It’s both, but people respond better to the word hypnosis.

if it's hypnosis what is the suggestion?
please explain the purpose to an old slow witted white boy
I see nothing here that is helping government do anything

 

[H e d g e]

if it's hypnosis what is the suggestion?
please explain the purpose to an old slow witted white boy
I see nothing here that is helping government do anything

Hey I don’t want no trouble mr
Ok, not my specialty but there’s a clinical psychiatrist that might be better to explain the phenomenon, he wrote a book about mass formation hypnosis with reference to the ongoing chaos we’ve all endured.

Problem is that if under the influence of it people will go out of their way to avoid or dismiss anything that questions their current perceived reality so I’m not sure anyone will have their minds changed or would even be willing to find out more about it but for what it’s worth this is an interview with the author..

 

[igrowone]

Hey I don’t want no trouble mr
Ok, not my specialty but there’s a clinical psychiatrist that might be better to explain the phenomenon, he wrote a book about mass formation hypnosis with reference to the ongoing chaos we’ve all endured.
Problem is that if under the influence of it people will go out of their way to dismiss anything that questions their current perceived reality so I’m not sure anyone will have their minds changed or even be willing to find out more about it but for what it’s worth this is an interview with the author..

no trouble seen here, just curious about different points of view
I'm not dismissing the power of suggestion, but that doesn't quite match the government conspiracy narrative
I suppose government could fake this, however the value is not visible

 

[H e d g e]

no trouble seen here, just curious about different points of view
I'm not dismissing the power of suggestion, but that doesn't quite match the government conspiracy narrative
I suppose government could fake this, however the value is not visible

I’m really not the best person to try to explain it, mass formation can happen spontaneously in a population or can be deliberately engineered but in order to maintain it for any length of time you need ongoing events like this, it’s about redirecting anxiety but more to it than that, much more complicated than I could properly explain in a post. The video is very interesting and explains the method and motivation better than I could.
Let me know what you think if you watch it, I’d be interested to know what others think about it.

 

[igrowone]

I’m really not the best person to try to explain it, mass formation can happen spontaneously in a population or can be deliberately engineered but in order to maintain it for any length of time you need ongoing events like this, it’s about redirecting anxiety but more to it than that, much more complicated than I could properly explain in a post. The video is very interesting and explains the method and motivation better than I could.
Let me know what you think if you watch it, I’d be interested what others think about it.

hell I'll gladly concede it's possible, it's not the method but the goal that is of interest
the goal is government is getting some(more) control over the population
I just don't see that with this situation, show me the secret plans

 

[H e d g e]

hell I'll gladly concede it's possible, it's not the method but the goal that is of interest
the goal is government is getting some(more) control over the population
I just don't see that with this situation, show me the secret plans

Watching the video might give you a different perspective on not just this event but others leading up to it, how and why they’re connected, and what the objective is behind what otherwise appear to be isolated incidents.
His perspective on the situation is as horrifying as it is refreshing, interesting to hear him speak about historical parallels and where he predicts it will go from here, particularly the way we change our attitudes towards each other and those with different opinions to our own.

 

[igrowone]

the 'drone' swarm of 55(or so) looks to have been following a coast guard ship
which does place it in an historical context and a track record of behavior
these 'drone' incidents showed a phenomena that remains unidentified and impervious to military attempts to repel them
which implies a similar result in the NJ outbreak
they will remain unidentified and unaffected by counter measures
this time though they're not out in distant seas, a more vigorous public inquiry seems likely

Coast Guard Ship Stalked By Unidentified Aircraft, Iran Drone Mothership Claim Shot Down By DoD

While a credible national security issue appears to be unfolding in New Jersey, erroneous drone reports are being peddled, fueling hysteria.

www.twz.com

 

[H e d g e]

the 'drone' swarm of 55(or so) looks to have been following a coast guard ship
which does place it in an historical context and a track record of behavior
these 'drone' incidents showed a phenomena that remains unidentified and impervious to military attempts to repel them
which implies a similar result in the NJ outbreak
they will remain unidentified and unaffected by counter measures
this time though they're not out in distant seas, a more vigorous public inquiry seems likely

Coast Guard Ship Stalked By Unidentified Aircraft, Iran Drone Mothership Claim Shot Down By DoD

While a credible national security issue appears to be unfolding in New Jersey, erroneous drone reports are being peddled, fueling hysteria.

www.twz.com

Fuelling hysteria if this technology ever becomes commercially available I reckon it could easily fuel a small off grid grow. Could probably boil water for coffee too, I want one.
I thought it was weird when they decommissioned all the tornadoes here, figured if these are now obsolete wtf are they using instead?

 

[Lehmi]

the 'drone' swarm of 55(or so) looks to have been following a coast guard ship
which does place it in an historical context and a track record of behavior
these 'drone' incidents showed a phenomena that remains unidentified and impervious to military attempts to repel them
which implies a similar result in the NJ outbreak
they will remain unidentified and unaffected by counter measures
this time though they're not out in distant seas, a more vigorous public inquiry seems likely

Coast Guard Ship Stalked By Unidentified Aircraft, Iran Drone Mothership Claim Shot Down By DoD

While a credible national security issue appears to be unfolding in New Jersey, erroneous drone reports are being peddled, fueling hysteria.

www.twz.com

Thank you for this detailed summary of press and administration releases!

I find the respective backgrounds to the flight areas very informative.
Especially that most of the videos and sightings can be explained conventionally. It also fills me with confidence that the military are quite capable of taking standard drones and their pilots out of service.

However, in the case of the unknown drones, they openly admit they don't know what they are and further investigations are underway.

The mainstream media are certainly pleased about the welcome sensationalism.

We would do well not to respond to their excitement and scaremongering. If the drones were dangerous for the population, this would have been known long ago.

At this point in time, it is clear that we are being fooled in a strange way, there is no direct danger, but it is clearly shown that our best means of defense do not work with these UAPs.

 

[igrowone]

At this point in time, it is clear that we are being fooled in a strange way, there is no direct danger, but it is clearly shown that our best means of defense do not work with these UAPs.

this can't be some low grade amateur op - no way
and I suspect that government does have some additional knowledge which is why they know there is no danger
though I hadn't considered government could be the source, think it's unlikely
but to be open minded, government could do this but to what purpose? don't see it

 

[xtsho]

I can't believe all the conspiracy nonsense. Iranian motherships, too funny. They're some damn drones. The technology has existed for a long time. Someone's flying some long range drones at night. Probably testing some new AI enables drones. You'll likely see them for sale on Amazon in a couple months.

As far as some "swarm" trailing a Coast Guard vessel, that came from some maga whacko on FOX that said he heard from undisclosed sources... Not credible. The Coast Guard however, has confirmed that multiple drones were observed flying in the "vicinity" of one of their vessels near Island Beach State Park but there has been no reference to 55 drones following a vessel except from some guy that claims he heard it from another guy.

People are too quick to just perpetuate rumors, repeat unsubstantiated claims and embrace some conspiracy. Many don't bother to look at the actual information available, analyze it, and use critical thinking skills. They read something on social media, they take it as fact, they repeat it with a little embellishment, and before you know it a 3 inch minnow is a world record halibut.

A good portion of what people are reading about and posting is just speculation or outright made up on purpose.

 

[igrowone]

I can't believe all the conspiracy nonsense. Iranian motherships, too funny. They're some damn drones. The technology has existed for a long time. Someone's flying some long range drones at night. Probably testing some new AI enables drones. You'll likely see them for sale on Amazon in a couple months.

As far as some "swarm" trailing a Coast Guard vessel, that came from some maga whacko on FOX that said he heard from undisclosed sources... Not credible. The Coast Guard however, has confirmed that multiple drones were observed flying in the "vicinity" of one of their vessels near Island Beach State Park but there has been no reference to 55 drones following a vessel except from some guy that claims he heard it from another guy.

People are too quick to just perpetuate rumors, repeat unsubstantiated claims and embrace some conspiracy. Many don't bother to look at the actual information available, analyze it, and use critical thinking skills. They read something on social media, they take it as fact, they repeat it with a little embellishment, and before you know it a 3 inch minnow is a world record halibut.

A good portion of what people are reading about and posting is just speculation or outright made up on purpose.

no question these situations lead to a synergy of a sort between individual sightings
but there looks to be some core of oddness
something? nothing? who can say for sure
but when the government reps come out and say 'we don't know what they are', that's a public humiliation
so I think something odd is down there

 

[H e d g e]

I thought it was more of a worry when birds were dropping out of the sky than drones, whole murmurations of starlings simultaneously crashing into open fields, in India they were filling skips with migratory birds crash landing into lakes and breaking their necks.
No need to investigate the cause, they know already what happened, probably still got the receipt.

 

[xtsho]

no question these situations lead to a synergy of a sort between individual sightings
but there looks to be some core of oddness
something? nothing? who can say for sure
but when the government reps come out and say 'we don't know what they are', that's a public humiliation
so I think something odd is down there

Or the government knows exactly what they are but they just aren't saying. Where better to test surveillance drones than a populated area?

 

[H e d g e]

Or the government knows exactly what they are but they just aren't saying. Where better to test surveillance drones than a populated area?

They don’t look like they’re designed for surveillance.
We have satellites and mobile phones for that.

 

[xtsho]

They don’t look like they’re designed for surveillance.
We have satellites and mobile phones for that.

Satellites are good for some types of surveillance but tracking a vehicle in a populated area is much different. A drone is a perfect tool for doing just that. There shouldn't be any doubt that drones are being used for surveillance by entities like the FBI, Homeland Security, etc... Maybe someone's watching a high level drug dealer, arms trafficker, or even suspected terrorists. It could also be some hobbyist just having fun. You can buy long range drones off the shelf. Maybe some videographer is gathering some nighttime footage. Those are plausible scenario's. An Iranian mothership off the coast launching drones over New Jersey is not.

Drones have been flying at night taking aerial footage for years. It's all over youtube.