Cyber Police

[Iffy]

I think loads of us have heard about the 'black' web and all the nefarious things that are facilitated by the web's amazing capabilities. It was a shock to me however when I heard about 'The Silk Path'?? (I think that's what it was called) It ran on custom software that allowed you access to the network. There was no www.address but if you had it, the (criminal) world was your oyster! It offered contacts for services ranging from global transportation of arms & narcotics to contract murder!
It was brought down recently by security services, who found the bloke behind it all.
The reason I'm posting this, is that the 'cyber police' were able to penetrate his database to obtain the evidence and even now, will not release HOW they achieved it. Does this mean that 'they' can access anyone's database??
Worrying times.
Stay safe people & happy growing

 

[pappy masonjar]

The 'company' or whatever was under his real name. He's not exactly a genius.

he got arrested, while on his labtop at the san fransico public library. cocky bastard

and thrres a good chance the guy that got popped, the "ring leader". Isnt really the ring leader.

Plus, that site didnt sell drugs. It connected buyers and sellers, and percipated the deals.

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

The US government has been quite happy to lump drug trafficking and terrorism together. The NSA shares data with with narcotics investigators. The NSA has US encryption software companies place back doors into their encryption software to allow the feds easy access. The NSA has records of everything you've done on the web or telephone, including all credit card transactions. They have access to anything you have in servers held by U.S. businesses. If your computer is connected to the web, the NSA can get inside and look around.

It's reasonable to assume that the story being told about the take down of Silk Road is one made for public consumption. The feds are trying to keep the lid on their abilities by having investigators use the data provided from spying to wrap things up, then use that info to backtrack and construct a false story of how they broke the case.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5995041&postcount=60


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[floralheart]

Don't answer this, it's rhetorical, but... how the hell do you get to the 'black' web?

Is it an official portal type of place(s). Or anything that's dark and out there?

 

[pappy masonjar]

You really dont want an answer? its simple really. And yes, its an actual "place" on the internet, if you will.

and btw, the silk road didnt offer contracted murders. They didnt even mess with guns. Mostly pot, research chemicals, other drugs, computer hacking services, forged documents, fake i.d.'s, etc. Victimless stuff for the most part. There are other sites like it though, that offer other, more sinister stuff. And again, these sites dont sell anything, just take a % of the deal. So, i guess they sold piece of mind, and a "smooth" transaction.

Rabbit- that maybe true about the NSA, but do you think they have the time to look at all that info? They have to focus on just the extremely large fish.

 

[Gon Trawling]

Just assume that the US govt has the ability to know everything you do on the web, including emails sent and received, sites you look at, stuff you post, everything, because its probably true.
In spite of whatever precuations you take including tor, proxies etc.
But unless you get on their radar they probably wont bother looking at you; that guy who ran SR had an article about his drug dealing business featured in Forbes magazine, an Establishment magazine. Can't get more on the radar than that.
Sounds like the US govt agencies had a huge amount of internet data stored which they were able to search and cross reference to look for certain references and patterns.
While they call it the "darkweb" it's not underground, it's out there for anyone in the world to see. Maybe dealers should stick with the traditional model of remaining hidden, rather than broadcasting what they do all over the internet, and providing LE with extra evidence they can use to track and convict them.
Glad I don't have anything to do with drugs.

 

[maryjaneismyfre]

" They have to focus on just the extremely large fish."

Yeah just like Hitler put only the big jews into concentration camps..

Sorry, already how many millions worldwide have been imprisoned for drugs since Anslingers' illegal cultural imposition? Imprisoned for actions which is the victims right if their choice, under international law. Just for the sake of social control, industrial and medical profits.
BTW the nsa doesn't need time. Just a big PC to do it for them..So what can you do? Fuck em, those who want to trade should do it in the open as it their right and if they did and realised how many of them there are and how few coppers proportionately there are they would just tell the 'authorities' to get fucked. People should take the time to read the UN declaration of human rights and their respective countries constitutions and realize that the global acts of legislation removing personal choice of medicine are criminal. Seizing funds from drug trade is theft and the silk road was only allowed to continue for so long to allow the coffers to fill up nicely before the American gestapo came and stole the cash and got the data they needed. Its all a racket that the gestapo used as a honey pot while allowing the admins to think that they were in the shadow while the powers have night vision.. If it is online it is all recorded, one must accept it. What one must not accept is that to act in a way that is not harming others, is wrong. Especially as the idea is propagated by those that make a living from industies that directly harm us. Plain logic.

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

Rabbit- that maybe true about the NSA, but do you think they have the time to look at all that info? They have to focus on just the extremely large fish.

That is your best defense, be baitfish. They want the traffickers moving lots of money. Of course those who post their drug use on You Tube are another story. If there's a quarter laying on the ground at your feet it's worth the effort to pick it up. It's the nail that sticks up that gets the hammer.

It is very fortuitous that the legalization movement in the US has reached the tipping point just ahead of the use of this spying technology. Had they applied this ten years ago, or had Romney won, it might turn out differently.

A big point that Snowden made which has been overlooked is, "What is the US government going to be like in five, ten years? They'll have on file everything about you. It's a simple computer operation to create a list of a target group. Do you really trust whoever controls the reins of power years from now to protect your rights?

We are in a low level civil war right now. The shooting just hasn't started yet. Look at what's going on right now. The keyboard constitutional scholars always rant about how we need a revolution to take back out rights, but it seldom works out as planned. Once things fall into chaos there's no predicting who will emerge on top. And it's often for the worse.

National Public Radio has been running a series this week on internet privacy. There are an amazing number of companies who work to glean everything they can about you from your internet use. They gave the example of using a computer dating service. These businesses charge other companies for access to that data. An internet security specialist went through the motions of filling out the questionnaire online while using software that allowed him to see how many other operators were accessing that data. When he came to the question, "Do you use drugs", he clicked yes. I think there were thirty different companies that got that information. Maybe one or more of those companies sells data to LEO.

The NSA contracts out to corporations to do their spying. Snowden wasn't an NSA employee. He worked for a private contractor. Do you trust a private corporation with this data? Every time you leave an IC Mag page directly to a Google page there is a record made.

With the spying abilities now, your religious beliefs and your political beliefs are no longer secret. Click "like" on a comment and it can be traced back to you. What websites do you visit to get your news? That tells a lot about you.

In many of the comment sections for articles about NSA spying, so many people say that they have nothing to hide and have no problem with the government knowing everything. And every once in a while someone who lived in eastern Europe under the Soviet Union logs on to say, "You just don't understand."

whoa, a bit of a rant there. sorry

 

[pappy masonjar]

Somebody posted this on another website. Its about this incident, in response to people getting all paranoid about the technology used at SR.

"have we not learnt anything though? the problem was never the technology, the technology works. the problem is human behaviour and as they have shown they can use human behaviour to get anything they need"

The technology isnt what got this guy caught. It was his stupidness that did him in.

And not only do i think the government doesnt have the time/resources/desire to bust all the little fish, but they dont have the jail space. The holacaust was different, they didnt need jail space. Just a big oven. Totally different. I see why you made the analogy, but i disagree.

and "if its online it is all recorded". True, but if its encrypted, it doesnt matter. Its just recorded jibberish if you dont have the key. You must not be very familiar with ToR.

 

[maryjaneismyfre]

Hitler was just a puppet fired up on meth.. Those pulling the strings still do and there is no known depth to their depravity. The only defence is to 'get up and stand up for..' as one said.. If people don't, the dividing and conquering will continue as it has for so long.

The internet is run on redundant military technology and they do not need backdoors i'm sure.. It must be a joke to sit at the top while the rest of the world runs on your hand-me-down technology and you can manipulate and voyeur at will. One can't fear being watched and be on the internet, it is there for all to see. Hence no more FOAF and that crap, cuz its a F-joke, I did it and its my right so fuck off. If we all did that, a lot more than the drug war would be over, peacefully, as there would be no-one to man their supercomputers and no-one to go and make arrests and no-one to go and throw bullets at foreigners and steal their wealth for them. They would have to do it themselves and can't, a few hundred or whatnot can't suppress billions of people without sheep to do it for them.

It all stops when the masses stop sending their sons off to die or serve for someone else or a piece of cloth and it all stops when we start reserving our rights afforded to us under international law.

 

[maryjaneismyfre]

I'm here on icmag to show anyone who's watching or care that I grow dope, including the NSA.. Because there is nothing wrong with it, in fact it is right. My Right. Its like me growing turtles or crabs or fish. If I want to do it, and if I'm not harming anyone or the environment, its my right. The same cannot be said for many 'legitimate' industries, the majority in fact.. It makes one think about right and wrong..

The belief and acceptance that my personal rights can so easily be nullified by bullshit 'law' is the very same belief that allows the world to be the fucked up place it is today. And it stops right there.. when people stand up together and say no, it is not right. No, not at all, not in one little bit.

If the nail stands up it gets nailed, if it stands up on its own.

 

[Weird]

let me break it down for you all since I have been in IT for a very very very long time

any time there are human components there is a Achilles heels and good hackers know it including the FBI

now go back because I posted that the FBI had planted male ware that attacks TOR to reveal user identity. The weakness here si the user on the client side. You might be prudent computer user but how about the others on the network you share?

don't need too many people to sing to fuck shit up

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/...ved-in-Silk-Road-226387671.html?tab=video&c=y

here is a vendor who got busted because the FBI hacked the human component in the TOR anonymity circle

The bust or DPR is another example of the human component

be smart be safe and preferably do things mano e mano the way we did before the internet

 

[Gon Trawling]

There is speculation that when SR suffered a DDOS attack earlier this year it was the NSA who did it to monitor the exit nodes so they could pinpoint the server.

 

[Weird]

one of the most famous old school hackers used to jump in dumpsters to find passwords written on paper

its not much different than how inmates in prison come up with ways to do things that you wouldn't think possible

thinking outside the box everyone else is thinking in

 

[Gon Trawling]

Can't have been much of a hacker if he had to resort to doing that.
Julian Assange hacked into the Pentagon and the Dept.of Defence from his bedroom using a dial up modem, by writing a program that bombarded the network with 40 000 passwords a second.

 

[supermanlives]

for like the hundredth time FUCK em, your laws are unjust on mj and I am gonna grow till I croak.free da weed. even tho I am small and state legal even when I wasn't I didn't loose any sleep and when I push the limits here I don't worry either. they aint in my head like that. fly your drones do your spying I aint worried mutherfuckers. the rest of yall can peep out your windows like a crackhead an worry. homie don't play that

 

[babelfish]

one of the most famous old school hackers used to jump in dumpsters to find passwords written on paper

its not much different than how inmates in prison come up with ways to do things that you wouldn't think possible

thinking outside the box everyone else is thinking in

social engineering is a crazy effective technique period. its used to this day.

 

[Gon Trawling]

Just saw on telly a number of vendors in Europe got busted today as a result of the SR bust, and they also got some buyers as well.
Can't beleive they are starting SR up as SRv2; and they don't know yet how leo busted SR, although leo was able to find the server in another country and have physical access to it.
For all they know leo has a backdoor into TOR, and it's only a matte of time.
They are taking on the big boys, the FBI, NSA, Homeland Security and the rest, and they are stupid if they can think they can win.
There will be more busts coming, and I would say within 2 or 3 years the darkweb will cease to exist.

 

[supermanlives]

srv2 could def be a trap. I wont be visiting

 

[babelfish]

Just saw on telly a number of vendors in Europe got busted today as a result of the SR bust, and they also got some buyers as well.
Can't beleive they are starting SR up as SRv2; and they don't know yet how leo busted SR, although leo was able to find the server in another country and have physical access to it.
For all they know leo has a backdoor into TOR, and it's only a matte of time.
They are taking on the big boys, the FBI, NSA, Homeland Security and the rest, and they are stupid if they can think they can win.
There will be more busts coming, and I would say within 2 or 3 years the darkweb will cease to exist.

No. it will never not exist, just eventually you will not be able to find it.

srv2 could def be a trap. I wont be visiting

Very good idea short term. Even if the site's not a trap, there's a good chance there will be seeded in some LEO doing transactions.



Here, let me give you an example of a REAL dark web - milnet. and don't cha know it it links to the real internet on some of those 'unroutable' ip addresses, and a few routable. and goddamit LEO you know this is common knowledge, leave me alone

The facts are the intelligence community would fall apart without things like tor, ssl, secret entrances and exits. THE REAL SPY DATA NEEDS TO HIDE. and guess what? THEY NEED EXCUSES FOR WHAT THEY DO - no threat, little power.

An intranet is just a collection of networking devices (local to each other) that are connected, and have agreed on a way to move information around.

An internet is a collection of these intranets with an agreed upon (not necessarily the same way) method of moving information (packets) around.

There is not one internet. There are not two. There are many.
And, a few pieces of consumer long range wifi equipment are all that's needed for a mesh network. Sure, streaming video or heavy audio wouldn't be the same, not for several generations of hardware, but it would only take a few million of these devices to have something like a 95% coverage. yes, thats a lot of devices and a lot of money, but just like an ISP does backhaul on landlines for the cell phone data in zillions of areas, you could also connect mesh's with various vpn techniques. (makes all of the hops in between invisible, since its a [theoretically] highly encrypted tunnel).

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/08/mesh-internet-privacy-nsa-isp

Now, if everyone can use it, so can the government, so the fight would again continue on another platform. if any platform gained major traction, it would be regulated like all of the others before it - be sure of that. And, really, to be truly secure you would physically meet someone, exchange crypto keys, and never communicate with a single packet that's not been encrypted.

This still cannot address the fact that your communication target can be compromised by force or other means. Force: a situation designed to intimidate using physical or mental techniques, or combination of both. 'if you don't unlock then we will _______'. Alternatively, if the secrets for the keys are easy to guess, a nation state level entity might capture that person's online and offline data and crack their passwords, etc.

This, is in fact how government tends to 'crack' encrypted files/drives most of the time. They don't break a damn good key - they put that person's whole life into computers along with the data and use this for the starting points. the data sets are still VERY large, but compared to _ANYTHING_ huge is still tiny.

How can huge be tiny? Earth is huge. HUGE. compared to the sun its tiny.

But the biggest key, is the same thing 'the government' depends on. people. Someone has to BECOME the government. See, they are NOT really separate. They are you. You are they. It's just that these types of entities (along with virtually all others) tend to overreach overstep and basically become crappier and crappier over time till there's some sort of revolution.

In america we've managed to do this without major civil war for quite some time. There are still some boneheads that seem to think that 3(+++) trillion dollars is an acceptable price for a war. Imagine if that was put into education. Shoot. That's 10 billion Chromebooks (with tax) - more than enough for everyone on the planet. It's only 2.1 trillion to put one in every person in the world's hands. More than enough to include a solar charger with each. That might actually give humanity a fighting chance to find all those Einsteins and Newtons (read geniuses) we miss by the barrel full. And probably enough left over to feed those who can't actually afford it for a year or two.

Yeah, there's big game afoot.