Current test run - preflower (true) herms and virgin seeds opininons wanted

[Sunfire]

First off id like to apologize for not posting this in the breeders lab but I just registered and it wont let me post there...any suggestions why?

There's much id like to say so ill try to keep it short and sweet

I've been growing indoor and outdoor for nine years now. I've always loved experimenting and trying new strains. Ive done some amateur breeding and have friends who have as well. I wanted to create a seed stock of quick finishing strains to use for some outdoor seed experiments I want to do. I did some research and decided to go big and ordered up 14 strains. I've been working on this project since october and it's been tough. Im at week 3 1/2 now in flower and I've noticed 3 of the 4 BOG genetics showed true herms at the preflowers. I've seen full on male balls at the preflower sites before but never a true herm and I know its been said on here that its rare. Im sure it's not environmental for as I said I have a decent amount of experience. There's no light leaks, they Arnt root bound. It was maybe a little warm in there the first week and they might have had a little too much nitrogen as two strains showed a little curl on only a few plants.

First will be my rant...I've spent a small fortune on seeds over the years and have many friends who have as well. I have read many heated debates on forums about breeding practices and techniques and I know BOG has been warned about back crossing too much. IF these traits ARE genetic I would be even more concerned for my fellow man. Pollen from preflower herms is very viable and starts dropping in the second and third week and can wreak havoc! I've dealt with it indoor and outdoor in the past. Luckily im not depending on this run for anything however now my ladies are making seed and not showing me they're true potential. Id feel sorry for anyone who this would happen to. I know breeding is hard work and I respect you BOG, im not talking smack, just reporting my findings as I feel the people AND you should know.

Now my questions

#1 im positive this is genetic as I have 11 other strains in the same room that Arnt doing it. Half the bog bubble, two bogglegum, and one lifesaver are doing it and there's 6-7 of each strain that made it to the flower room. Its a shame too because these strains are flowering the hardest and are nice and frosty already but not the most frosty in the room. You did well with those aspects BOG! So im trying to make a small stock for outdoor experiments and have dealt with preflower herms before and I can't take the risk! So do I drop the strains all together because the trait is in the gene pool collectively? Or do I select one that didn't as a parent and carry on? I think I want to drop them all together but would like some opinions please.

#2 has anyone ever seen "virgin" seeds? Idk what else to call them and I can't find anything with the forum search engine. They are seeds that form with no calyx and have both silia (pistils) attached to it at the tip. They are very odd and I have seen it before when there was no pollen in site but they don't look like they have been pollinated because the two hairs are bright white and standing tall. One of my nurse jacky's is doing it and I was curious. I can take a pic when they get bigger. They Arnt viable seeds and don't get that big. Was just curious if anyone knows what this is.

I have read much on many forums but never as much as this one. I thank you all. I finally decided to join the community and give back. I will be posting a few threads about experiments I've done and designs I've created in topics I've read debates on controversy on this forum. Also if anyone wants any follow up on these strains im running id be glad to report back in.

And now a few pics of the herm flowers progressing. The only camera I have is the phone so they Arnt that good.ok nevermind its not going to be easy with the phone. Ill have to get to a real computer apparently. Ill post them if anybody wants but im sure you all know what they look like. Thanks again!

 

[Sunfire]

...nobody?

 

[Sunfire]

Super old noob breeding thread, perfecr!

 

[Sunfire]

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[stihgnobevoli]

hey.
#1. if you have the space or time i would try a test cross with the ones that didn't hermie and save some of the hermy beans. grow out the next generation of each and see if the hermy traits passed.

2.) i got a couple from my last 2-3 runs. first time i decided to keep plants that showed hermy traits. all 3 show hermy indications sometime during flower. 1 throws visible balls on a couple nodes during the first 2 weeks of flower. then it's fine. the other 2 only throw nanners later in life. i stress all my plants to the max. these ones, at least 2 of the 3 for certain seem to be triggered by too much nitrogen which causes them to start reveg. at this point they seem to be torn between bud production and sexing, hence the male pollen. i only ever see the actual male flowers on one, during the beginning of flower. another i found nanners in a bud after harvest. the 3rd i never actually see any pollen or nanners. i just find these magic seeds in the bud. they grow right at the very tip and don't have a calyx on them. just the seed and the pistils like you said.

this what you mean right?

most of the time it's just premature seeds. they are no bigger than grains of sand, i was gonna attempt a germination but i lost them lol. this is the first time i've gotten real seed out of these "internal hermies" as i call it. they produce the pollen deep inside where you can't see any signs and it can't escape and they pollinate themselves.
this pic is an S1 feminized, the other 2 strains i mentioned are 1 an outdoor (east coast diesel) cross bred for early finish, and #2, a random bagseed i found that was from some good local outdro.

BSK #2
found another pic for ya. this one is the bagseed.

oh yeah i remembered something now...i'm high. i kept the seeds which i presumed to be S1's. i also made seeds on purpose on the same plant. the magic seeds i dubbed S1.
anyway i popped 7 and 4 were dudes 3 were girls. under further stress the boys all showed pistils eventually. the girls stayed girls i believe. i'll have to go over my notes again. might have gotten more magic seeds on one. but no actual pollen. i run multiple plants at once i would know if something strayed. so test the next generation, genes reorder themselves with each crossing. the moms to these plants wasn't anything to write home about but the offspring besides leaning heavy female in these S1 seeds anyway, havent tested the M/F side of the cross i did yet. they actually have sort of spread out the traits in the mom so i could see them better like what you should expect in an f2. this one is lemony, this one is woody, this one is both together like the mom but more frosty and stronger. etc. in the bagseed i tested the plants were all over the place like an f2/f4+ generation with lots of variation. even plants that looked identical in the beginning finished wildly different, and plants that stunk up the place in veg turned into trash by the end of flower. i made a test crossing of those plants and i'm currently testing 2 of the offspring of one of the 4 females i had. so far they are uniform and both girls and stinky like the dad. time will tell how much they were inbred and what possible generation this is.

just because you find trash in this generation doesn't mean you can't stabilize the good stuff in the next generation.