Curious on how many switched back

[DrFever]

yo MED yes i average 1180 dry grams per 1000 watt now in scrog style grows
and yes i did 1.58 2000 watt 72 plants afgan kush vegged 5 weeks before but in reality 72 plant grow is FED TIME and with new laws mandatory jail times 5 - 10 with out parole so what would you do ???? a fucking child molester would get less time.
So if that wasn't the case i still be doing them grows and probably killing it by adding another 1000 or a few bottom line i posted pictures of my claims Have you ?? geez dude ... figured with them numbers you claim you be living high on the Hog or not lol
you must be busted huh ??? can's afford even a 50 dollar camera ?? there cheap now hell i think most phones have a Camera ..
Owe yea i forgot your new to the site with almost 500 posts looks like you live on here obviously you probably unemployed maybe you should spent more time looking for a job rather then trolling

 

[Miraculous Meds]

yo MED yes i average 1180 dry grams per 1000 watt now in scrog style grows
and yes i did 1.58 2000 watt 72 plants afgan kush vegged 5 weeks before but in reality 72 plant grow is FED TIME and with new laws mandatory jail times 5 - 10 with out parole so what would you do ???? a fucking child molester would get less time.
So if that wasn't the case i still be doing them grows and probably killing it by adding another 1000 or a few bottom line i posted pictures of my claims Have you ?? geez dude ... figured with them numbers you claim you be living high on the Hog or not lol
you must be busted huh ??? can's afford even a 50 dollar camera ?? there cheap now hell i think most phones have a Camera ..
Owe yea i forgot your new to the site with almost 500 posts looks like you live on here obviously you probably unemployed maybe you should spent more time looking for a job rather then trolling

I explained all that, u just don't listen. This is my last post here cause Ive called u out on every single thing u said that was incorrect about vert. good luck with ur grows sir.

 

[siftedunity]

Ive wrote how I do it to the detail. If u look thru my posts, prob is its just not that interesting without pics. I get that, but im new to the site and if u took the time to look thru my posts, ud see im covering my bases on security, and looking into cameras. If u knew about vert and read my posts u would know, that I know what im talking about. But sir, ive got nothing to prove to u or anybody. When I chose to show my shit it will be because I want to share and help, and get help. cause that's the way I got where I am.

dr fever makes claims about how there is no advantage to vert, and hes entitled to his opinion. But so am I. and I just respond to what he says that doesn't make any sense. For petes sake, the guy has never done vert. how would he know. Then he spouts out these avg numbers that he created that mean nothing. To find out info to learn that's fine, but that is not what this thread is. Its a place for him to argue his point of view.

yes I understand you have nothing to prove to me but im open minded to try another method to yield more. the problem I find with the vert method is that I don't see most people yielding any more than me and others here growing horizontal. so im hardly gonna change my set up because of a people people protesting how good it is. if people were vegging 4 weeks from clone then killing it using vert and beating my numbers id switch in a heartbeat.
the only vert grows ive seen that id like to try, is big rooms with trees and multiple lights. I can see that being much more productive than five plants doughnut around a bare bulb.

 

[rives]

MM, you are new enough around here that you apparently don't know that Doc should be a pro bass fisherman considering his aptitude for trolling. He would argue with a telephone pole, and they would be roughly matched. Even if he inadvertently slips a couple of facts in, they invariably get lost in his sentence structure.

Consider yourself warned.

 

[Maj.Cottonmouth]

Hey MM I tried out the new camera and I like it a lot so far. I posted a video and some pics I shot with it in my thread, I linked the post below. I am not a photographer by any means and I shot the pics using the automatic mode. I don't like that you can't manually set the white balance using a white card but there a lot of choices and some customizability. I shot the video using the Incandescent white balance setting and I think it looks pretty good. I wish I had some buds to shoot but that will not be for a few more weeks.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6550160&postcount=30

Here is the album the pictures are in, I named them all Sony RX100II

https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=55004

 

[bluhazy]

this is a huge waste of server space, silly.
Peace BH

 

[papaduc]

Ive wrote how I do it to the detail.

Let's just call a spade a spade...

Yes Dr.Fever can be an annoyance. My arguments with him in the defoliation thread prove that I think he can be a pain in the arse... But you're here, talking to us nobheads who are willing to post pictures and show you our grows, but you will not share the same privilege with us.

Instead you're talking about security risks, despite everyone trying to assure you that it's ok to post here on ICMag or us idiots wouldn't be doing it... while fighting fire with fire by equaling whatever bullshit he says about vertical growing by saying the same about horizontal.

Some of the things you're saying about vertical growing are not true and sound like theory rather than result.

People like Dr.fever don't piss me off that much tbh, because what you see is what you get. But with you we see nothing except a lot of words.

I await you showing me and the rest of us you grows, or maybe you'll be like everyone else who talks a big talk about their 1.5gpw grows but never shows them, and skulks off into the darkness to return under a new username some time in the future or on another forum where maybe he won't be called out.

Whatever bullshit Dr.Fever has brought to this thread, you have matched it, just in a completely different way.

Either get a camera and show us what you do, or keep arguing with DF in here... I know you don't care if people think your claims are bullshit.. but I don't care if you don't care about my opinion, I'll still say it. Your claims are, until you can back them up, nothing more than empty words on a screen.

If I were you, sitting on 1.5gpw 2 plant grows... I'd be spending my time getting my security fears allayed by people who know the answers to the questions you might have, then getting my ass firmly onto proving people like Dr.Fever wrong... It's been nearly a week now, and you still haven't done it. Either get it on, or leave the thread.

 

[DrFever]

MM, you are new enough around here that you apparently don't know that Doc should be a pro bass fisherman considering his aptitude for trolling. He would argue with a telephone pole, and they would be roughly matched. Even if he inadvertently slips a couple of facts in, they invariably get lost in his sentence structure.

Consider yourself warned.

Coming from a person that claims in this picture this is 12 oz + hahaha Your words ring hollow there buddy..... You should stick to your 10 watt LED street light technology and possibly read up why they are a waste of time.
It sounds like you came in here trolling.. If you got no input to put in this thread why are you here ???




That has got to be the first for someone claiming a person trolling his own thread hahaha
Rives this thread like it says was wanting to know if anyone went back to horizontal started by me and Yes it appears it started going from that to to vertical vs Horizontal in yield,
Which is not a bad thing really truth is coming out and its being shown that its not out yielding Horizontal by any means and its just another way of growing

IMO vertical or horizontal nothing can beat the SCROG METHOD from small trained plants to trees i personally think SCROG will kill all styles of grow including sogs where your only trimming top 1/4 of plant if your lucky with 1000 or 12000 watts
No matter which way its time and effort a person puts in his grow right

Here is Rives 12 oz plus plants Go figure

 

[Grow4Flow]

this is some silly stupid ass shit!

DF,
if Rives pic you posted doesn't look like 12oz (which it could very possibly be), can we see what 1180 grams looks like under a single 1kw?

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[twist1uc]

For fuck's sake, can someone please lock this thread already?

 

[rives]

Yo, dickhead - you keep dragging this shit from thread to thread because you got your tender little feelings hurt after I stated the obvious up above. But, once again, I didn't say that was 12 oz's - you did. I said that a typical grow under that fixture, in a scrog format and with 3-4 plants, yielded an average of 12+ ounces. That picture is of 2 plants that were LST'd.

More of your typical trolling bullshit.

 

[DrFever]

this is some silly stupid ass shit!

DF,
if Rives pic you posted doesn't look like 12oz (which it could very possibly be), can we see what 1180 grams looks like under a single 1kw?

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Sure i can strain is pure power plant here is one grow 2 plants under 1k 1180 dry grams
Look at the bud on 5 gallon pail not bad huh 2160 dry grams 1.18 GPW

 

[DrFever]

Another grow

 

[DrFever]

And another

 

[Miraculous Meds]

No arguments here fever just a real question.

this thread is going on a month and a half, and 17 pages.

How many have switched back?

 

[DrFever]

Well i know of one even tho he has not posted in here ???? and pab i think who has done vert has gone back to Hor IMO i think its the situation some growers are in????? meaning space so vertical is suiting them better in a tent or what ever
i threw up this post just to get some feed back, if any had .
Seems not to many actually have or do not wish to post this does not mean vertical is the answer
As for myself i want to find the best way to get the best possible yields with out a doubt
lets agree to disagree that both Vertical and horizontal can give you great yields as well terrible yields
trust me i looked at going vertical just to give it a try and only reason i have not is cause of some numbers i am seeing it does not justify me to go that route ..
So instead that is why i am going to try this PPK to see if i can get better yields as i pretty much hit the bench mark of my strain i can't seem to get any better http://www.buydutchseeds.com/pure-power-plant-marijuana-seeds
from 700 - 800 grams per m2 to what i am hitting now 1180
Also will be running from seed http://www.barneysfarm.com/?l=&i=248 critical kush in ppk style 20 gallon mediums so 2 plants ppp and 2 plants critical kush i got some pretty neat stuff planned for my build and adding few extra things might be over kill who knows so got 2 of these done will once all my holes are cut and everything is set up with some flood and drain runs makin sure my drain set up actually drains will plastic weld both containers together and it will be one complete unit with 5 wick set ups as well as actual flood to drain mods so medium actually gets flooded properly and drained
Some other mods for this container is actual of 02 injection pulsed bubbler like a one liter pepsi bottle half full of water or just a pepsi bottle with holes in it wrapped in nylon i get free co2 and oxygen cylinders so might as well try 02 injection 23 gallon plant res 60 gallon main res for 4 plants

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Maybe 2 people. and I understand the variables of why people might not post or their particular situation might require vert.

But all that aside u made this thread to see how many went back, and I think the answer seems quite conclusive.

It was ur study and the numbers are in.

take it for what it is.

good luck on that ppk, they are great. I run vert donut ppks, scrog, works good for me.

 

[papaduc]

There's nothing conclusive about this thread other than one thing - That the difference between the two styles in terms of productivity is at best inconclusive.

Btw Dr.F, I haven't gone back to horizontal... with the right strain, vertical can be better than horizontal.

My whole argument since the beginning is that the claims made on the opening pages and the sticky of this forum, are, IMHO, wrong. To say vertical offers yields horizontal can't compete with is just flat out misleading because it omits so many factors which can make the exact opposite to be true, I could expand on that but I would only be repeating myself and I had to say, as someone who does both methods, I would not give the edge to vertical growing.

In a lot of situations horizontal wins, because it's an easier guarantee of yield and quality with a good compromise on plant numbers and veg time in those situations.

I'll tell you why I think this.

A couple of years back I moved my grow to a different location. I'd always done horizontal but I had an idea of what I know now is referred to as a stadium grow. That idea quickly turned into a vertical and I went from there.

Long story short I threw up some plants and in the end, they turned out great. I looked at them and, as a flat grower, I thought shit... this yield is fucking miserable... I was expecting to get about 12oz from the 600..

As a grower that you make estimates in your head when you look in on your room and after a while you can become quite accurate at it. But with these long branches hanging to dry, I couldn't picture anything on them.... I was fucking gutted.

But... when they were fully dry and I got the scales out..

every little side bud was hitting the scales and knocking them up by about 2g.. right the way up the stem, and the top buds obviously more.. by the end of the branch I'd b on nearly an oz... I got 6oz off that plant alone and I did a gpw.. just over I think

I did nothing with that plant other than separate it's branches and spread it across.. No pinching training etc..

It showed me the potential for vert. So I went all vert.

Now, fast forward to a different grow. This time with a different strain and a change in situation. I had a more branchy strain which required more maintenance. The workload was more but the yield was still decent. I got about 0.8 or thereabouts... but I worked for it. I never really considered going back to horizontal just because of the work, because I was determined I could do better with this strain and maximise the potential and get results like I did with the last one. The last one wasn't a keeper quality smoke so despite it's perfect fit for the vert setup, it never was kept..

That next grow I had some personal problems. Some shit happened with family and my head wasn't on maintaining and training my weed plants. I had other priorities and training and stuff is a labor of love and if your head's not in it you're not doing what you're supposed to do.

Those plants were watered every single day and the nutes they got were never off. That bit I still did. They were in perfect healthy right til the end, but never managed and maintained like they should have been in terms of training.

My yield from that grow was what put into perspective for me the whole entire argument and why certain situations make either method better suited for your personal grow and your approach to growing.

The variables are not always about the plants, you know..

I got 11 oz from each light... 11oz

I've never had a yield like that.

Ever.

In a situation like that, walk away from the grow, or be unable to maintain it... and watch vertical growing fuck you like you've never been fucked before.

It can give even competent growers.. growers who would never overfeed or underwater their plants, growers whose plants at the end, would still look like prime healthy specimens, yields of 0.5gpw and even below...

For me to yield that low on a horizontal grow with that strain, I would have had to virtually kill my plants with under watering.. or some other disastrous mistake...

..Not just fail to keep up with the training...

The idea that vertical growing will yield better, is, in most situations and for the majority of growers, a myth. And exactly the same could be said of horizontal too.

There's no guarantee of yield and quality and results except for knowledge and experience.
Workload and sheer man hours can be largely circumvented by those. Knowledge and experience of strains, of systems, of nutrients, of training.. all save you work and time down the road and improve your results.

One thing I've learned is to tailor my grow and what style it is, to what strains I'm growing. A major factor in what I do now is how much work will this need to give me how much back... On a lot of hybrids which keep bushed out.. I will grow horizontal, veg short, top, flip, pinch, and get on with the rest of my life...

If I get something big and tall.. I'll spread her out and hang a light in the middle.

Efficiency is also a matter of workload and time spent growing... not just your end yield.

If you get 1gpw doing fuck all.. on a short veg time, with relatively small plant numbers... you are more efficient than someone training their arse off every day, vegging for 10 weeks, and pulling 1.2

Do what works for you and suits not only your style and your setup, but your life. Make sure you have the safety net that whatever else happens, your grow will return you x amount. That's something I think a lot of people, including myself, don't always take into account, and something which the people who say "vertical out-yields horizontal" certainly haven't.

 

[sprinkl]

I am no expert in either but limited experience and common sense tells me that while vert may be more efficient purely in the flower stage, the longer veg time pretty much balances things out when you look at total energy consumption..

Vertical additional lighting in climate controlled greenhouses would be my pick but lets wait some more years for total legalization or better yet decriminalization

 

[siftedunity]

For fuck's sake, can someone please lock this thread already?

Sorry but, stupidity and ignorance is annoying and so are people who troll. But by far the members on the very bottom of the pile are the ones who offer nothing but want threads closed because they cant cope with a heated discussion. Dismal effort.