Crossing question

[bostrom155]

Hi all,
I'm still reading the sticky's and anything else I can. I have a Cross I made of Cali-O x Aurora Indica (Nirvana's)F1. They just went into flower. I have 2 females and a few males. I'm going to cross one of the males with one of the females. This I think will be an F2. If I clone a Female and male and cross again will it make F3's or do I just grow out the F2's seeds I'm making now and cross those male and female. Hope this makes sense. Also how many times do I cross it seems like a few would do, maybe to f3 or f4, this is for personal use only. and fun

Here is my first cross a bagseed and AI, way too stretchy

 

[deZerTomB]

If you take clones then cross, you'll get pretty much the same beans again. If you keep crossing the seeds down the line you'll get an IBL in bred line f3 f4 f5 f6 so on. Some say this stabilizes it others say it makes mutants.

It's also good to bring in some new blood and give the genetics a shot in the arm.

So it's up to you, no right or wrong way to do it.

 

[Bluebeard]

I don't even know where to start answering your question. Male selection is difficult and requires to some degree testing the offspring and comparing that to other males. A dense flowering male definitely produces denser female offspring and the subtleties of the aroma in the flowers is reflected in the males female offspring. However purple flowers glandular trichome production and skunkiness in vegetative cycle aren't neccesarily reflected in the famale flowers of its offspring. I'm not saying these traits are not affected by what you see in the flowers of the male used for breeding just that its hard to say for sure. So unless you are prepared to do a lot of testing then backing up and record keeping I don't think you should go past f1. If you like the f1s produced keep clones of the parents and keep producing more f1 seeds. If you really like them go to f2 and just go slowly and don't be afraid to back up or completely start over. If ur just looking to produce seeds so you don't have to buy more. Buy an ibl like kodiak gold reefermans burmese or gypsy's cinderella and some deep chunk. You pollinate any of those strains with a deep chunk male and you'll have something top quality. You also can inbreed these strains just by picking your best female and pollinate it with as many males of the same strain and you'll have an unlimited supply of breeding stock to use.

 

[Guest]

its great your makin your own seed.

the initial outcross is the F1, matein the sibs from the F1 beans are F2s and so on. once you leave the line breedin, there no longer filial generations.

redoin the cross with the same P1s,just created another F1 gen is all, thats the nice thing on the P1s, you can continue to make exact duplicate F1s as long as the original parents are maintained.

Pike

 

[bostrom155]

Thanks for the replys, I picked the best male I had, it's just for fun and seeds, not that i'm not going to buy more. A buddy said to cross it 7 times? But like ya'll said If it's good, then ok. I have a Space Queen F2 male pollanting now, I'm going to cross back to the Female for seeds, so I guess they'll be F3's? Also want to hit my CaliO and AI Female with the SQf2.

I have records of everything, Seeds labeled etc. bought a 28 sectioned pill box for keeping and labeling seeds

 

[Bluebeard]

Yep you got it. I meant to say your pictures look excellent and its great to see you're making your own seeds. Once you make your own seeds you can really appreciate how much work goes into the stable lines that are for sale and how little work goes into many of the seeds for sale.

 

[newbgrow]

I'm not too sure Aurora Indica or Cali-O are IBL's or they breed true so they may not pass as P1's. Filial generations can only be created by 2 separate IBL's, if I understand correctly. F2's are made only when 2 F1's are crossed. An F1 x P1 will not be F2.

Making an IBL (inbred backcross line) will depend on your selection process as a breeder, and the genetics involved. A common consensus is that F5's = IBL's, but I don't think that's correct to be technical. An IBL is simply a line that breeds true, or a line that's uniform in the selected traits. This could possibly be an F5, or F20, depending on the 2 aforementioned factors.

Good luck on your ventures!

 

[Closet Funk]

Sounds like a nice cross. Crossing the F1 generation will result in F2's. Alot of breeders say that the best selection is in the F2 generation. Keep clones of the original F1 parents and go ahead and go further down the line. Once you find a certain female and male you really like then make your cross. Sometimes you might have to backcross to the original F1 parent to get what you want. If it was me I would just stop at the F2 generation and then backcross if I need too. Going further down the line can result in mutants and loss of vigor. Have fun and welcome to breeding.

 

[bostrom155]

I know the AI is an F1 to start, I dont think CaliO is though.
I still have the seeds I made if I have to go back. But it looks like I will only probably do F2. I've got a few months to check the CO x AI

 

[aeric]

Calio is most definately stable, but I don't know if Nirvana crosses thiers with anything.

 

[Bayrisch_Grün]

What you will have for sure is Cannabis....

You should read the Theories of Abbey Gregor Mendel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Mendel