Craigslist Ad: Exchange Pot for Ipad

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In what has to be one of the dumbest moves ever, an Arizona resident posted an ad offering to trade his ipod and a quarter ounce of Blue Dream for an ipad on Craigslist.

On top of that, he posted a photo showing his ipod and the cannabis on Craigslist. Perhaps thinking such a trade is allowed, he went ahead and met with undercover police who busted him and his friend as soon as he showed them the cannabis.

What bothers me is this: if he had done a trade with another member of his collective (if he is part of one), it probably would've been legal. But this is in Arizona so I wonder exactly which law he broke. I don't see a profit in the transaction, so it's not a sale of cannabis for profit. If it's just possession, it would've been only a $100 fine in Cali. But since the police had to investigate and setup a sting, they're not going to be happy with just a fine. So offering to trade marijuana is the crime, and I guess it's treated like a sale in the eyes of LEO, no?

Here's the ad. Evidently offering cannabis for sale or trade is becoming more common on Craigslist. My guess is the photo is what motivated the police as then they see evidence they can't ignore. Or maybe they're just big fans of Blue Dream... How convenient of him to post his location too, as that makes it easy for LEO to determine whose jurisdiction it falls in.

Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/14/jacob-walker-posts-craigs_n_610958.html

 

[SunshineJoy]

This is awesome.

While it certainly seems like a dumb move on the surface, I like the fact that an ad for weed with a photo on Craig's list is so harmless. People afraid of demon marijuana need to associate it with normalcy. Like this. Another point for our side!

 

[Payaso]

This guy is trying to win the Darwin Award...hope he does not succeed.

 

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I wonder if the legalization bill passes in Nov. if it would make this kind of activity (trading cannabis via the internet) legal or not in California. I don't remember any specific item in the measure to criminalize trades between private parties, unless they are also viewed legally as sales.

 

[guest456mpy]

Of course our natural 1st inclination would be to say that it should be no problem, but if I put myself in LEO's shoes I can see some significant trouble down the road for these poor cats.

The Craigslist ad clearly states that the source for the cannabis is Cali, but the transaction took place is in AZ. I'm not sure of the legality of crossing state lines could potentially place it in Federal Jursidiction(sp?) if the the two states don't allow sale across the two state lines. He should have never made that statement because it's a public admission.

Probably a trade between members of the same collective would have been cool if it were cannabis for cannabis, or a pure gift. Once again the person under suspicion has crossed into a grey area.

Not saying he would be found guilty, but they may very well try to make an example out of him.

A darn shame....

 

[Skip]

Ah, right, it happened in AZ. He's screwed... My bad, I've gotta drink more caffeine b4 I post these stories in the morning...

Yes, there seem to be many gray areas.

To me the biggest problem facing our community is that one state will lock you up for a long time, for something that is completely legal in another state.

The disparity in the laws between jurisdictions creates a lot of confusion among the cannabis community presently. It's easy to think something is legal where you are just cause it's legal a few hundred miles away.

 

[Kalicokitty]

Maybe it's not real at all, but one of the first in an effort to show how bad things will be if it's legalized in Nov.
Think about it "Weed from CALI" in other states being traded on craigslist, something they can point at and say, "if you think it's bad now, wait till this bill passes, weed will be sold all over the country from Cali, invading your schools, your Church's, etc.., just say no!"
Possible anti MJ propaganda?

Or maybe just a couple dumb kids.

I'm watching for the nonsense that you know will be popping up as we get closer to Nov.

 

[vta]

I wonder if the legalization bill passes in Nov. if it would make this kind of activity (trading cannabis via the internet) legal or not in California.

Not sure. It could go a couple ways: since this would be regulated maybe the gov would treat it like booze, in that case I don't think you would see ads on CL.

Or cannabis becomes even more grass roots and places like CL will get flooded.

 

[Skip]

Maybe it's not real at all, but one of the first in an effort to show how bad things will be if it's legalized in Nov.
Think about it "Weed from CALI" in other states being traded on craigslist, something they can point at and say, "if you think it's bad now, wait till this bill passes, weed will be sold all over the country from Cali, invading your schools, your Church's, etc.., just say no!"
Possible anti MJ propaganda?

Or maybe just a couple dumb kids.

I'm watching for the nonsense that you know will be popping up as we get closer to Nov.

It's coming! The theme is going to be...are you ready for this...

"Family Values!"

Yet again.

Let's watch the conservatives once again attempt to divide our country based upon morality and religion.

Fortunately, things have changed a lot since the good ol' Moral Majority daze.

Religion has taken a big hit thanks to so many church leaders having affairs, some of them gay, not to mention the Catholic Church's ever growing scandals.

Republicans have their own problems with many sexual scandals going back to the Bush admin. So it's kinda hard for them to run on family values without seeming to be hypocrites.

And conservative repubs like Meg Whitman and this Fiorini, are nothing more than big biz proxies, and we all know how highly Americans think of big biz these days.

But they're gonna try to preach to us values that only come up during election time, and are usually exactly the values that they throw away afterwards by seeking sexual gratification outside of marriage or personal gain.

So they're gonna hype the "dangers" to children of cannabis, ignoring the dangers of other drugs that are routinely prescribed for children at school.

They're gonna cry about the "social costs" of cannabis, while ignoring completely the social and health costs of tobacco and alcohol.

They're already crying about how they're gonna need MORE law enforcement and the economic burdens it will put upon cities and counties, completely ignoring the fact that fewer leos will be needed, and tax revenues more than compensate for any actual economic costs of implementing marijuana legalization.

They're going to try to label all cannabis users as criminals, hippies and drug abusers, ignoring all the criminality and dangers associated with prescription drug abuse by adults and children.

They're going to say how unsafe cannabis is due to pesticides, etc. This has already begun in the media.

The only way we can win these arguments is to redirect them by showing how cannabis is so much safer than these alternatives and how they're hurting people by not allowing cannabis choice...

Ah, there we go. Choose Cannabis... That's a slogan there.

Choose cannabis over tobacco, alcohol, prescription drugs. It's safer!

Demand your FREEDOM TO CHOOSE!!!

(someone want to make a poster like that?)

Let's reframe the debate to be one of freedom, guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. That will sway a lot of Libertarians to our cause (a lot are already with us).

 

[Fuzz420]

I think it should be mentioned, the asshats at Apple Decided they would fight illegal sales over seas by not accepting cash for the Ipads.

Im no expert in fraud, but if i had to guess, if one were to buy Ipads in bulk to resale overseas i really doubt they would use cash. Most likely a fraudulent credit card that apple is readily willing to accept.Only people that cant get one are the hard working honest people that dont have credit cards.So knowing this i bet the guy thought trading for chronic would definitely score him one.

 

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Here in NYC we buy cannabis ("420" and "green") and coke ("ski") online via CL all the time. It's done pretty openly from what I can tell and the delivery service scene is flourishing. Only issue is prices are high, as much as $30/gram.

The last major hit for drug delivery services was when they shut down the Cartoon distribution network but that was heroin-to-your-door and not pot.

 

[guest456mpy]

Ah, right, it happened in AZ. He's screwed... My bad, I've gotta drink more caffeine b4 I post these stories in the morning...

You and me both, brother.

Yes, there seem to be many gray areas.

To me the biggest problem facing our community is that one state will lock you up for a long time, for something that is completely legal in another state.

The disparity in the laws between jurisdictions creates a lot of confusion among the cannabis community presently. It's easy to think something is legal where you are just cause it's legal a few hundred miles away.

Gee, this kind of confusing set of varying rules benefits LEO as a whole don't it? I'm getting older and older, sometimes I don't think I'm gonna last long enough to see the day when it is legalized in all 50 states, let alone where I personally reside.

The worst part of this incident is it plays right into their propaganda machine to make our community look like dumb-ass criminals. I sure hope that 1) this guy "lawyered-up" and 2) he learned from the experience!
Thanks for posting this, Skip.

 

[captain.koons]

Skip.

Trafficking is trafficking whether profit is made or not. If it weren't I'd just become a coke baron and tell the cops when I was busted that I pay extraordinarily high prices for my cocaine and don't turn a profit.

 

[NUG-JUG]

BLUE DREAM flows outta cali faster than oil in the gulf

 

[highroller614]

idiot

idiot

Sounds like he misses jail because hes dying to go back. Sheriff Joe is the biggest prick in the union. People go to prison for a joint out there.

 

[accessndx]

BLUE DREAM flows outta cali faster than oil in the gulf

That Blue Dream stuff isn't even that dank....

Smells nice, tastes nice....but it's more or less n00b weed anyway.

Got me high for a day or two, then it went to the back of the line.

 

[Toyot4]

shit an ipad is like 600 bones and this guy is only offering a quarter and an ipod. what a tool, and this guy is basically admitting to trafficking in the ad as well.

 

[Skip]

Skip.

Trafficking is trafficking whether profit is made or not. If it weren't I'd just become a coke baron and tell the cops when I was busted that I pay extraordinarily high prices for my cocaine and don't turn a profit.

Not sure where you live Captain, but here in Cali they make a big distinction about whether collectives/dispensaries make a profit or not.

According to SB420 and Jerry Brown's guidelines, collectives and dispensaries are NOT allowed to make an outright profit. So they just form a board who gets paid handsomely, and any profits after their share goes back to the biz or to the other members in the form of free pot or lower prices.

So you can't say that giving away pot is the same as trafficking, at least as far as California's medical cannabis scene is concerned, because they do it every day. In Arizona, where this guy lives, it probably makes no difference.

So in a scenario where this guy lived in Cali, and did this trade with another member of his collective, he would be just fine. Now if he were to sell it, and pocket the money, without giving it to the collective to distribute or apply towards overhead, then he would be breaking the law as far as I can tell.

Legalization would get rid of a lot of grey areas (probably create a few new ones too until modified).

And under Colorado's new law that takes effect July 1st, there can be huge MMCs (Medical Marijuana Centers) that are allowed to grow and sell for profit.

So the profit restriction will fade away as more investments are made in the industry by biz people wanting to make a profit. Ain't nothing gonna stop THAT gravy train.

Unfortunately right now the Feds look at any California dispensary making a profit as breaking California law, and ripe to be busted, so NOT showing a profit is the name of the game.

 

[DeezyH]

I believe the term is "gifting" and it is still illegal and can carry similiar penalties as sales.

 

[SeniorBuzz]

That Blue Dream stuff isn't even that dank....

Smells nice, tastes nice....but it's more or less n00b weed anyway.

Got me high for a day or two, then it went to the back of the line.

I'm working on a vaped bag of Blue Dream at the moment...I drew the same conclusion when I picked up some a few weeks ago...nothing to write home about, as they used to say.