Cops at front door..what next????

[Betterhaff]

I was chosen for jury duty and during the voir dire process the defense attorney asked the question “who here believes that police officers don’t lie?”

One time when I was arrested you should have seen the police report filed. My attorney is a good friend and he showed it to me, laughing, saying he knew I would have never said the things the officer had reported.

 

[Dr. Purpur]

I awoke to pounding on my front door. It was after midnight so I looked out the upper story window first. I see multiple pd cars across my driveway and four cops standing below. I did not answer. I left the lights off and crept around peering out Windows. They went through a neighbors yard because my gate was locked. They lowered a dig over the fence and he ran around my yard. He didnt alert them to the giant blue crush plant in the greenhouse, and returned to them over the fence after a search.

All this time, I'm running over my allowed 6 plants in bud. It was the reekingest GDP in full bud, and my filter wasn't cutting it. It reeled to high heaven iut there and im certain they knew.

I heard later they were looking for a attempted carjacker on foot.

I'm glad I didn't answer.

 

[Crocodile OG]

Lying in court while under oath, you are correct they cannot do that.

Lying to you in order to get you to admit something so they can arrest you, or during interrogation, you bet your ass they are allowed to and routinely do. Totally legal.

I agree with this post 100%.

Cant, wont and dont are three seperate issues altogether.

 

[Crocodile OG]

I awoke to pounding on my front door. It was after midnight so I looked out the upper story window first. I see multiple pd cars across my driveway and four cops standing below. I did not answer. I left the lights off and crept around peering out Windows. They went through a neighbors yard because my gate was locked. They lowered a dig over the fence and he ran around my yard. He didnt alert them to the giant blue crush plant in the greenhouse, and returned to them over the fence after a search.

All this time, I'm running over my allowed 6 plants in bud. It was the reekingest GDP in full bud, and my filter wasn't cutting it. It reeled to high heaven iut there and im certain they knew.

I heard later they were looking for a attempted carjacker on foot.

I'm glad I didn't answer.

They werent there for your weed obviously.

If they had been they would have come back and at a more civilized time to give you less reason to disagree to the search.

A medical state is different to a completely illegal state.

I was 100% illegal with 117 clones, moms, veg plants and flowering.

Had I not stood up to them I would probably still be in prison.

Had you answered the door they would have asked whether it was your residence and whether you had seen or heard anyone on or near the property.

 

[Crocodile OG]

I was chosen for jury duty and during the voir dire process the defense attorney asked the question “who here believes that police officers don’t lie?”

One time when I was arrested you should have seen the police report filed. My attorney is a good friend and he showed it to me, laughing, saying he knew I would have never said the things the officer had reported.

Do you mean you made a formal statement or was this during the process of being arrested.

 

[redlaser]

They cant lie. That is perjury if maintained in court and presented as fact then disproved. They can end up in jail themselves for this.

While it is perjury for a cop to lie in court, from my friends experience it does happen. He happened to go out of town for a few days and when he returned he found out the cops raided his place. Got a couple pounds of weed and some scripts from mexico. The weed was all bagged for retail and he had 55k as well. He happens to have his younger sister living with him and both her and her boyfriend like to slam stovetop there when he's not at home. Plus the boyfriend recently got popped again for crank and now decides he's going to trade my friend in so he can get out of some crank charges. So.. The boyfriend tells the cop my friends selling. By law the search warrant has to be served within 4 or 5 days of the information being received. They served it 7-8 days later and lied about it in court. The point was brought up by a lawyer but the judge didn't think it was enough to change anything.

 

[whatthe215]

just don't answer. don't give them ammo for a warrant, make sure your backyard is clean with no evidence back there. a mound of coco with perlite is enough for a warrant.

if you think they're watching you, following you... load up a sketchy bag or luggage with dirty clothes in your trunk and go to the cleaners. you will know very quickly if they're watching you.

 

[shithawk420]

Don't get it.could you elaborate please

 

[mojave green]

all things considered...

all things considered...

an intercom system is really the best. you can completely control the conversation. a simple, "we are fine. thinkin bout a good ol romp in the hay with the wifey so if you will excuse me," should cover you in all respects. never open the door. they will accept that as an invitation. believe that!

 

[Dr. Purpur]

That same night, my neighbors opened the door. The police immediatly walked right into their home, through it, and out into their yard uninvited.

That's what they would have done to me..
I was over my limit by ten budding plants. I did the right thing. I did dispose of some plants after they left.

Right into the neighbors house uninvited. How about that shit?

 

[Crocodile OG]

That same night, my neighbors opened the door. The police immediatly walked right into their home, through it, and out into their yard uninvited.

That's what they would have done to me..
I was over my limit by ten budding plants. I did the right thing. I did dispose of some plants after they left.

Right into the neighbors house uninvited. How about that shit?

Thats pretty fucked up Doc. You guys don't have lockable screen doors?

A crime in progress they could later argue that they didn't need a warrant and would probably hold up in court.

You would have probably been ok. Its rare that cops can count above ten anyway

 

[Crocodile OG]

an intercom system is really the best. you can completely control the conversation. a simple, "we are fine. thinkin bout a good ol romp in the hay with the wifey so if you will excuse me," should cover you in all respects. never open the door. they will accept that as an invitation. believe that!

Intercom, high fence and a locked gate FTW.

 

[armedoldhippy]

A crime in progress they could later argue that they didn't need a warrant and would probably hold up in court.

yeah, they frequently lie & claim they "heard a woman scream" or "I saw the suspect go into this house" & get away with it. it is called "exigent circumstances" I believe. they can do away with the formality of a warrant if they got balls enough to straight-out lie to a judges face. sort of like a state line won't stop them if in "hot pursuit".

 

[EclipseFour20]

My $0.02:

1. Anything you say can be USED AGAINST YOU in a court of law--that we all know and understand (Miranda right).
2. Nothing you say can be USED FOR YOU or to HELP YOU in a court of law--why? Hearsay evidence rules prevent it--the evidence of those who relate, not what they know themselves, but what they have heard from others...like when LEO is having a conversation behind a locked door during simple "knock and talk" or when handcuffed, sitting in the curb being "interviewed".

As a general rule, hearsay evidence of a fact is not admissible (there are limited exceptions). If any fact is to be substantiated against a person, it ought to be proved in his presence by the testimony of a witness sworn or affirmed to speak the truth.

So there you have it. LEO can only use what you say to HURT YOU...not HELP YOU (hearsay), its the law.

Hmmm....this can all be summarized in two words: Silence and Respect.

My attorney gave me this tidbit worthy of sharing...if you want to make a deal with LEO--do not DIY! Let the professionals do the job, even if it means a night in custody. Why negotiate to a lessor charge--if the attorney can absolve you of all charges? Besides, it is the District Attorney that decides to prosecute or not--not the guy in blue, and that's where the legal juice is.

Their motto: Protect and Serve
Our motto: Silence and Respect

Cheers!

BTW--to avoid a situation of "being detained", always have your ID with you. Should you be stopped for any reason without ID, LEO then can "hold you" until your true identification is determined...even if it takes all weekend (and pray that it is not a holiday weekend). Many a person spent a night at the gray bar hotel--just because they were a passenger in a car where the driver was arrested...and had no ID on their person. Or...when they ran your name and DOB through the computer, it came back a hit or "false positive". This shit happens all the time!

 

[Crocodile OG]

My $0.02:

1. Anything you say can be USED AGAINST YOU in a court of law--that we all know and understand (Miranda right).
2. Nothing you say can be USED FOR YOU or to HELP YOU in a court of law--why? Hearsay evidence rules prevent it--the evidence of those who relate, not what they know themselves, but what they have heard from others...like when LEO is having a conversation behind a locked door during simple "knock and talk" or when handcuffed, sitting in the curb being "interviewed".

As a general rule, hearsay evidence of a fact is not admissible (there are limited exceptions). If any fact is to be substantiated against a person, it ought to be proved in his presence by the testimony of a witness sworn or affirmed to speak the truth.

So there you have it. LEO can only use what you say to HURT YOU...not HELP YOU (hearsay), its the law.

Hmmm....this can all be summarized in two words: Silence and Respect.

My attorney gave me this tidbit worthy of sharing...if you want to make a deal with LEO--do not DIY! Let the professionals do the job, even if it means a night in custody. Why negotiate to a lessor charge--if the attorney can absolve you of all charges? Besides, it is the District Attorney that decides to prosecute or not--not the guy in blue, and that's where the legal juice is.

Their motto: Protect and Serve
Our motto: Silence and Respect

Cheers!

BTW--to avoid a situation of "being detained", always have your ID with you. Should you be stopped for any reason without ID, LEO then can "hold you" until your true identification is determined...even if it takes all weekend (and pray that it is not a holiday weekend). Many a person spent a night at the gray bar hotel--just because they were a passenger in a car where the driver was arrested...and had no ID on their person. Or...when they ran your name and DOB through the computer, it came back a hit or "false positive". This shit happens all the time!

I agree with the vast majority of your post but the entire legal system is in principal built around the presumption of innocence for the defendant. Yes I know that many judges and cops don't respect this.

Watch any episode of COPS. Guaranteed there will be someone who is pulled over and intimidated by LEO. The cop asks if he can search the vehicle. Poor bastard always says yes. Cops find whatever. Weed, crack guns etc. Dude consented to the search when he could have refused.

Silence and respect is spot on.

There are two answers to any question. Yes or no. The trick is to respond with single word answers.

"Do you have anything illegal in the vehicle?" "No"

"Can we come in?" "No"

"Can I search your pockets?" "No"

You dont have to justify with a reason. The "because" is when you start lengthening the rope to hang yourself.

They asked me several times if they could come in and have a look. Each time I answered with a simple "no" not "no because blah blah blah." The trickery they use is overcoming the objections of why you justify saying no. Just like a slick salesman or telemarketer. Remember no means no.

Protect and serve? Yeah right. More like harass and intimidate.

 

[EclipseFour20]

Croc, I agree--but if you can "slide-by" by not answering their question either "affirmatively or negatively" (yes/no)--then you will never be charged for "knowingly give false information to a law enforcement officer concerning the alleged commission of any crime".

The justice system is full of people that beat the original charge--but were found guilty of lying to a LEO (remember Martha Stewart--spent time in jail for lying, not inside trading).

So how do you "slide-by"? Answer (or more accurately "respond") to EVERY QUESTION...with a question...or with an evasive response...but never with an answer.

Example 1.
Q: "Do you have anything illegal in the vehicle?"

Me? You gotta be kidding.
Why do you ask?
Am I being charged for anything?
What are you looking for?
Are you asking all motorist the same question?
or one of my favs, repeat the question back and laugh--"lol...do I have anything illegal in the vehicle?...lol, why would I want to have anything illegal in my car?

If you say "no"...and LEO finds something/anything (even an innocent mistake) like a forgotten roach, prescription pill out of its container, etc or something placed in your car by someone else--friend or foe (even planted evidence by LEO)...you have a guaranteed ride downtown.

Example 2.
Q: "When did you stop beating your wife?"

Who says I have a wife?
Is this a joke? (laughing)
Now, that's a good question...when did I stop beating my wife....who says I did?
Why do you ask?
Are you kidding? That is ridiculous! I don't want to answer that...am I being detained? or am I free to go?

That question is loaded and if answered with a "yes" you're fucked...if "no" you're fucked. No winning answer.

There is a "slight art" to be able to "answer questions...with questions" and not look too cute or misleading, or come off as a wise ass--politicians do it all the time; just watch your body language.

Cheers!

 

[Cuffs]

can you shoot them? lol. seriously, just say no warrant, no welcome. Fucking pigs!

 

[EclipseFour20]

BTW...if during the conversation you said, "that happened Friday afternoon" and honestly meant it--but in fact the day was actually Thursday....you just gave them a gift to fuck you.

In my prior life, I witnessed millions of fines being paid, nice people banned for life, and enhanced sentencing all because of an "honest mistake"; the document they signed, "under penalties of perjury" contained, statements and or numbers that later proved to be inaccurate.

Prisons are full of "innocent people" that "made a mistake".

Slip-n-slide....

 

[fredcdobbs]

^ I respectfully disagree.

So be it. The lawyers can then handle that aftermath. As already stated, NEVER talk to them. You have nothing to gain. Let your lawyer be the intermediary. That is what you pay them to do. They are better with their words and more versed in the law.

No need to talk to them outside your house or through the intercom. What is to gain from that? I can see if it's curiosity relating to something that might have happened in your neighborhood, but otherwise if they are there to talk to you specifically.. DO NOT. They'll only try to get further intel, falsely interpret your words, or otherwise manipulate you in some way. NEVER speak to them.. there is no point. They are not your friends and no good ever comes from speaking with them directly. Going out back to talk to them could easily lead to your arrest/death and a fabricated lie to justify their actions. Never give them that chance. Saying that to the wrong cop might get a boot on your neck and a pair of silver bracelets, or much worse. The cop would just say you got irate, resisted, and went for his gun. They do what they want and butter up the story afterwards.


If the cops are ever within the interior of my house I better be picking splinters out of the carpet and replacing my door after it's all said and done. Otherwise I am myself to blame for whatever may come next.

flowerfarmer you said everything that i would have ...thanks

 

[fredcdobbs]

I respect your disagreement but you are wrong.

The concern for life clause is what fire fighters and other emergency services use to enter properties in an emergency. It negates the need for a warrant.

If the lights, tv etc are on and no one answers the door then they will have a legitimate excuse for entry in court. They will say to the judge that they believed you were dead or injured inside. Especially if they have been to the property before and had no answer. Maybe you were unconscious or dead on the toilet like Elvis? The judge will side with them in court. Especially if drugs are found afterward.

Maybe you were in the backyard when the door bell rang? Maybe you had to get a pair of pants from the rear of the house because you were naked?

There is no legal grounds for them to be suspicious if you come from ANY part of the property. If you answer the front door they will simply say that they smelled dope when you opened the door. Probable cause.

Anyone has the LEGAL right to approach your front door unless the access to your property is locked or a no tresspassing signage erected. For example Jehovahs Witnesses or door to door sales people have the right to knock on your front door unless told not to.

You have every right to ask them to leave the property if they have no legally justified reason to be there ie a warrant or probable cause. It is YOUR property after all.

I really hope you never have any problems mate. No one deserves hassles over weed.

Argue with me all you want but I am speaking from PERSONAL experience when I had the POLICE AT MY DOOR and from consultation with a lawyer.

THE LOOK ON THEIR FACE WHEN THEY HAVE TO LEAVE WITH NOTHING IS PRICELESS.

you are the kind of guy who winds up in jail.