cooking: need a plan of attack

[Papulz]

Hey gang, thanks for poppin by firstly.

my conundrum is this - approx 200 grams of popcorn buds that id like to turn into edibles.

issue is that when i do the math on making bud butter the ratio im familiar with would lead me to believe i would need to use approx 7 pounds of butter.. this is too much butter to be utilized effectively for me.. im shooting for around 1-2 pounds of total butter if possible.

the only way i see to achieve this is by doing an extraction on the popcorn in order to have less source material going into the butter process.

currently, ive sorta thought that making a cooking grade of hash oil might be the best way to strip the majority of the goodness out and end up with an amount of product that can be incorporated into 1-2 pounds of butter.

water hash is something i briefly considered but dont think ill be going that road.. seems unnecessary for what im trying to achieve.

looking to hear you experiences/ ideas!

 

[boroboro]

You've made lots of ethanol tincture, if I remember correctly. You could cook it up into ethanol, and then boil that down into the butter. That would be a lot of wasted ethanol, though...

I haven't done it yet, but I was going to try a Butane extraction, then mixed into ethanol rather than BHO. I was wondering if you can add cold ethanol to the pan the butane is evaporating from, so you don't have to scrape the pan and re-dissolve. I was going to use butane rather than ethanol, since there are some nasty flavors in this weed / trim.

How about a paste of butter in the bottom of the butane pan?

I guess that route depends on how violently but butane boils off (varies with temperature?). Also depends on how much oil butter can soak up and absorb / dissolve.

 

[Jeff Lebowski]

May I suggest vaporizing that popcorn, you'd be surprised and then afterwards, you can still make insanely potent edibles with the vaped leftovers. Everyone's happy and you're high TWICE in the process. Just an idea, good luck though and lets us know what happens.

 

[Gray Wolf]

I haven't done it yet, but I was going to try a Butane extraction, then mixed into ethanol rather than BHO. I was wondering if you can add cold ethanol to the pan the butane is evaporating from, so you don't have to scrape the pan and re-dissolve. I was going to use butane rather than ethanol, since there are some nasty flavors in this weed / trim.

After the butane has evaporated, I pour the ethanol directly into the pan and put the oil in alcohol suspension by rubbing it from the Pyrex pie dish with my gloved finger.

I then cook mine back down, but it is not necessary unless you need it orally active.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Hey gang, thanks for poppin by firstly.

my conundrum is this - approx 200 grams of popcorn buds that id like to turn into edibles.

issue is that when i do the math on making bud butter the ratio im familiar with would lead me to believe i would need to use approx 7 pounds of butter.. this is too much butter to be utilized effectively for me.. im shooting for around 1-2 pounds of total butter if possible.

the only way i see to achieve this is by doing an extraction on the popcorn in order to have less source material going into the butter process.

currently, ive sorta thought that making a cooking grade of hash oil might be the best way to strip the majority of the goodness out and end up with an amount of product that can be incorporated into 1-2 pounds of butter.

water hash is something i briefly considered but dont think ill be going that road.. seems unnecessary for what im trying to achieve.

looking to hear you experiences/ ideas!

I super infuse oils for high potency medications and have used ethanol, butane, and hexane for the extraction itself. If you are going to super infuse the butter, I would recommend that you either make bubble hash and extract the oil from it using ethanol, or extract with butane or hexane directly and re-infuse it into the butter.

Both of those methods will sidestep most of the other solubles that make cannabutter taste greeeen and the plant waxes that just take up menstruum space.

 

[chubbynugs]

When i can i like to use a pound of trim to 2 pounds butter in ten cups of water. My brownies will put you in a coma. I make three batches of brownies off the butter. Cook brownies with a large dose of butter then when they are done in the oven and still piping hot have some melted down butter to pour over the top of the tray and cover the brownies evenly. Just threw in that brownie recipe because it is the easiest and cheapest thing to make. Good luck on the butter adventure.

 

[Gray Wolf]

When i can i like to use a pound of trim to 2 pounds butter in ten cups of water. My brownies will put you in a coma. I make three batches of brownies off the butter. Cook brownies with a large dose of butter then when they are done in the oven and still piping hot have some melted down butter to pour over the top of the tray and cover the brownies evenly. Just threw in that brownie recipe because it is the easiest and cheapest thing to make. Good luck on the butter adventure.

One point that I failed to mention, even with out the chlorophyll and plant pureens, in concentration hash oil becomes less tasty. If you are going to cook with it instead of rely on a couple of drops, I would place high priority on flavor.

When I infuse cannabis oil into a menstruum, I can actually infuse the different strains and batches so that it flows instead of being a sticky glob with about ~X amount of sesame, almond, olive, walnut, avocado, ……..et al oil, but it hasn’t been until I approached 10X that I started getting tasty comments.

GW

 

[Papulz]

once i have the extract obtained, it will end up mixed with butter which will eventually become peanut butter cups. so the butter will be mixed with peanut butter/sugar and topped with chocolate.

I'm not familiar/comfortable with hexane/butane extractions and believe that i would lose some material to the bubble process... how bad of an idea is it to simply extract on the green with the ethanol?

My highest priority is an efficient extraction to harness the potential of the material, as long as it doesnt taste like trash i think i can work with it.

the ultimate goal is to get people medicated with this blue haze x black snow popcorn.

really appreciate y'alls input.

 

[Gray Wolf]

I'm not familiar/comfortable with hexane/butane extractions and believe that i would lose some material to the bubble process... how bad of an idea is it to simply extract on the green with the ethanol?

My highest priority is an efficient extraction to harness the potential of the material, as long as it doesnt taste like trash i think i can work with it.

You can also extract from either the plant material or the hash with ethanol. When you extract directly with the plant material, you end up with more volume because of the waxes and if you do the process cold, it ends up tasting like concentrated cow pie.

If you extract with alcohol hot, the resulting mixture of waxes and oils will taste floral and nutty until you start getting seriously concentrated.

I reflux boil plant material for thirty minutes in Everclear before decanting, refilling with fresh alcohol, and repeating the process. I boil about four times, or until the alcohol begins to clear.

At that point, I distill off the alcohol and use the oil. In the final stages of the boil off, I decant the mixture in a small jar and add a few drops of water. When it is reduced to just oil and wax, it is hard to get out of what ever container it is in and you lose a lot trying to clean up large containers.

I then swirl the jar in 230F oil until I can’t induce it to bubble further and then I pour in my menstruum oil at that point to minimize what I lose to the jar. I use various oils instead of butter, but have you considered replacing the butter that you are contemplating with tasty cooking oil and using that for cooking?

GW

 

[Papulz]

ive contemplated non saturated fats before - but in this case in particular the texture would likely be a bit runnier than normal.

is there any good data on the absorptive properties of different oils?

i remember hearing that people liked peanut oil..

your reboiling methodology sounds a lot like when i make tincture.. this might be the method ill end up choosing.

 

[Gray Wolf]

ive contemplated non saturated fats before - but in this case in particular the texture would likely be a bit runnier than normal.

is there any good data on the absorptive properties of different oils?

i remember hearing that people liked peanut oil..

your reboiling methodology sounds a lot like when i make tincture.. this might be the method ill end up choosing.

I have tried sesame, almond, walnut, avocado, olive, and cannola and they all work very well. Actually just a small amound to any of the above oils will maintain the liquidity of cannabis oil, but they don't really start to taste good to me until the menstruum oil concentration rises to at least 10x minimum. I have never used it, but coconut oil works well and is a little more solid at room temperature.

They will hold at least 10x as much cannabis oil as actually tastes good. I personally like almond oil because of the flavor.

GW

 

[DogBoy]

A nice big bag of Bhang would require no additional products and is great. Make as much Cannabutter as you want, bake some cakes etc and then anything you have left you can make bhang from. It lasts for ages, works a charm and has no bad smell so is perfect for sprinkling on food in restuarants where it's not cool to smoke up.

 

[Papulz]

say gray - what ratio of solvent to source do you favor for ethanol?

do you render the source material at all (any grinding or anything to get more surface area?)

 

[Gray Wolf]

say gray - what ratio of solvent to source do you favor for ethanol?

do you render the source material at all (any grinding or anything to get more surface area?)

I dry the plant material in a 200F oven until it is just frangible when I roll it between my finger and thumb. I then pass it through a pasta strainer manually to get the wood out and pulverize the material.

I throw the wood in a Crockpot full of Canola oil to make topical and load the pulverized plant material into a modified stainless asparagus pot and cover it with alcohol about an inch and a half or so above the material if I am reflux boiling.

I actually usually don't bother to reflux boil because if I just add another inch of alcohol and attach the condenser, I can just let it boil and the alcohol distill off for 30 minutes, but recapture it and use it again.

My solvent recovery rate using alcohol is pretty close to 100% when my system is closed and its discharge is run through an ice water condenser that I made out of a stainless mixing bowl and some copper tubing.

The first boil takes more alcohol than the rest, because it has to soak up the plant material and the subsequent ones only have to replenish the balance poured off.

The solvent that the plant material soaks up is pretty much lost, as even when I've bagged it and tried to run it through a tincture press, by the time I got it loaded and up to pressure, the hot alcohol had already flashed off.

Some alcohol is lost to evaporation when I open the pot of hot alcohol to decant each time and I finish off in an open jar and just let the remaining quarter pint or so boil off to atmosphere while I am busily swirling it in a 230F bath.

See attached photos:

GW

 

[Capn]

to greywolf: If that dark solution is your MJ infused ISO, I'd suggest using hexane or butane instead of iso for your extraction.

I really dig the method you use to recapture your solvent tho. k+.

 

[Gray Wolf]

to greywolf: If that dark solution is your MJ infused ISO, I'd suggest using hexane or butane instead of iso for your extraction.

I really dig the method you use to recapture your solvent tho. k+.

You are looking at an alcohol extraction from kief. My appologies on first stating that it was glycerin, but I had posted several pictures several different places today.

My butane extractions comes out gold until I decarboxylate it and then it turns dark amber.

Hexane turns out dark amber with a light touch of green.

Hexane extractions of vaporizer shards or pipe bowl cleanings however look pretty close to what you see in the picture.

Thanks! Glad you appreciate my cheeeeeep retired tongue in cheek aerospace engineer method of grabbing whatever is handy and throwing equipment together on the cheeeeeeep.

Easy and cheap way to save on alcohol. The ad hoc equipment could also be easily used to make alcohol out of corn sugar, if that was legal, but in the US it is not legal without a license, and the fire marshal's requirements pretty much negate home use, so I only mention how easy it is in passing.

Fortunately, if Everclear is only ~$70USD a gallon, like it is here locally, why would anyone even consider it?

GW

 

[Capn]

Wow really? it still comes out that dark? Does light shine through it at all?

My iso always looks like a very light beer or tan water when im done straining the trim and particulate out of it. Ill try and have some pics the next time I make it, always remeber to snap some when im evaping my iso lol.

I'd imagine a more selective solvent to be a little more translucent.

Kudos 2u!!!

 

[Gray Wolf]

Wow really? it still comes out that dark? Does light shine through it at all?

My iso always looks like a very light beer or tan water when im done straining the trim and particulate out of it. Ill try and have some pics the next time I make it, always remeber to snap some when im evaping my iso lol.

I'd imagine a more selective solvent to be a little more translucent.

Kudos 2u!!!

As soon as you heat the cannabinoids, even at 173F during alcohol cookoff, they darken up. It does not appear to affect the potency.

I use long thin tubes to judge density. See attached glycerin samples using various processes. The clear one is glycerin that has been heat cycled 7 times, a cold extraction, and the other two are different extractions that have also been heat cycled 7 times.

GW

 

[Capn]

I've had some that darken up, and i've had some that don't. Sometimes the iso oil is a light clear yellow, and sometimes its a red amber or even purple. It's very rare to have the lighter kind I've noticed.


Wish I could try some of your glycerin, Looks so clear!