I currently grow in 5 gallon pails and yield 1.75 pounds per 1000 watt HPS.I am considering changing to 2 gallon pots to cut down on veg time.I grow 4 1000s over 2 4x8 tables.With the 5 gallon pails I fit 64 pots but with the 2 gallon pails I can fit 100.I feel with the smaller pots and more per area will cut down on veg time but dont want to bring my yields down.Anyone have any input on this matter? Thanks for the help.
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I've grown in all different sized pots and like to flower my clones in 2 gallon the best,I seem to get the best yield with these pots.Actually they're not quite 2 gallon they're NSI classic 600s.
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Guest
I start my rooted cuttings in 4 inch pots and let the rootball fill the container good before transplanting to 2 gal.
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billyboy
Sounds like an excellent setup. You are definatley getting the yield I would expect.
I am not sure that going to 2gal pots and shortening veg time will get alot higher yield for that setup but going from 64 to 100 plants is definatley alot more work. If your table was bigger than 4x8, then you could get 25 3gal pots per light because the outside plants still get enough light with 1k systems.
If you do try this and pull a couple extra oz's per light, I am not sure it would worth the effort of tending 36 more plants, but a 1/2lb or more per light from the change in setup will go along way to pay for that electricitiy bill. If you try this and can pull well over 2lbs per light of dried bud consistantly after the change, then I would like to know the results.
What strains are you growing? Some strains I have grown have been around 3 oz's per plant with that setup, but not all strains yield that well.
Sounds like an excellent setup. You are definatley getting the yield I would expect.
I am not sure that going to 2gal pots and shortening veg time will get alot higher yield for that setup but going from 64 to 100 plants is definatley alot more work. If your table was bigger than 4x8, then you could get 25 3gal pots per light because the outside plants still get enough light with 1k systems.
If you do try this and pull a couple extra oz's per light, I am not sure it would worth the effort of tending 36 more plants, but a 1/2lb or more per light from the change in setup will go along way to pay for that electricitiy bill. If you try this and can pull well over 2lbs per light of dried bud consistantly after the change, then I would like to know the results.
What strains are you growing? Some strains I have grown have been around 3 oz's per plant with that setup, but not all strains yield that well.
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Guest
Ever think of using 6inch cubes and doing organic hydro, seems all the high end commercial setups use ebb & flow tables like you with c02 and rockwool. 
, I'm sure you can get 1gpw if you cut down you vegg time and yield more by having more plants.
, I'm sure you can get 1gpw if you cut down you vegg time and yield more by having more plants.Soil
Soil
I used to grow in rockwool and have done a few NFT grows but that was over ten years ago.The strains I am growing are Chronic and POG.I just popped some beans of Misty and Black Domina.Here is a couple of pics.One is from 5 gallon pails and the other is from a soil bed.
Soil
I used to grow in rockwool and have done a few NFT grows but that was over ten years ago.The strains I am growing are Chronic and POG.I just popped some beans of Misty and Black Domina.Here is a couple of pics.One is from 5 gallon pails and the other is from a soil bed.
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Guest
Very impressive setup you have. I can understand why you want to shorten veg because it costs $$$$$. I think your plan makes sense when growing clones.
I hope someday to try a soil bed grow, but my current situation only allows growing from seed in pots during the winter months of the year for big grows.
I hope someday to try a soil bed grow, but my current situation only allows growing from seed in pots during the winter months of the year for big grows.
Young Giver
Member
Personally I would stick with what you have. Getting near 100 plants is risky especially if leo hears about it. Just find more minor thing's wrong with your set-up theres always room for improvment.
powdergreen
Member
using larger containers will help with salt build up, i presently use 2 gallon containers and i always have problems with salt build up near the end. I also use 4 1000 hps i usually only run 50 - 60 plants. Average yield is 1 to 1.5 a light. Seems like you are doing very well. Maybe i will bump up the numbers. Do you use Co2. RO or tap??
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Guest
Billyboy, whats going on. having such nice ebb flo trays, would be a wast to not maximizing your effiency. So you are asking the right questions here. Skip veg, straight to flower. Keep mothers for alot of clones. Grow like the horticultural industry, pack em in there at each phase of development. A;lways double the cubic inch displacement of your previous container. gegmination plug (seed / clone) is 1 5/8 dia., by 2 in. deep. next is 3 in. by 3 in., 4 inches deep. Now you move out of the cell trays and take a cue from the orchid industry. Use peat moss withh a perlite mixed in. Nice and porous, lets the substrate ventilate where all the root are.
Pick out trays, and contaners that drain well. The tray may be completely open on the bottom. And, since the plants are moving from a pot with the same ph, less stress.
Oh, just follow the chart on your nutient bottle, no meter. If you looking to get a meter. Get a relative humidity meter, or phycometer / hygrometer.
Big pots defeats the potential of the ebb flow tray. Work your lights less by alternating then coming on, then a sequence for tunning off. This way, you have just mimiced the suns movement and getting light into the canopy from diffent angles. When you do this, you will see how the leaves move, reposition themselves as this sequencing occurs. I have saved a bundle by doing this. If you have many reflectors, you can really manipulate here.
You will also see when using these cell trays, that the plants train themselves. They grow proportialy to each other, which is what you want. A even canopy for even light distribution. Click on the gallery bottom on the bottom, you will see what can be done with these trays. Right now, working on a training method, playing around here.
Having more plants have other benifits too. Your quicker turn around, and more numbers is the way to go if you have the equipment. But really check into this substrate thing, there are advantages and disadvantages to each.
Chilly Willy
Pick out trays, and contaners that drain well. The tray may be completely open on the bottom. And, since the plants are moving from a pot with the same ph, less stress.
Oh, just follow the chart on your nutient bottle, no meter. If you looking to get a meter. Get a relative humidity meter, or phycometer / hygrometer.
Big pots defeats the potential of the ebb flow tray. Work your lights less by alternating then coming on, then a sequence for tunning off. This way, you have just mimiced the suns movement and getting light into the canopy from diffent angles. When you do this, you will see how the leaves move, reposition themselves as this sequencing occurs. I have saved a bundle by doing this. If you have many reflectors, you can really manipulate here.
You will also see when using these cell trays, that the plants train themselves. They grow proportialy to each other, which is what you want. A even canopy for even light distribution. Click on the gallery bottom on the bottom, you will see what can be done with these trays. Right now, working on a training method, playing around here.
Having more plants have other benifits too. Your quicker turn around, and more numbers is the way to go if you have the equipment. But really check into this substrate thing, there are advantages and disadvantages to each.
Chilly Willy
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Hey billyboy,
Found some pics you might be intrested in. Pick a size pot, that leaves no wasted space on the ebb tray.
You can even see the white roots through the larger pots. I have had no problem with fungus either, so they must be UV plastic. Sturdy, you can stand on one, won't break.
Found some pics you might be intrested in. Pick a size pot, that leaves no wasted space on the ebb tray.
You can even see the white roots through the larger pots. I have had no problem with fungus either, so they must be UV plastic. Sturdy, you can stand on one, won't break.
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The Strain Man
I think you could make your yield go up if you went with 2 gal growbags you can get more plants per sqft but you have to flower them sooner.
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strainman,
Whats goin on ?
Started from seed and will be aranging things here. I heard 2 gallons was nice. So you say flower sooner because of the limited root space. Thats where I stumbled. Waited to see presex, by that time, thes things got big on me. Didnt have time to mother. Moving. But did take some clones from the plants while trimming.
Going to grow these like you say, packed in and early. The intial plants, I thought should be a scrog to help fill the tray. The clones for sog.
But you know, the clones will be ready soon. And they will finish pretty close to the same time. This, I am happy about.
Thanks for your suggestion. trying to meet new people.
Are you from og. See low posts, but higher knowledge ?
Chilly Willy
Whats goin on ?
Started from seed and will be aranging things here. I heard 2 gallons was nice. So you say flower sooner because of the limited root space. Thats where I stumbled. Waited to see presex, by that time, thes things got big on me. Didnt have time to mother. Moving. But did take some clones from the plants while trimming.
Going to grow these like you say, packed in and early. The intial plants, I thought should be a scrog to help fill the tray. The clones for sog.
But you know, the clones will be ready soon. And they will finish pretty close to the same time. This, I am happy about.
Thanks for your suggestion. trying to meet new people.
Are you from og. See low posts, but higher knowledge ?
Chilly Willy
