Compound-pinnate vs. Webbed leaves

[Capt. Crip]

Lets hear your opinions..............?

I feel that the webbed leaves offer more surface area during the veg stage but tend to cover lower buds from direct light during flower.The compound pinnate leaves offer much more light penetration but not as much surface area to gather light for photosynthesis...........
This is the reason I like how many hybrids perform with webbed leaves early in life usually ending up with a more pinnate leaf structure at the onset of flower through harvest....
What do you guys and gals think on this subject?????????
Take care.............................CC
A pic of both types side by side.............

 

[Guest]

many hybrids perform with webbed leaves early in life usually ending up with a more pinnate leaf structure at the onset of flower through harvest....
What do you guys and gals think on this subject?????????

what i thimk is that you are describing the true definition of the word, phenotype

Phenotype; The physical and physiological appearance or a living being, expressing its genotype and the environmental influences over it.

 

[Guest]

for the record, i subscribe to the 'fan leaves=plant-solar-panels' philosophy.

 

[Capt. Crip]

Captain J

Captain J

Hey Jack,,,I hope things are well on your end.........
Phenotype is how a plant expresses it's genotype according to it's enviroment....Many hybrids will do this reguardless of the enviroment it's grown in(start with a more webbed leaf changing over to a more pinnate leaf during flower)...I think it is the plants way of allowing more light in during flower...I could very well be wrong!!
Thanks for stopping by......
Take care and be safe..........................CC

 

[Capt. Crip]

I agree

I agree

Although I will sometimes remove a few of the bigger leaves where a branch is formed during the mid to late flower stage............to allow light to penetrate to lower buds.....But only if it uncovers budsites............................CC

 

[Guest]

i hear ya, been sayin the same for a while, that plants can change their phenotype throughout it's lifetime......only been laughed at though

good to see someone else lookin at things the same way i do.

be well my friend
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note the leaves in veg as opposed to mid flower

early veg--

just before photoperiod switch--

24 Days 12/12--

 

[BOZWELL]

i hear ya, been sayin the same for a while, that plants can change their phenotype throughout it's lifetime......only been laughed at thoughointlag

good to see someone else lookin at things the same way i do.

be well my friend

Are you feelin ok there Captain have you banged the old noggen
I think I understand what youre saying

 

[BOZWELL]

like how a plant will grow depending on its enviroment ,much like people do
creating a larger amount of phenotypes
or am I miles away

 

[Capt. Crip]

Captain J/Bozwell

Captain J/Bozwell

I don't see why a plants phenotype can't change during it's life cycle especially if it's enviroment is changed...Not including the formation of flowers a plant changes going from continuous light to 12 hours of light.This may also account for the leaves narrowing at the onset of flower...
We all have seen the different pics of the same strain looking completely different just because of the enviroment it's grown in.....A good example would be the Trainwreck pics at the back of the 2nd cannabible...Many pics of the same genetics that look nothing alike...just because of it's growing enviroment....Obviously the same genetics can show many different phenotypes according to how ,when and where it's grown.......

Nothing seems exact or written in stone where cannabis is concerned........A very tricky plant indeed.......
Take care friends...........................CC

 

[Guest]

right on, see, you are a better conveyor of wisdom than i..

a phenotype is the showing of genetic traits in coordinance with it's environment et al

i think CBF has a thread on 'big room' plants..

i'd dig it up (the CBF thread) but his account is gone and its impossible to search by user.

be well

 

[Verite]

Imo its not just a photosynthesis factor but more of an environmental evolutionary factor. What types of environments will support and thrive a big wide leaf vs a small thinner one? Subtropical vs Arid, the soft velvet leaf to the hard waxy leaf?

 

[Capt. Crip]

good point

good point

You bring up another factor to add to the mix.....I originally was thinking of the controlled indoor enviroment but you bring up a good point to ponder..............
Take care....................CC

 

[Guest]

I have to jump in here and agree with the enviroment point. The trainwreck is a very good point. If you remember the TW i was growing and then look at TK,CBF and a couple other members and you will see that they look different in some way. I noticed mine had these golfball size buds and some buds large then others. Then i look at TK's plant and he's doing very well with them and yielding nicely. We all use different nutz, mixtures, and lights. I know for a FACT that this cut is the same and it bring me to think the enviroment on a plant and change it in more the other ways. This cut has show me that personally. Nice thread and great info.
Take care,
BG

 

[Guest]

a plants phenotype may change but it's gene set should stay the same no? therefore at any time during it's life the plant should, i assume , produce offspring along the same gene set , therefor producing offspring of similar phenotype?

aka just cause my TW looks different than someone elses , will it not produce similar seed if crossed with the same male at 2 different locations with 2 different environments?

also if cloned , would the plant not be the same phenotypically in gardens of similar nature? therefore really remaining the same phenotype just under different environmental influences?

are the "phenotype changes" triggered by genes that respond to environment , or age? or what ?

no doubt a plant can show webbed leaves at seedling / veg stage and become different through flower. but does that really make it a phenotype change? or is that not just the one pheno doing it's thing?

i'm stoned and this thread has me thinking in circles.

THC

 

[Guest]

I vote yes, You cant change the actual genetic makeup

I vote yes, You cant change the actual genetic makeup

But The expression of genes in a given plant can vary grately. I had a plant that was a total dud (in resin production)in flower (I mean practically nothing. ZIP), yet her clones wer major producers. Also I've seen Sativa doms start out with some of the shortest and widest leaves and change to narrow during flower.

 

[Guest]

All i know is that the cut i gifted a few people of the TW that if now floating around. Tends to look different from the way i grew mine. To me that has to do with the new environment it is living in. This cut has been around since Dr.J and i would think it has been through enough cycles with many growers and i would think any changes to it would be from the "new" environment the cut is growing in. I'm just a newbie and i'm guessing. Would love to hear from others also. Thanks and have a safe weekend everyone.
Take care,
BG

 

[Capt. Crip]

Phenotype can vary per enviroment

Phenotype can vary per enviroment

Genotype is fixed...Genotype X Enviroment =phenotype

The thread is titled compound pinnate vs. webbed leaves....
The positives and negatives of both types........

Ola BG,,gald to see you my friend..I think every single grow is different enough to see major changes in a single strain..
Take care and be sdafe................CC