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COMPARING SEEDED AND SEEDLESS CANNABIS BUDS: HORMONAL PROFILES AND TRICHOME COMPOSITION

Verdant Whisperer

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"It's important to note that the information provided in this section is based on the author's conjecture, drawn from their research and understanding of cannabis evolution."

Abstract: This paper delves into the intriguing variations in the chemical composition of trichomes, distinguishing between sinsemilla (seedless) and seeded cannabis plants. These differences arise from distinct growth and reproductive processes. The following sections outline potential disparities in compound levels within trichomes.

Seeded Buds:
  • Auxins: Medium
  • Gibberellins: High
  • Cytokinins: Low
Lightly Seeded Buds:
Auxins: Low/Medium
Gibberellins: Medium
Cytokinins: Medium

Sinsemilla Buds:
  • Auxins: Low
  • Gibberellins: Low
  • Cytokinins: High
Promoting Vigor and Vitality: The Benefits of Lightly Seeded Buds
Lightly seeded buds contribute to a healthier and happier plant due to their balanced hormone profile. With a moderate presence of auxins, gibberellins, and cytokinins, these plants strike an equilibrium between growth and reproductive processes. This balance promotes robust vegetative growth, resulting in sturdy stems, lush foliage, and well-developed branches. The moderate levels of gibberellins also stimulate flowering without causing excessive stem elongation. Additionally, the presence of seeds, albeit in smaller quantities, ensures genetic diversity, which can enhance the plant's resilience to environmental stressors and diseases. This combination of factors culminates in a plant that is not only vigorous but also better equipped to thrive in a variety of conditions.

THC Content: Sinsemilla trichomes often have higher THC content because they direct more energy towards trichome production when they are not producing seeds. This can result in higher levels of THC in the trichomes.

CBD Content: Seeded trichomes may have higher levels of CBD compared to sinsemilla plants. This is because when a cannabis plant is pollinated, it directs more of its energy and resources towards seed development. This shift in resource allocation leads to an increase in the production of CBD, a non-psychoactive cannabinoid. As a result, seeded plants tend to contain higher quantities of CBD.

Terpene Profile: Decrease in Cytokinins and its Impact on Monoterpenes: Cytokinins are a class of plant hormones that play a crucial role in cell division, growth, and development. They are involved in various physiological processes within a plant, including the formation of secondary metabolites like terpenes.

Monoterpenes are a type of terpene compound found in plants, including cannabis. They contribute to the aroma and flavor profiles of the plant.

In the biochemical pathway of terpene synthesis, some monoterpenes can have cytokinins as precursors. This means that cytokinins are involved in the production of monoterpenes.

Seeded Trichomes and Cytokinins: When a cannabis plant produces seeds, it allocates resources towards seed development. This allocation can result in a decrease in the availability of certain plant hormones, including cytokinins.

Impact on Monoterpene Production: If there is a decrease in cytokinins, it can potentially lead to a reduction in the production of specific monoterpenes that rely on cytokinins as precursors.

This means that in seeded trichomes, where there is a decrease in cytokinins, there may be a corresponding decrease in the production of monoterpenes that are directly influenced by cytokinins.

In summary, the decrease in cytokinins in seeded trichomes could lead to a reduction in the production of certain monoterpenes that have cytokinins as precursors. This illustrates how changes in hormonal balance within the plant can influence the composition of secondary metabolites, including terpenes. Keep in mind that specific biochemical pathways and interactions can vary based on genetic factors and environmental conditions.

Competition for Precursors: While both sesquiterpenes and auxins like IAA (indole-3-acetic acid) can be derived from tryptophan, plants have complex regulatory mechanisms that can allocate resources differently based on their needs. In a sinsemilla plant (which produces seedless buds), resources that would otherwise go into seed development are available for other processes, including the production of secondary metabolites like sesquiterpenes.

Sesquiterpenes in Trichomes: Sesquiterpenes, along with other terpenes, are commonly found in the glandular trichomes of cannabis. These trichomes are specialized structures on the surface of the plant that produce and store various secondary metabolites, including cannabinoids and terpenes. The production of terpenes in trichomes is distinct from the processes related to hormone synthesis and regulation.

Role of Tryptophan: Tryptophan is a precursor for both IAA (an auxin) and some sesquiterpenes. However, the pathways leading to the production of these compounds are separate, and the availability of tryptophan can be regulated independently for each pathway.

Selective Synthesis: Within a plant, biochemical pathways are tightly regulated. When a plant is producing a certain type of metabolite, it doesn't necessarily mean that other pathways, even those that share a precursor, will be suppressed. The plant can adjust its biochemical processes to meet its various needs.

Given these points, it's reasonable to expect that sinsemilla trichomes, having more available resources and not allocating them to seed development, might have a higher likelihood of producing sesquiterpenes, including those derived from tryptophan.
Other Cannabinoids: Besides THC and CBD, there are many other cannabinoids found in cannabis, like CBG, CBN, and THCV.

The levels of these cannabinoids can vary based on genetics, growing conditions, and whether the plant is seeded or seedless.
Seeded buds tend to have relatively higher levels of gibberellins compared to unseeded buds (sinsemilla).

Gibberellins are a class of plant hormones that play a crucial role in various aspects of plant growth and development, including stem elongation, flowering, and seed germination.

In that case, if seeded buds tend to have relatively higher levels of gibberellins compared to unseeded buds (sinsemilla), it suggests that the presence of seeds may trigger an increase in gibberellin production.

Gibberellins are known for their role in stimulating stem elongation, flowering, and fruit development. In the context of cannabis, higher levels of gibberellins in seeded buds may lead to:
  1. Increased Stem Elongation: This can result in taller plants and potentially longer branches, which could influence the overall structure and size of the plant.

  2. Promotion of Flowering: Gibberellins can influence the transition from vegetative growth to flowering. Higher levels may lead to a more robust flowering phase.

  3. Potential Impact on Seed Development: Gibberellins can also play a role in seed germination. In seeded buds, elevated gibberellin levels may contribute to the development of seeds.
Seeded buds, which have higher levels of gibberellins, may lead to an increase in the density of glandular trichomes compared to sinsemilla (seedless) buds. This is because gibberellins play a role in stimulating stem elongation and cell division, which can result in more trichomes being produced on the surface of the plant. More trichomes mean a potentially higher oil production capacity, as these structures are specialized for producing and storing various compounds, including cannabinoids and terpenes.

A study found that myrcene, a terpene commonly found in cannabis, is often associated with increased gibberellin levels. Myrcene is known for its earthy and musky aroma, and it's believed to have relaxing and sedative effects. The presence of myrcene in seeded buds may be linked to the higher gibberellin levels observed in these plants.

It's important to note that these effects may vary depending on the specific genetic traits of the cannabis strain and the environmental conditions in which it's grown. Additionally, while gibberellins can influence certain aspects of plant development, they are just one of many factors at play in the overall growth and development of cannabis plants.

When a cannabis plant produces seeds, it increases the production of gibberellins to promote the elongation of the stems that support the seeds. This is an adaptive response that helps the plant ensure that the seeds are adequately spaced for dispersal.
In contrast, unseeded buds (sinsemilla) do not undergo this increase in gibberellin production because they are not producing seeds. Instead, the plant directs its resources and energy towards floral development and resin production.

In general, seeded buds have relatively higher levels of gibberellins compared to unseeded buds. This is a part of the plant's natural response to seed production.

A group of researchers found that there are two main types of trichomes in Cannabis plants: drug-type and fiber-type. These two types have distinct characteristics.

Types of Trichomes:

Drug-type and fiber-type trichomes are found in Cannabis plants, each with distinct characteristics.

Drug-Type Trichomes:
  • Location: Primarily in the flowers.
  • Composition: Rich in THCA (Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinolic acid), a precursor to THC, the psychoactive component.
Fiber-Type Trichomes:
  • Location: More abundantly found throughout the plant, especially in areas like leaves and stems.
  • Composition: Rich in CBDA (cannabidiolic acid), a precursor to CBD, and myrcene.
 

Creeperpark

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"It's important to note that the information provided in this section is based on the author's conjecture, drawn from their research and understanding of cannabis evolution."

Abstract: This paper delves into the intriguing variations in the chemical composition of trichomes, distinguishing between sinsemilla (seedless) and seeded cannabis plants. These differences arise from distinct growth and reproductive processes. The following sections outline potential disparities in compound levels within trichomes.

Seeded Buds:
  • Auxins: Medium
  • Gibberellins: High
  • Cytokinins: Low
Lightly Seeded Buds:
Auxins: Low/Medium
Gibberellins: Medium
Cytokinins: Medium

Sinsemilla Buds:
  • Auxins: Low
  • Gibberellins: Low
  • Cytokinins: High
Promoting Vigor and Vitality: The Benefits of Lightly Seeded Buds
Lightly seeded buds contribute to a healthier and happier plant due to their balanced hormone profile. With a moderate presence of auxins, gibberellins, and cytokinins, these plants strike an equilibrium between growth and reproductive processes. This balance promotes robust vegetative growth, resulting in sturdy stems, lush foliage, and well-developed branches. The moderate levels of gibberellins also stimulate flowering without causing excessive stem elongation. Additionally, the presence of seeds, albeit in smaller quantities, ensures genetic diversity, which can enhance the plant's resilience to environmental stressors and diseases. This combination of factors culminates in a plant that is not only vigorous but also better equipped to thrive in a variety of conditions.

THC Content: Sinsemilla trichomes often have higher THC content because they direct more energy towards trichome production when they are not producing seeds. This can result in higher levels of THC in the trichomes.

CBD Content: Seeded trichomes may have higher levels of CBD compared to sinsemilla plants. This is because when a cannabis plant is pollinated, it directs more of its energy and resources towards seed development. This shift in resource allocation leads to an increase in the production of CBD, a non-psychoactive cannabinoid. As a result, seeded plants tend to contain higher quantities of CBD.

Terpene Profile: Decrease in Cytokinins and its Impact on Monoterpenes: Cytokinins are a class of plant hormones that play a crucial role in cell division, growth, and development. They are involved in various physiological processes within a plant, including the formation of secondary metabolites like terpenes.

Monoterpenes are a type of terpene compound found in plants, including cannabis. They contribute to the aroma and flavor profiles of the plant.

In the biochemical pathway of terpene synthesis, some monoterpenes can have cytokinins as precursors. This means that cytokinins are involved in the production of monoterpenes.

Seeded Trichomes and Cytokinins: When a cannabis plant produces seeds, it allocates resources towards seed development. This allocation can result in a decrease in the availability of certain plant hormones, including cytokinins.

Impact on Monoterpene Production: If there is a decrease in cytokinins, it can potentially lead to a reduction in the production of specific monoterpenes that rely on cytokinins as precursors.

This means that in seeded trichomes, where there is a decrease in cytokinins, there may be a corresponding decrease in the production of monoterpenes that are directly influenced by cytokinins.

In summary, the decrease in cytokinins in seeded trichomes could lead to a reduction in the production of certain monoterpenes that have cytokinins as precursors. This illustrates how changes in hormonal balance within the plant can influence the composition of secondary metabolites, including terpenes. Keep in mind that specific biochemical pathways and interactions can vary based on genetic factors and environmental conditions.

Competition for Precursors: While both sesquiterpenes and auxins like IAA (indole-3-acetic acid) can be derived from tryptophan, plants have complex regulatory mechanisms that can allocate resources differently based on their needs. In a sinsemilla plant (which produces seedless buds), resources that would otherwise go into seed development are available for other processes, including the production of secondary metabolites like sesquiterpenes.

Sesquiterpenes in Trichomes: Sesquiterpenes, along with other terpenes, are commonly found in the glandular trichomes of cannabis. These trichomes are specialized structures on the surface of the plant that produce and store various secondary metabolites, including cannabinoids and terpenes. The production of terpenes in trichomes is distinct from the processes related to hormone synthesis and regulation.

Role of Tryptophan: Tryptophan is a precursor for both IAA (an auxin) and some sesquiterpenes. However, the pathways leading to the production of these compounds are separate, and the availability of tryptophan can be regulated independently for each pathway.

Selective Synthesis: Within a plant, biochemical pathways are tightly regulated. When a plant is producing a certain type of metabolite, it doesn't necessarily mean that other pathways, even those that share a precursor, will be suppressed. The plant can adjust its biochemical processes to meet its various needs.

Given these points, it's reasonable to expect that sinsemilla trichomes, having more available resources and not allocating them to seed development, might have a higher likelihood of producing sesquiterpenes, including those derived from tryptophan.
Other Cannabinoids: Besides THC and CBD, there are many other cannabinoids found in cannabis, like CBG, CBN, and THCV.

The levels of these cannabinoids can vary based on genetics, growing conditions, and whether the plant is seeded or seedless.
Seeded buds tend to have relatively higher levels of gibberellins compared to unseeded buds (sinsemilla).

Gibberellins are a class of plant hormones that play a crucial role in various aspects of plant growth and development, including stem elongation, flowering, and seed germination.

In that case, if seeded buds tend to have relatively higher levels of gibberellins compared to unseeded buds (sinsemilla), it suggests that the presence of seeds may trigger an increase in gibberellin production.

Gibberellins are known for their role in stimulating stem elongation, flowering, and fruit development. In the context of cannabis, higher levels of gibberellins in seeded buds may lead to:
  1. Increased Stem Elongation: This can result in taller plants and potentially longer branches, which could influence the overall structure and size of the plant.

  2. Promotion of Flowering: Gibberellins can influence the transition from vegetative growth to flowering. Higher levels may lead to a more robust flowering phase.

  3. Potential Impact on Seed Development: Gibberellins can also play a role in seed germination. In seeded buds, elevated gibberellin levels may contribute to the development of seeds.
Seeded buds, which have higher levels of gibberellins, may lead to an increase in the density of glandular trichomes compared to sinsemilla (seedless) buds. This is because gibberellins play a role in stimulating stem elongation and cell division, which can result in more trichomes being produced on the surface of the plant. More trichomes mean a potentially higher oil production capacity, as these structures are specialized for producing and storing various compounds, including cannabinoids and terpenes.

A study found that myrcene, a terpene commonly found in cannabis, is often associated with increased gibberellin levels. Myrcene is known for its earthy and musky aroma, and it's believed to have relaxing and sedative effects. The presence of myrcene in seeded buds may be linked to the higher gibberellin levels observed in these plants.

It's important to note that these effects may vary depending on the specific genetic traits of the cannabis strain and the environmental conditions in which it's grown. Additionally, while gibberellins can influence certain aspects of plant development, they are just one of many factors at play in the overall growth and development of cannabis plants.

When a cannabis plant produces seeds, it increases the production of gibberellins to promote the elongation of the stems that support the seeds. This is an adaptive response that helps the plant ensure that the seeds are adequately spaced for dispersal.
In contrast, unseeded buds (sinsemilla) do not undergo this increase in gibberellin production because they are not producing seeds. Instead, the plant directs its resources and energy towards floral development and resin production.

In general, seeded buds have relatively higher levels of gibberellins compared to unseeded buds. This is a part of the plant's natural response to seed production.

A group of researchers found that there are two main types of trichomes in Cannabis plants: drug-type and fiber-type. These two types have distinct characteristics.

Types of Trichomes:

Drug-type and fiber-type trichomes are found in Cannabis plants, each with distinct characteristics.

Drug-Type Trichomes:
  • Location: Primarily in the flowers.
  • Composition: Rich in THCA (Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinolic acid), a precursor to THC, the psychoactive component.
Fiber-Type Trichomes:
  • Location: More abundantly found throughout the plant, especially in areas like leaves and stems.
  • Composition: Rich in CBDA (cannabidiolic acid), a precursor to CBD, and myrcene.
Super read maybe someone will know something. It's kind of advanced and may be hard to get info. Thanks for posting.
 

Verdant Whisperer

Well-known member
Interesting ….who did the study?
I did at my house, just because i was curious, using past research and understanding, as well as ai to contemplate ideas and organize finished document. I do not have supporting documents for my research as far as hormone levels and terpenes from seeded vs unseeded buds as the conclusion was based on speculation based on what the compounds do. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, its probably a duck, but i didnt have this ducks genetics tested. this is my blog if you want to see the evolution of how i got to where i am at as far as research. i do have the research document about differnt types of trichomes thought. https://greenqueengenetics.blogspot.com/ study about diffrent trichome types: https://bmcplantbiol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12870-018-1481-4
the information in article is a combination of my speculation and results from this study.
 
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Normannen

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"It's important to note that the information provided in this section is based on the author's conjecture, drawn from their research and understanding of cannabis evolution."

Abstract: This paper delves into the intriguing variations in the chemical composition of trichomes, distinguishing between sinsemilla (seedless) and seeded cannabis plants. These differences arise from distinct growth and reproductive processes. The following sections outline potential disparities in compound levels within trichomes.

Seeded Buds:
  • Auxins: Medium
  • Gibberellins: High
  • Cytokinins: Low
Lightly Seeded Buds:
Auxins: Low/Medium
Gibberellins: Medium
Cytokinins: Medium

Sinsemilla Buds:
  • Auxins: Low
  • Gibberellins: Low
  • Cytokinins: High
Promoting Vigor and Vitality: The Benefits of Lightly Seeded Buds
Lightly seeded buds contribute to a healthier and happier plant due to their balanced hormone profile. With a moderate presence of auxins, gibberellins, and cytokinins, these plants strike an equilibrium between growth and reproductive processes. This balance promotes robust vegetative growth, resulting in sturdy stems, lush foliage, and well-developed branches. The moderate levels of gibberellins also stimulate flowering without causing excessive stem elongation. Additionally, the presence of seeds, albeit in smaller quantities, ensures genetic diversity, which can enhance the plant's resilience to environmental stressors and diseases. This combination of factors culminates in a plant that is not only vigorous but also better equipped to thrive in a variety of conditions.

THC Content: Sinsemilla trichomes often have higher THC content because they direct more energy towards trichome production when they are not producing seeds. This can result in higher levels of THC in the trichomes.

CBD Content: Seeded trichomes may have higher levels of CBD compared to sinsemilla plants. This is because when a cannabis plant is pollinated, it directs more of its energy and resources towards seed development. This shift in resource allocation leads to an increase in the production of CBD, a non-psychoactive cannabinoid. As a result, seeded plants tend to contain higher quantities of CBD.

Terpene Profile: Decrease in Cytokinins and its Impact on Monoterpenes: Cytokinins are a class of plant hormones that play a crucial role in cell division, growth, and development. They are involved in various physiological processes within a plant, including the formation of secondary metabolites like terpenes.

Monoterpenes are a type of terpene compound found in plants, including cannabis. They contribute to the aroma and flavor profiles of the plant.

In the biochemical pathway of terpene synthesis, some monoterpenes can have cytokinins as precursors. This means that cytokinins are involved in the production of monoterpenes.

Seeded Trichomes and Cytokinins: When a cannabis plant produces seeds, it allocates resources towards seed development. This allocation can result in a decrease in the availability of certain plant hormones, including cytokinins.

Impact on Monoterpene Production: If there is a decrease in cytokinins, it can potentially lead to a reduction in the production of specific monoterpenes that rely on cytokinins as precursors.

This means that in seeded trichomes, where there is a decrease in cytokinins, there may be a corresponding decrease in the production of monoterpenes that are directly influenced by cytokinins.

In summary, the decrease in cytokinins in seeded trichomes could lead to a reduction in the production of certain monoterpenes that have cytokinins as precursors. This illustrates how changes in hormonal balance within the plant can influence the composition of secondary metabolites, including terpenes. Keep in mind that specific biochemical pathways and interactions can vary based on genetic factors and environmental conditions.

Competition for Precursors: While both sesquiterpenes and auxins like IAA (indole-3-acetic acid) can be derived from tryptophan, plants have complex regulatory mechanisms that can allocate resources differently based on their needs. In a sinsemilla plant (which produces seedless buds), resources that would otherwise go into seed development are available for other processes, including the production of secondary metabolites like sesquiterpenes.

Sesquiterpenes in Trichomes: Sesquiterpenes, along with other terpenes, are commonly found in the glandular trichomes of cannabis. These trichomes are specialized structures on the surface of the plant that produce and store various secondary metabolites, including cannabinoids and terpenes. The production of terpenes in trichomes is distinct from the processes related to hormone synthesis and regulation.

Role of Tryptophan: Tryptophan is a precursor for both IAA (an auxin) and some sesquiterpenes. However, the pathways leading to the production of these compounds are separate, and the availability of tryptophan can be regulated independently for each pathway.

Selective Synthesis: Within a plant, biochemical pathways are tightly regulated. When a plant is producing a certain type of metabolite, it doesn't necessarily mean that other pathways, even those that share a precursor, will be suppressed. The plant can adjust its biochemical processes to meet its various needs.

Given these points, it's reasonable to expect that sinsemilla trichomes, having more available resources and not allocating them to seed development, might have a higher likelihood of producing sesquiterpenes, including those derived from tryptophan.
Other Cannabinoids: Besides THC and CBD, there are many other cannabinoids found in cannabis, like CBG, CBN, and THCV.

The levels of these cannabinoids can vary based on genetics, growing conditions, and whether the plant is seeded or seedless.
Seeded buds tend to have relatively higher levels of gibberellins compared to unseeded buds (sinsemilla).

Gibberellins are a class of plant hormones that play a crucial role in various aspects of plant growth and development, including stem elongation, flowering, and seed germination.

In that case, if seeded buds tend to have relatively higher levels of gibberellins compared to unseeded buds (sinsemilla), it suggests that the presence of seeds may trigger an increase in gibberellin production.

Gibberellins are known for their role in stimulating stem elongation, flowering, and fruit development. In the context of cannabis, higher levels of gibberellins in seeded buds may lead to:
  1. Increased Stem Elongation: This can result in taller plants and potentially longer branches, which could influence the overall structure and size of the plant.

  2. Promotion of Flowering: Gibberellins can influence the transition from vegetative growth to flowering. Higher levels may lead to a more robust flowering phase.

  3. Potential Impact on Seed Development: Gibberellins can also play a role in seed germination. In seeded buds, elevated gibberellin levels may contribute to the development of seeds.
Seeded buds, which have higher levels of gibberellins, may lead to an increase in the density of glandular trichomes compared to sinsemilla (seedless) buds. This is because gibberellins play a role in stimulating stem elongation and cell division, which can result in more trichomes being produced on the surface of the plant. More trichomes mean a potentially higher oil production capacity, as these structures are specialized for producing and storing various compounds, including cannabinoids and terpenes.

A study found that myrcene, a terpene commonly found in cannabis, is often associated with increased gibberellin levels. Myrcene is known for its earthy and musky aroma, and it's believed to have relaxing and sedative effects. The presence of myrcene in seeded buds may be linked to the higher gibberellin levels observed in these plants.

It's important to note that these effects may vary depending on the specific genetic traits of the cannabis strain and the environmental conditions in which it's grown. Additionally, while gibberellins can influence certain aspects of plant development, they are just one of many factors at play in the overall growth and development of cannabis plants.

When a cannabis plant produces seeds, it increases the production of gibberellins to promote the elongation of the stems that support the seeds. This is an adaptive response that helps the plant ensure that the seeds are adequately spaced for dispersal.
In contrast, unseeded buds (sinsemilla) do not undergo this increase in gibberellin production because they are not producing seeds. Instead, the plant directs its resources and energy towards floral development and resin production.

In general, seeded buds have relatively higher levels of gibberellins compared to unseeded buds. This is a part of the plant's natural response to seed production.

A group of researchers found that there are two main types of trichomes in Cannabis plants: drug-type and fiber-type. These two types have distinct characteristics.

Types of Trichomes:

Drug-type and fiber-type trichomes are found in Cannabis plants, each with distinct characteristics.

Drug-Type Trichomes:
  • Location: Primarily in the flowers.
  • Composition: Rich in THCA (Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinolic acid), a precursor to THC, the psychoactive component.
Fiber-Type Trichomes:
  • Location: More abundantly found throughout the plant, especially in areas like leaves and stems.
  • Composition: Rich in CBDA (cannabidiolic acid), a precursor to CBD, and myrcene.
nm, sorry I just read your last comment
 

VerdantGreen

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How about the timing of pollination? for example, for the stem elongation claim to be possible the pollination would have to happen at flower onset. I often lightly pollinate buds 3-4 weeks into flowering and it has never caused any stem elongation.
VG
 

Verdant Whisperer

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How about the timing of pollination? for example, for the stem elongation claim to be possible the pollination would have to happen at flower onset. I often lightly pollinate buds 3-4 weeks into flowering and it has never caused any stem elongation.
VG
Probably not going to see a noticable effect at that point since the plant has stopped its stretch and is focused on bud development, it switches hormonal levels at that point to put more enegy into reproduction, where you would be able to notice the difference is in the shape of the nugs, they will be more round than sinsemilla.
 
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VerdantGreen

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Yes, as i said, there is no noticeable effect from my experience.

Do you have any actual experience of growing and smoking seeded buds?

Here's my experience, i grow more seeded buds than unseeded. Some lightly seeded, some heavily seeded.

Seeded plants yield less bud weight (not including the weight of any seeds)
They produce less resin than sensi plants.
They are a poorer quality, harsher smoke than sensi plants (even if you remove the seeds there are the papery seed casings and the previously mentioned reduced resin)

Given that we grow weed to smoke the buds, what advantages are you claiming to growing lightly seeded plants ?

VG
 

Normannen

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In my experience of smokin my seeded buds I must say that the smoke is harsher if they are not dried properly or if you didn't remove all the seeds including the immature fertilised ova. The sticks I can't clear of seed I use for hashmaking or extractions.

Otherwise what I find quite pleasant, specially after I have accumulated a good amount of "shelled" seeds; they are posibly the best smoke because there is no seed, there is no stem and it's just the "bud leaf" or better yet, the calyxes aka bracts.
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"I'll smoke you you little bracts!"

If you are capable of drying them slowly and without getting them to mold, or if they are already dried on the seed while maturing (even better) becasue you can just gently squeeze out the seeds with two fingers and put the bract in your bong. you get sticky fingers doing it all day, but hey, i love the smell and the feeling.
The smoke will be on the more herbal and floral tones and yes lighter too if you are planning on just chilling for a minute.
I find it the better intermediate between weak weed and hemp flower, or to wane off the tolerance without feeling hard withdrawals.
It's how I have been smoking my bud the past few years actually.
 

gmanwho

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I wondered this for years. thanks for sharing!!

Then if there is a benefit in some way, or an increase in desired compounds, is there anything natural you can add to the plant that makes it believe its seeded when in fact it is not.
 
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Verdant Whisperer

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Yes, as i said, there is no noticeable effect from my experience.

Do you have any actual experience of growing and smoking seeded buds?

Here's my experience, i grow more seeded buds than unseeded. Some lightly seeded, some heavily seeded.

Seeded plants yield less bud weight (not including the weight of any seeds)
They produce less resin than sensi plants.
They are a poorer quality, harsher smoke than sensi plants (even if you remove the seeds there are the papery seed casings and the previously mentioned reduced resin)

Given that we grow weed to smoke the buds, what advantages are you claiming to growing lightly seeded plants ?

VG
I understand your point, the main reason would be to stop your females from hermaphroditing late, and decrease the stresss in the plant which will lowerer the excess avialable sugars in its sap and make the plant less desirable for bugs, I've had that experience with heavily seeded bud tasting like paper.but lightly seeded, bud like 1 or 2 seeds in a nug, it still taste good for me. the advantage would be more for an outdoor grower whos keeping his/her line healthy with open pollination and wants to have lightly pollinated crop. for commericial or someone who just wants to get stupid high it doesnt make sense, but for someone preserving a landrace or and wants to keep their plants healthiest and get some decent smoke i think lightly seeded is the way to go for any outdoor grower preserving a landrace. sinsemilla's high is more intense because of all the substances the plant is releasing related to its stress of not being pollinated. so your hurting your potency but the trade off is a healthier plant thats less suscepitble to problems. for anyone who wants the most potent weed, no question sin-semilla, but myself growing outdoors i perfer lightly seeded, because i like my plants happier, and i dont mind having buds that are 10% instead of 15%, but average person wants that Shazam when they take a hit, i understand. Thank you for the excellent feedback, I am glad we got a breeder involved in discussion <3, and a while back i checked out your crosses, you have good taste in breeding IMO.
 
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Verdant Whisperer

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I wondered this for years. thanks for sharing!!

Then if there is a benefit in some way, or an increase in desired compounds, is there is anything natural you can add to the plant that makes it believe its seeded when in fact it is not.
Thats a good question, could be a specific hormone associated with seeded buds, not sure.
 

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After all the plants main goal in life is to produce and drop seed to ensure its future. We know that once the plant is pollinated it dedicates its time an resources to build the seeds. I also believe the trichome, other resin an terpene production possibly should go up.

I feel that the thrichome job, any related resin, other terpene's, and other unknown compounds are there to fend off animals from feeding on the seed. Antimicrobial compounds to prevent the seed from rotting. Protect the seed from the suns destructive and sterilizing UV light.

As i write this, i think the answer to establishing another test would be, what lies in the male pollen? What compound or hormone in the pollen triggers the female plant to know it has been pollinated? Isolate the compounds in the male pollen. Then possibly artificially introduce this compound making the plant think it has been pollinated

Or maybe it would just trigger the plant to produce shell and or empty non viable seeds. Or is this similar process to feminized seeds?

this article stated that , 3-methyl-1-butanol and benzylalcohol which occurred only in pollen

 
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this article stated that , 3-methyl-1-butanol and benzylalcohol which occurred only in pollen

I like where your heads at! awesome thinking yes it makes sense, your onto something there, this could be done to prevent crops from spewing bananas late in flowering. I think potenecy in the empty shell scenario would'nt be changed much, the effects will be diferent because sin-semilla having higher cytokinins which have have a heavier effect than sesquiterpenes in general. i think the seeded buds will have a more balanced high, while the sin-semilla will produce a high more associated with its dominant mono terpenes.
 
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Now i wonder, is this the answer to keeping the male pollen viable for longer periods??. As most are, these 2 compounds seem fragile. Does the female recognize these 2 compounds / pheromones and now know its been pollinated? Are these ethol indicators there to trigger seed production?

We know when the pollen sits for months it looses viability. Is it possible it is non viable because these 2 fragile compounds have since broken down and all have evaporated?

So now with the older pollen and the absence of these pheromones, when the pollen enters the female pistol an stigma, it has no indicators for the female to see/know it has been pollinated. The female may consider the pollen dust or soil or other fallen foreign material. And now she doesn't initiate the next steps for seed production. Or something to this effect.

Now artificially reintroduce these alcohol compounds in the older pollen that has been proven to be non viable, and maybe just maybe the pollen dna or whatever genetic information is still present.

And now maybe the pollen is viable, again. Could be part of a long term storage procedure or solution to using stored pollen.

i know i cross words around.. sorry.
 
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Verdant Whisperer

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Now i wonder, is this the answer to keeping the male pollen viable for longer periods??. As most are, these 2 compounds seem fragile. Does the female recognize these 2 compounds / pheromones and now know its been pollinated? Are these the ethol indicators to trigger seed production?

We know when the pollen sites for months it looses viability. Is it possible the reason is because these 2 fragile compounds have since broken down and all have evaporated?

So now with the older pollen and the absence of these pheromones, when the pollen enters the female pistol an stigma, it has no indicators to know it has been pollinated. Considers the pollen dust or soil or other fallen foreign material. And now she doesn't initiate the next steps for seed production.

Now artificially reintroduce these alcohol compounds in the older pollen that has been proven to be non viable, and maybe just maybe the pollen dna or whatever genetic information is still present.

And now maybe the pollen is viable, again. Could be part of a long term storage solution to pollen

i know i cross words around.. sorry.
This would be a game changer for breeders being able to store pollen long term! thats a really good theory, and honestly i think it may hold up after testing, because dna doesn't degrade the same way that alcohols evaporate. your hitting some homeruns today with these thoughts, good stuff.
 
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