Commercial seeds

[Superauto]

Are commercial seeds usually F1? F1 is always uniform and will give a very unstable offspring in F2 if customers try to breed their own strains, thats why I ask. But commercial seeds are maybe F4, F5 or higher?

 

[troutman]

If you to make sure you get F1 seeds.

I recommend that you purchase 2 totally different strains or Landraces
with no common ancestors in their pedigree and make your own F1 hybrid.

 

[Ringodoggie]

Excuse my ignorance but why is an F1 better than an F5 or F10 (consistency?)

 

[BOMBAYCAT]

Hybrid vigor (grows better) explains some of the answer. As you get down the Fn chain plants are more alike each other but they don't grow as startling well.

 

[BOMBAYCAT]

The F1 generation often shows hybrid vigor (grows better then either parent). The F2 generation is where you play and grow out as many seeds as possible. It is like gambling as sometimes you can find a startling good keeper plant in that generation.

 

[zif]

It all depends, most are f1s.

They're actually fairly rare. IBLs are even rarer, though (you probably have more fingers than there are known, public IBLs).

It's not enough to cross to unrelated lines and call it an F1. You must cross two relatively true breeding unrelated lines. The lack of efforts to make IBLs limits the number of F1 hybrids on the market.

F1s are great because they are vigorous and uniform. IBLs can be very uniform, but they are rarely vigorous. Mutt polyhybrids can be vigorous or sickly, but they often make very unpredictable offspring.

This may be one of the reasons why only a few clones tend to dominate in so many 'hybrid' crosses - they're just the ones that tend to be accidentally homozygous enough to be predictably good parental material. For example, Cookies S1s seems pretty consistent, which is evidence that the clone may be homozygous for many of its favorable traits... and so there is no shortage of cookies crosses.

 

[7Scorpions]

Depends on the strain and breeder....u got people like Archive who got a stable of unknown og's and cookie crosses probably f1's on release if not bagseed and then u got proper catalog breeders like coastal,rsc,csi,ace,etc that are doing open pollination work....and then there's the ppl just smacking IBL onto s1-f work...starting to see alot of mislabeling in this new commercial scene

 

[MJPassion]

Commercial vegetable seeds are indeed usually F1s...

Cannabis... Not so much.

Zif made a good explanation of why.

Most of todays varieties are multi-poly-hybrid because most of todays so called breeders aren't much more than pollen chuckers. I'm a happy pollen chucker myself.