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Comments on first grow space?

Okay, guys. As they say, necessity is the mother of invention. I "need" to grow some herbs, so I've "invented" a way to do it in my lame space which is about 16' long x 4' high x 4' wide. :sasmokin: Those dimensions don't sound all that bad until you realize that the space is triangular. It's hard as hell to work in there, but they call it a "crawl space" for a reason, I guess.



What you see in the distance is the flowering area. A 400W Hortilux HPS is used at the far end where the most mature plants that are flowring. Hidden and to the right of the oscillating fan is a 400W MH for the younger flowering plants. (Both lights are fixed in position; boxes are used to place plants at the optimal height.) The idea is/was to keep them bushy while they wait to be cycled towards the far end. A black plastic flap drops down and is velcro'd in place to block light from the veg & clone area (which is discussed below). I had my doubts about this at first, but it leaks no light at all.

Anyway, the builder of this house was kind enough to install a heavy duty extraction fan which can clear the entire air volume in about 3 minutes. Even better, they put it on a thermostat which I've got set to roughly 80degF/27degC. Another benefit is that this vents directly to a 4th story roof that's directly under a bunch of thick trees, so thermal sensor-equipped helicopters and smell aren't a concern at all. I suppose it'll help block heat during the summer, too, but all the walls were well-insulated (by me).

Here's what female #1 looks like at home in her spot. The small end is raised to help it catch up with the other side.



I use the long/narrow and fairly shallow 5gal troughs to keep the plants as low to the floor as possible. This calls for more careful attention to hand watering frequency -especially since I'm growing in 50/50 coconut coir/perlite. I'll leave her lined up like this for the rest of the grow because the big end is already almost touching the mylar. As the meristem grows I think it will curl towards the light and away from that wall (which will be a good thing). I just hope that the light penetrates all the way to the far end as the illuminated end gets taller/more full.

Next... let's look at my Veg & Clone area which measures about 5' high x 4' tall x 1' deep:


The basic elements are (A) clone mother, (B) clones, (C) seedlings & various cooking herbs (you know... the "other" kind). Air is taken in from the area behind the humidifier (1) and flows under the black plastic sheeting on the shelf. Then, it goes up via the fan in position (2), and then is pulled out of the box via the fan located in position (3).



That wall-mounted extractor fan is hidden behind a bit of cardboard to block the fluorescent light. This whole area is closed off via a big black plastic sheet with a layer of mylar. The sheet is held up and out of the way via a little velcro tab.

So, whaddyuz think? So far it's working pretty well. :yummy:
 

Mackawber

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How's your electrical infrastructure and wiring? Is it thick and new enough to supply you the amperage your going to need? Did you have to rewire from the house AC load center/bus box or did you find something existing at that crawl space location that's good enough?
 
electrical design

electrical design

Mackawber said:
How's your electrical infrastructure and wiring? Is it thick and new enough to supply you the amperage your going to need? Did you have to rewire from the house AC load center/bus box or did you find something existing at that crawl space location that's good enough?

The electrical aspect was taken care of by an electrician friend. It's pretty much up to code. Juice is sourced directly from the main breaker box (which is 20' from the room) and then additional breakers were placed inside the grow area for extra security. Heavy duty Romex wire was used through out. With the 2x HID lights and 240W of total fluorescents, I figure we're only at around 25% of the wiring's maximum safe load.
 

Brastaman

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Is this crawl space an attic? or something similar?
Looks great!!!

Fresh Air is the number one "concern" I have when building any type of garden. I saw an extraction fan; is there plenty of fresh air coming into the garden?
 
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air extraction

Brastaman said:
Is this crawl space an attic? or something similar?
Looks great!!!

Hey, thanks. Yes, this is my attic at the top of a house in a nice respectable suburban neighborhood. :joint:

I saw an extraction fan; is there plenty of fresh air coming into the garden?

Well, there is a vent in the wall that allows air from outdoors to enter passively when the extraction fan is off. The pressure in this crawl space is always slightly negative, so air does circulate a bit without doing anything. In this cold weather, you can easily feel the draft. When the extraction fan comes on (every 30 minutes or so with the HIDs on), the entire room's air volume is typically cleared. During the nights, the oscilating fan is there to stir things up continuously. Is that "fresh" enough for 6x 2-3' tall plants in this size space? What sayeth ye?
 
Heads up from the electrically inclined stoner... as opposed to the stoner farmer

I ran a new line straight into the room of 10AWG, this is on a 30 amp breaker, which is a 100amp service line.

From this, I'm running into the room, where i installed another panel. that panel has three breakers inside of it, each rated at 10 amps IIRC.

Breaker 1 - Dedicated to 400watt HID
Breaker 2 - Dedicated to 400watt HID
Breaker 3 - Dedicated to clone/seedling

I figured to go undersized on the breakers in the room. I'd rather have a breaker trip then have a house burn down from stupidity.

Nothing has ever popped, and the wires are not heating up in the least bit.

Heat is added via a cheapo Walmart heater
Humidity is added via an Ultrasonic Humidifier
Heat is removed via a thermostatically controlled ceiling vent to the atomsphere

The room itself leaks (air, not light) horribly to the outside, it maintains temperature, but pressure wise, it's increadibly negative. All air inside the house eventually works its way into that room. Especially in the summer. Hot air rises, fan sucks it in, and air is constantly circulated through the room.

Herm...what other toys..

Heating blankets for clones
Oscilating fans so the plants sway
Secondary fans to draw humidity from the clone area to the flowering area (since they are on a bit different time schedule, they had to be seperated).

I don't think we have a solid dollar figure on what this cost to build, but I'm guessing somewhere around $1000 (USD), the farmer would probably know that better then I do.

I'm more of a, "Point at it, tell me what to do, and I'll do it"

With that being said - We have a badassed home depot style room for growing basil and thyme for cooking ...and well... :joint:
 
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