Columbian Punto Rojo vs Columbian Gold effects?

[RenaissanceBrah]

In your guys' opinion, how do the effects of the Columbian Punto Rojo and Columbian Gold differ?

Was debating between picking up one of the two and wanted to ask.

 

[MAHA KALA]

ha! nobody knows it seems. that's shame.

I think today, both varieties are extinct and what is available is watered down version of it...

this is from article from 1979, I assume more proper and accurate "evidence" how it was than some today memories or impression from today version

"
Most Colombian marijuana that reaches America is known as "regular" or "commercial." It is usually dark brown, tends to be strong and heavy, and generally has a pungent, earthy flavor when relatively fresh. It may be as much as 60 percent seeds by weight. Consumers find it a reliable way of getting high, although some complain that it is harsh on the throat and makes them tired.
The finer varieties of Colombian can be divided into lights, darks, and reds. The lights include the highly respected Colombian golds, but not all grass that glitters is what it appears. Often, the color is produced by bleaching the marijuana in the sun, or even by an artificial agent. Connoisseurs say that the real test for gold is in the buds or clumps, which should reveal a "furriness"—that is, pollen clinging to the flowers and seed bracts. The golds tend to be stronger, sweeter, and less sleep-inducing than the browns.
The darks, or browns, are grown in the lowland plains, and their freshness can make the difference between commercial and connoisseur smoke. The most famous of the dark Colombians is Wacky Weed, a legendary variety said to make everything seem absurd. According to those who have smoked it, Wacky Weed is marijuana that has produced so much resin that it has stifled itself and died, which accounts for its occasional black color. Wacky Weed is no longer seen in the United States, but sophisticated smokers see a replacement in a similar if less potent variety known as Manizales Black.
Finally, there are the reds, the best known of which is Punta Roia ("red tip"). Almost tasteless but very high in THC, Punta Roja has a brownish-red flare on the tops of the leaves and red highlights on the buds. The reds have a reputation for being more spiritual or religious in their effect."

and this is from DJ Shorts article strain of yesteryear, but he does not comment any punto rojo, only colombian god:

" The color and cure were unique, and the aroma, flavor and high were equally so. The smell was that of sandalwood incense, almost like frankincense. The flavor was that of a peppery cedar. It was some of the most unique tasting herb in the world, and the high was just as exciting. It was truly psychedelic, powerful and long lasting.

First came the great flavor, then the stupefying awe of the shift in consciousness followed by a giddy excitement and bursts of joyous laughter. Smile-lock and red-eye made it painfully obvious who was under the influence of this great psychedelic herb."

 

[funkyhorse]

From this very interesting article http://www.psychedelic-library.org/high_culture11.htm written in 1987 according to this link https://books.google.com.uy/books/about/High_Culture.html?id=d7GsAAAACAAJ&redir_esc=y

Bullshit is certainly not a 21st century copyright. People at the 20th century in Usa were buying stories. And these guys are pros making a living on storytelling

Jones's suspicion is borne out in a story told by an enterprising smoker who once found himself with a pound of relatively weak Mexican, and no interested buyers. He spread the word that he had just received a shipment of rare "Korean Green." Although nobody, including the man who was offering it, had ever heard of Korean Green, its appeal to smokers was enormous, and the marijuana was quickly sold to eager customers, most of whom couldn't wait to buy more.
"People want a story," claims a dealer in New York, "so sometimes you have to give them one":

A while back some beautiful Mexican stuff came in. People wanted to know what it was. I told them it was from Rosie's in Yucatan. Who was Rosie, they asked. I said that Rosie used to run a whorehouse in Mexico City, and when she got older, she retired to her family's country home in Yucatan. She has a couple of acres in the back of the house, and she tends to her plants every day. It's the most beautiful pot in the world.
Another time we had some pretty ordinary grass from Colombia. We baked it in the oven with some cloves. We called it Peruvian Temple Grass, and people really got off on the cloves. We told them that this was used by the Indians of Peru in religious ceremonies, and that they burned special spices and exotic mushrooms next to the marijuana during the curing process.

here the author of the article himself aknowledges he cant recognize shit by the time he wrote the book, it is all based on reports of third parties and added painted stories

I myself used to be able to tell where a given sample was from, but now that's getting harder, as there's so much pot from different seed origins being grown in California and elsewhere in America

And the list is impressive, some stuff are clearly inventions like brazilian, bolivian
In South America Punto Rojo was the generic name for colombian weed. The same for paraguayan.

Specific Varieties​

Experienced smokers enjoy listing the varieties of marijuana they have tried, or would like to try, and during the course of my research I heard mention of the following imported varieties: Acapulco Gold (Mexico), Amazonas (Colombia), Bermudian, Black Gungeon (India), Blue Sky Blond (Col.), Bolivian, Brazilian, Orange Colombian, Colombian Gold, Colombian Mona, Colombian Red, Colombian Red Gold, Colombian Chiba, Stickless Colombian, Colombian Multicolored, Culiacan (Mex.), Guadalajara Green, Guatemalan, Guerrero Gold (Mex.), Guerrero Green, Hawaiian Blue, Honduran, Jamaican Blue Mountain, Kali (Jamaica), Kauai (Hawaii), Kerala Grass (Ind.), Kona Gold (Haw.), Kona Green, Leper Grass (Haw.), Llanos Green (Col.), Machu Picchu (Peru), Mad Jag (Haw.), Malawian, Manizales Black (Col.), Maui (Haw.), Maui Wowie, Mauna Loa (Haw.), Michoacan (Mex.), Misawan Gold (Japan), Misawan Purple, Molokai Magic, Nayarit Yellow (Mex.), Nepalese, Nicaraguan, Nigerian Black, Oahu (Haw.), Oaxacan (Mex.), Oaxacan Red, Panama Red, Popo Oro (Mex.), Pueblo (Mex.), Puna Butter (Haw.), Punta Roja (Col.), Santa Marta Gold (Col.), Santa Marta Red, Sinaloan (Mex.), Sumatran, Thai, Torreon Violet (Mex.), Venezuelan, Vietnamese, Wacky Weed (Col.), Yucatan (Mex.), Zacatecas Purple (Mex.).
It is said that the best marijuana in the world is grown in Lebanon but is rarely smoked because the plants are made into hashish.
When it comes to varieties, the possibilities are endless, and American growers are continually developing new combinations. One grower proudly showed me a ninth-generation Red-Lebanese Gold-Colombian hybrid she had cultivated in Santa Cruz County. "I know it's not very pretty," she told me. "But I didn't grow it to look at. I grew it to smoke."

My question is this:
Are the people who never smoked colombians the ones to describe how colombians smoked or should be the oldtimers who smoked real Punto Rojo back in the 70s and 80s the ones whi should explain how it smoked and looked?
I was a teenager in the 80s. The high of the weed was unmistakable. It was drug quality
So yes, those articles are real true documents of the amount of rampant bullshitting going on in the canna world since the 70s at least

Now if you compare the Colombian Black I grew from GGG with Thais, dont waste your time, grow thai
If you compare the Colombian Black I grew from TLT with pure Thai, dont waste your time, grow thai

This is what the author of this very interesting document was commenting on the 80s about thai:

Marijuana from Thailand is sometimes described as "off the ground and climbing" and is noted for the clarity of thought it produces. Thai grass is said to be good for introspection and for solving problems, although some users find it leads to a frustrating assault of too many viewpoints at once.
Thai marijuana is generally sold in small sticks, but "Thai stick" has become a generic term, and not all fine buds tied to a stick come from Thailand. Connoisseurs complain that "Thai stick" has become a meaningless phrase and that even genuine Thai marijuana is not what it used to be.

But this article author didnt smoke it himself, he is just commenting others experiences from then 70s 80s including the storytelling. Can we really take his opinion as objective or subjective?

The same goes for DJ, he is in the business of selling books and selling strains. You can see in his description of colombian red he didnt smoke it and he is inventing things like lowland Brazil, why should I trust he really smoked what he is describing?
I honestly would think the oldtimers that have been attacked their memories by youngsters telling them they are old farts and dont remember shit are the ones who carry the knowledge and because of these childish attitudes they wont come to post nor deliver their knowledge.
South americans dont post here nor anywhere, they dont write in english and people have families and a life. When people trying to deliver knowledge get their respect smashed, most of the times they will never come back and we are all losing, nobody earns shit
Have a nice evening everybody

 

[flylowgethigh]

Where are the Punta Rojo landrace seeds the 'strain hunters' got off that mountain? Did those guys ever do anything with the genetics they scavenged?

What about 'candybar'?

 

[MAHA KALA]

The same goes for DJ, he is in the business of selling books and selling strains. You can see in his description of colombian red he didnt smoke it and he is inventing things like lowland Brazil, why should I trust he really smoked what he is describing?
I honestly would think the oldtimers that have been attacked their memories by youngsters telling them they are old farts and dont remember shit are the ones who carry the knowledge and because of these childish attitudes they wont come to post nor deliver their knowledge.
South americans dont post here nor anywhere, they dont write in english and people have families and a life. When people trying to deliver knowledge get their respect smashed, most of the times they will never come back and we are all losing, nobody earns shit
Have a nice evening everybody

your only knowledge is memory when you were smoking some colombian brickweed when you was teenager.
I have to inform you that any teenager can get very high on any mediocre weed LOL,
and now you cant find any weed like that, but what changed in fact is your body chemistry by 40 years of life, your body is 40 years older and will never feel anything like teenagers body can do. and such teenagers experience is knowledge?
DJ Short has definitely more credibility than you and few years of working cannabis behind him, what is your work with cannabis except of few smoking experiences when you were teenager and 2 years of growing cannabis?

I think that if you are able to look to that article - it is only informative article, you are able to look to the notes and references and you can clearly see that there is information used from books and articles from 1974 to 1979. including the Marijuana Research Project of the National Institute on Drug Abuse as source. so the fact you prefer your teenager experience over research like that talks itself for credibility and "knowledge" of your words. teenagers memories are not knowledge and never was LOL. that article has more truth value that any of your useless long posts.

nobody denies that those names were invented, but that doesn't say anything about imported weed itself. poor argument.

statement that people from USA have no clue about colombian weed is nonsense on its own.... as there were huge import of it... like article says accurately, most of it was seeded second grade, but from time to time they scored first grade. while you as teenager could easily smoke some third grade and get high as kitty simply due to fact you were... drums... teenager... prove it is not true! hah you cant as it is 40 years old foggy memory...

you just want to argue like little teenager about nothing.

 

[Roms]

You are right Funkyhorse i agree with you, take it easy and trust your feelings. it will be way more interesting for cannabis community and cannabis itself than the American sketch and unclear or false blablabla confusion since fivety years.

Maha Kala please make pause with your modern Hazes and grow pure landraces from South Asia to Africa then you will better understand what pure sativa divas are really and what old Colombian or Mexican were, from spiritual Gold without celling to Red heartbeat hallucinogenic to answer the question of this thread.

Whether you're a teenager or an old man, it doesn't make a difference when you experiment this kind of oldschool potency. The best memories are engraved for life and that's what olders say to me when they grow and smoke my work and refound their teenage feelings about Thai, Mazari. Jamaican or Swazi That's not imagination or assumptions but real experience i mean.

Kenavezo

 

[willydread]

Don't be brutal, Maha, basically he didn't say anything bad or new ...
I don't know what DJ Short knows for sure and tried, and I wasn't even a sperm in 1970, but it's no mystery that a lot of the weed that was running in the US (but also here in the EU) wasn't what it was supposed to be, a lot Hawaiian was Mexican of excellent choice, very Colombian came from Paraguay and let's not talk about Jamaican sativa grown in other islands ...
For the rest it is true, many of those who were there do not remember much (or do not want to remember), it must have been an intense and interesting period to live.

 

[yesum]

Fair points by Maha Kala but not the end of the story. People that were past teen years and had smoked a lot for years have some of the same stories. I am looking for trip weed to equal what I had at 17 and nothing is quite as good but I am getting closer. Most in the 60's and 70's never got the good stuff and still got very high, true.

 

[RingtailCanyon]

CBG Punto Rojo and CBG Mangobiche are both very nice and pleasurable. I get different colors from them. Magenta, golden brown, green.

Are they the same as the 60's version?... I don't know and can't compare. It's like asking which one is better Ali or Tyson? Not really possible to match up. Both can knock you out.

 

[troutman]

The main reason the old Sativas are harder to find is cause kids
today cry if they try to flower anything longer than 10 weeks.

 

[@hempy]

Colombian Gold - Has a clean very strong trippy high.

Colombian Red - Has a strong trippy high but with a tough of stone to it.

They also look very different to each other.

This is the simplest way to describe the differences.

They are still in the hands of some growers.

 

[Gry]

First and most impressive that I ever had was Punto Rojo, but I did dearly love the gold as well, and recall the black as well.
Then later it sort of evolved into the more mundane brown Columbian.
When they first came round, they were simply spectacular, and even with the passage of time,
Columbian cannabis does remain as a favorite.
In reading the description, they spoke of red bud as being almost tasteless. I do not recall it that way at all, the stuff was like
something right out of the spice rack, it was filled with flavor and taste.

 

[Tangwena]

But this article author didnt smoke it himself, he is just commenting others experiences from then 70s 80s including the storytelling. Can we really take his opinion as objective or subjective?
The same goes for DJ, he is in the business of selling books and selling strains. You can see in his description of colombian red he didnt smoke it and he is inventing things like lowland Brazil, why should I trust he really smoked what he is describing?
I honestly would think the oldtimers that have been attacked their memories by youngsters telling them they are old farts and dont remember shit are the ones who carry the knowledge and because of these childish attitudes they wont come to post nor deliver their knowledge.
South americans dont post here nor anywhere, they dont write in english and people have families and a life. When people trying to deliver knowledge get their respect smashed, most of the times they will never come back and we are all losing, nobody earns shit.
@funkyhorse
Thats the difference between collecting information and collecting memories I go for the second every time.
Give me someone who was there a did it himself over book learners any day of the week haha.
The amount of hype and pure marketing is on par with Hollywood movies haha.

 

[yesum]

On DJ, he had his experiences and others had theirs. I remember Colombian as having a cedar smell and the taste was incense, opposite of what DJ said. Some other things he says I or others had different experiences with those strains.

I just smoked some Laos Highland 2 from RSC and it is better than the Colombian Gold I had in '79, and that stuff was highgrade not the regs. The best I had was Mexican likely and not hyped at all. Sad to say I have no seeds of it. I do have what Snow calls Michoacan, and it is identical to what I had in '74.

There are foggy memories and nostalgia and fresh teen brains getting loaded the first few times. There are also fresh/clear memories of highs that were beyond most anything you can get today, rare as they were for me at least. No need to get angry here that is clear to me. Just smoke and memories or lack of them. hehe

I had Hawaiian in '85 that would cause visual disturbance, solid lines going wavy, well beyond my teen years. I am skeptical of those that say they smoked Panama Red, Acapulco Gold etc. and say it was weak compared to modern lines. Or even those that smoked it and tripped out all the time on supposed highgrade stuff. The crazy stuff was rare for me and dealers would call Colombian Red, Punto Rojo, Panama Red or anything to make a sale. AG was the same.

Modern lines in general have more thc by genetics and also careful handling after growing. No doubt. The good or great Mexican lines for me were not 1 or 2 hit wonders. I still prefer those highs though.

 

[yesum]

On the Punto Rojo. I never had it or knew of anyone that did. It was a tiny fraction of the total output of pot from Colombia. A dealer would get a pound or two and save all he could for himself. He would then call his friends and family and offer them the rest of it to buy. If you were not in that small circle you would get none.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

On DJ, he had his experiences and others had theirs. I remember Colombian as having a cedar smell and the taste was incense, opposite of what DJ said. Some other things he says I or others had different experiences with those strains.

I just smoked some Laos Highland 2 from RSC and it is better than the Colombian Gold I had in '79, and that stuff was highgrade not the regs. The best I had was Mexican likely and not hyped at all. Sad to say I have no seeds of it. I do have what Snow calls Michoacan, and it is identical to what I had in '74.

There are foggy memories and nostalgia and fresh teen brains getting loaded the first few times. There are also fresh/clear memories of highs that were beyond most anything you can get today, rare as they were for me at least. No need to get angry here that is clear to me. Just smoke and memories or lack of them. hehe

I had Hawaiian in '85 that would cause visual disturbance, solid lines going wavy, well beyond my teen years. I am skeptical of those that say they smoked Panama Red, Acapulco Gold etc. and say it was weak compared to modern lines. Or even those that smoked it and tripped out all the time on supposed highgrade stuff. The crazy stuff was rare for me and dealers would call Colombian Red, Punto Rojo, Panama Red or anything to make a sale. AG was the same.

Modern lines in general have more thc by genetics and also careful handling after growing. No doubt. The good or great Mexican lines for me were not 1 or 2 hit wonders. I still prefer those highs though.

Some bad a#s mexican still about from mid to late 60's...Yields like crap though...but leves the room stinking of incense...has a sort of cedary orangey taste bit hard to describe...but is potent to f##k...you dont have to use much at all but hits hard...just like you say

 

[Rocky Mtn Squid]

Maui Wowie Sativa Pheno........

RMS

 

[Im'One]

in the seventies I.smoked.Columbian gold.and red. Much preferred red but only found it a couple.of times
COlumbian gold was ubiquitous and cerebral ...I tended.to.think.way...too much when smoking it.
Red was a serene spiritual one with nature kind of high for.me just being...and loving it.
But yes Thai stick was the bomb ..only smoked once though.

 

[Rocky Mtn Squid]

Acapulco Gold Live Resin

Thai Sativa Live Resin

RMS

 

[yesum]

in the seventies I.smoked.Columbian gold.and red. Much preferred red but only found it a couple.of times
COlumbian gold was ubiquitous and cerebral ...I tended.to.think.way...too much when smoking it.
Red was a serene spiritual one with nature kind of high for.me just being...and loving it.
But yes Thai stick was the bomb ..only smoked once though.

I found the Gold to be too much like caffeine, not enough trip or euphoria. The red was ok, stony but not real fun I guess. The green was serene and the best. I know I rhymed but it fits too. I had Thai stick but never got to smoke it, hehe. Cops smoked it or I hope it was not trashed. So how was the Thai? I just smoked some Laos from RSC and it took me way into high altitude at great speed. Like a SR-71 Blackbird flying at 85,000 feet at 2200 mph. I would think the Thai from then was similar?