Cloning problems...

[514-Represent]

Hey,

First of all, just wanted to say thank you to everyone who has contributed to this forum. It's one of the best if not THE BEST on the internet.


A friend of mine is growing hash plant and has been having problems with the cloning aspect to horticulture. He's taking cuttings from an almost three month old plant that's under a 400w HPS light. Cuts, puts on the rooting powder, and plants in jiffy cubes under a dome with a heating pad. It usually takes him about 5-10 days to see roots springing out from the cubes.

The problem is this... last week he woke up and spotted a clone with roots popping out. Before then he had been successful with four clones but when he placed this one under the 400 w (about 15-20 inches away) it bent over and looked seriously dead.

The next day came and another clone was ready. He planted it but this time it held together perfectly.

The next day another one rooted and the exact same problem happened to him: it looked lifeless and dead and was shriveled.

My question to all your pros here is why are some clones taking great under the 400w while others seem to wilt?



Thank you all very much for the time and I hope I can go back to him with some good information.

Cheers!!!

 

[Guest]

howdy

not sure why the one takes off and the other wont.

could be that the roots developed enough. also please dont just stick the clones right under the 400watter, this will shock them if they havent been under it while rooting.

they should be rooted under a flo, then once the roots are doing good then put them under the big light but at the far edges then after a few days move them closer under the light.

also feed them fish emlu the 1st feeding about 1/2tsp-1tsp per gallon distilled water.

one thing i noticed going from a 400watter to a 600w light, i have had a harder time with clones starting after going to the 600w bulb vs the 400watter. think it takes them longer to adjust to the lower light levels.

hope this helps

zigg

 

[514-Represent]

Thanks for the time buddy.

It's just bizarre because some were placed 15 inches under the 400w and did great while others wilted. He placed a new rooted clone (about two weeks old) 44inches under the 400w and the same problem happened.

Yet... a couple days ago he put one 20 inches under the light and not one sign of problems...

Bizarre...

Fish Emlu? Does that help the roots develop properly?

Thanks again for the time.

 

[Dan42nepa]

two things... i wouldnt use jiffy cubes for cuttings... with seeds its too acidic at least for my seeds. I use vermiculite. The second thing is the lights are probably too strong. I would keep them under fluros until well rooted and ready to transplant. There is a thread on here about making a cloner out of an ice cube tray for ice cubes for bottled water. I made it and used vermiculite for the soil media and had 100 percent success for 22 cuttings. Just a suggestion.

 

[514-Represent]

Dan42nepa,

"Keep them under fluros until their well rooted"

What do you mean well rooted? Number of days?

Vermiculite - 25%
Soil - 75%

or just straight vermiculite?

Thanks for the help.

 

[Guest]

howdy

the fish food is for the first feeding after the roots are started and at the bottom of the cup. i use the same stuff on seedlings for there 1st feeding as well. it just gives them food.

damn son those are big clones lol i thought you was dealing with cuttings that just rooted, not full plants lol

my cuttings when i take them is about 3.5'' long top to bottom.

what size light are they cloned under?

i have a sharkk that is a mom i have been revegging when the main light is on
its under that and when its off it goes under the 4 bank flo, now you wouldnt think the plant would droop but it does for a few hours till it adjusts to the light output amount and perks back up. so i think it works both ways.

i would raise the light up some to see if it helps and start them at the edges of the light pattern till they adjust then they should be ok the next day to put right under the light.

one other thing are the pots wet or dry when you put them under the light.

zigg

 

[514-Represent]

Hey Zigg,

I think you misunderstood my previous post. My clones are about 3.5inches as well.

They're rooted under a 6000lumen CFL.

The clones are placed in a styrofoam cup with holes punctured at the bottom for water draining. The jiffy cubes get dropped in there and surrounding by soil but he doesn't usually water the soil until they need it.

Any ideas?

Thanks again.

 

[Maj.PotHead]

Dan42nepa,

"Keep them under fluros until their well rooted"

What do you mean well rooted? Number of days? @ least few days - 1wk if lighting is too strong they'll eat themselves alive not enough roots yet

Vermiculite - 25%
Soil - 75%

or just straight vermiculite? are you aware this retains water and dose a time release when the plants roots need it i would use perlite and i would use 50-50 soil perlite. lately i use fox farm ocean forrest right outta the bag

Thanks for the help.

What do you mean well rooted? Number of days? @ least few days - 1wk if lighting is too strong they'll eat themselves alive not enough roots yet


or just straight vermiculite? are you aware this retains water and dose a time release when the plants roots need it i would use perlite and i would use 50-50 soil perlite. lately i use fox farm ocean forrest right outta the bag.

heres a sticky on cloning by JJ http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=46778

 

[514-Represent]

Maj,

Well rooted = 7-10 days and multiple roots springing out of the cubes.

I've read that clone guide before... it's great and I learnt a lot from it but I couldn't find any similar problems with what my friends is going through


Anyone familiar with Lambert soil? It contains Perlite AND vermiticulate. That's the stuff he's using.

 

[Maj.PotHead]

Maj,

Well rooted = 7-10 days and multiple roots springing out of the cubes.

I've read that clone guide before... it's great and I learnt a lot from it but I couldn't find any similar problems with what my friends is going through


Anyone familiar with Lambert soil? It contains Perlite AND vermiticulate. That's the stuff he's using.

hum honestly i use either 54w in singel bulb fluros 2x17w 1x20w or a few lower wattage cfl's only untill i see them start the growth spurt then i hit em with 205w in mixed color cfl's . currently i have 2 grape krush and 1 sugar shack clones off to the side of the 205w and thier doing so so, i'll move them along side my bonsai mums under the 54w in fluros. in 3-5 days they'll be doing great and i'll place em under the 205w again, in my experince if i allow the clone to establish in the soil a few days then slam em with higher wattage they do just fine. my soil is fox farm ocean forrest right out of the bag hopefully your friend will figure this out

 

[Guest]

howdy
yup your right i did miss read your post. opps

lets see he's going from 6000 lumens to what a 400 what bulb puts out- thats what 40-50,000 lumens, and to top it off the spectrum of the light, no dought has changed. 15-22 '' away

hhmmmm

1. the spectrum change alone will stress a plant.

2. that big of a jump im lumens will stress a plant.

3. the distance is to close to soon.

when you add 1,2 and 3 up you get stress, whice is what your seeing. your soil is fine if the plants arent showing nutes problems before hand, if they are then add that to the list.

i never toss my clones right under the main light, the 400 or the 600 light i keep the 400 for back up. i always work them under, most times its a 3 day process some times 4 depends on the clones im working with at that time, the more you work with the same plants as clones you learn what ya can do and cant.

if you want a good starter soil go to home depot and get a bag of promix no nutes and phed, start the clones in water or how ever you do them and put them in the pro mix after roots are going and water, the next day give them fish emlu for the first feeding. its kept out in the garden center in 2 or 3cu/ft compressed bags.

that's my 2 cents hope it helps.....

zigg

 

[514-Represent]

Alright... thanks for taking the time for that write up...

1. The clone was put back into the dome and came back to life quickly. However, it now has a light orange rusting on the borders of each top leaf... any ideas what might be causing this?

2. How can he integrate the damaged clone into the 400w without hurting it?

Thank you...