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cloning foliar sprays
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id leave the light schedule at 24hrs....
if it were me id make sure that the conditions are ideal.
also, give everybody a little more info on how you are cloning and what the conditions are like. little hard to help with this without the proper information.
i dont see them getting green again. essentially when youre cloning. you have already taken away their ability to absorb anything through the roots. so you are relying on what the plant you took them from had available and what they can absorb through the leaves.
but make sure your environment is proper.
if it were me id make sure that the conditions are ideal.
also, give everybody a little more info on how you are cloning and what the conditions are like. little hard to help with this without the proper information.
i dont see them getting green again. essentially when youre cloning. you have already taken away their ability to absorb anything through the roots. so you are relying on what the plant you took them from had available and what they can absorb through the leaves.
but make sure your environment is proper.
do you have them in open air, or under a humidity dome?
i somewhat agree with whodare.
but in my opinion i would not just immediately give them fresh air.
mist the dome really well, then just prop it open slightly. then gradually open the gap bigger and bigger over time, to eventually give them full fresh air.
i just like to ensure im causing them as little stress as possible, to aid their rooting process.
and im sure that all of us in reply are trying to say that you shouldnt need to mist them really with anything but water when you initially put them under the dome.
you could try just a tiny bit of liquid seaweed and water.
but in my opinion i would not just immediately give them fresh air.
mist the dome really well, then just prop it open slightly. then gradually open the gap bigger and bigger over time, to eventually give them full fresh air.
i just like to ensure im causing them as little stress as possible, to aid their rooting process.
and im sure that all of us in reply are trying to say that you shouldnt need to mist them really with anything but water when you initially put them under the dome.
you could try just a tiny bit of liquid seaweed and water.
Nitrogen can delay the rooting process but you do need it.I like to veg formula & about 3-5 days before taking cuttings I'll feed with a formula as P & K help promote root growth.
My preffered method is to buy a 72 compartment seed tray,Rapid Rooter plugs,a tray w/o holes which holds the 72 compartment seed tray and a little water (to aide in humidity) and a 7" humidity dome with vents that can be opened and closed to maintain proper humidity while allowing FAE (fresh air exchange).Pre-soak your RR plugs with plain ph'd water and squeeze until just a few drops escape as you want a field capacity you dont want the medium to be too wet or else you get stem rot as well as cut out oxygen in the intended root zone.With this method you should have visible roots coming out of the RR plugs within 5-7 days,actual rooting process should begin in 3-5 days.
Bubble cloners work good too,just don't let any light get inside,roots like the dark also light can cause algae to grow and then you get nasty slimy roots.
My preffered method is to buy a 72 compartment seed tray,Rapid Rooter plugs,a tray w/o holes which holds the 72 compartment seed tray and a little water (to aide in humidity) and a 7" humidity dome with vents that can be opened and closed to maintain proper humidity while allowing FAE (fresh air exchange).Pre-soak your RR plugs with plain ph'd water and squeeze until just a few drops escape as you want a field capacity you dont want the medium to be too wet or else you get stem rot as well as cut out oxygen in the intended root zone.With this method you should have visible roots coming out of the RR plugs within 5-7 days,actual rooting process should begin in 3-5 days.
Bubble cloners work good too,just don't let any light get inside,roots like the dark also light can cause algae to grow and then you get nasty slimy roots.
moonymonkey
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im not sure about this,but read if u put that cloning jell up on the sides,of stems,they wont form roots there,only if u put it on bottom only..i had som trouble wen i tred swithching over from powder.not sure if it was that.im not sure if this is afects cloning in water cultures,if its true.maybe someone can comment...peace mm/
benzo
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Thats a good question. Whenever I had to much cloning powder on the stem sides I wouldn't see any roots..
OP, sounds like your trouble is A: not a healthy mom, or B: to much light, not hours per day but intensity. The plants might be going to root very fast, yellowing is a sign they are getting ready to root alot of times, but it could also mean to much light and they are using the energy for new growth. The quickest I have seen roots is less then 5 days.
I love the extra cloning gel on the sides of the stems, makes my cloner all bubbly and I get good results.
I love the extra cloning gel on the sides of the stems, makes my cloner all bubbly and I get good results.
moonymonkey
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you can do a search on google,for cloning gel users,and find som posts on problems while using it and one of the threads is here at icmag...pk is right on the money,you have to elimante the basic factors,before you can blame gel..i just was geting sloopy...low lighting..would still like to get some more replies......peace mm/um cinnamon rollszzzzz
moonymonkey
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theres a thread over in the growers forms,i just replied to by far the best rooting gel,powdwer,tec..i ever used..by krunch bubble..werehe mentions trouble while using the clone gel....mm/feeling hamish happay thanksgiving++
moonymonkey
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ok....seems the problem is with diping the clone in bottle,an geting too much on it..keeping it from geting oxygen,acording to article by advanced nutrients http://www.articlesbase.com/gardeni.....my computer skills suk..bare with me..peace
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yeah, the stuff krunch was referring to is a powder and not a gel
...which is why i like to mix it with some honey
...you should also NEVER just dip your clones in your bottle of rooting hormone, ESPECIALLY if you use a gel, doing that is the BEST way to cross-contaminate your hormone.
...note the container i use to mix the powder with the honey, it's from an old ph test kit and is perfect for dipping cuts, tall and narrow, so if you use gel, find something similar and only use, and contaminate, a small portion of your gel at a time.
cloning is a skill that often requires many failures to aquire and when learning this skill it's important to not be discouraged by your failures, ...failure is your best teacher.
there are many ways to clone, some more complicated than others and so require a more experienced eye, PuReKnOwLeDgE's picture for example is obviously a VERY productive and successful cloning op but if you have a smallish garden then you might want to consider a more passive approach.
...here's an example of a passive cloner that requires no pumps or humidity domes, fits 27 cuts in a shoe box sized container, costs almost nothing to create or to run, operates with an almost 'put and forget' simplicity AND routinely produces over 90% rooted clones.
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...which is why i like to mix it with some honey
...you should also NEVER just dip your clones in your bottle of rooting hormone, ESPECIALLY if you use a gel, doing that is the BEST way to cross-contaminate your hormone.
...note the container i use to mix the powder with the honey, it's from an old ph test kit and is perfect for dipping cuts, tall and narrow, so if you use gel, find something similar and only use, and contaminate, a small portion of your gel at a time.
cloning is a skill that often requires many failures to aquire and when learning this skill it's important to not be discouraged by your failures, ...failure is your best teacher.
there are many ways to clone, some more complicated than others and so require a more experienced eye, PuReKnOwLeDgE's picture for example is obviously a VERY productive and successful cloning op but if you have a smallish garden then you might want to consider a more passive approach.
...here's an example of a passive cloner that requires no pumps or humidity domes, fits 27 cuts in a shoe box sized container, costs almost nothing to create or to run, operates with an almost 'put and forget' simplicity AND routinely produces over 90% rooted clones.
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and as has already been said, you need almost NO light to root clones, here's a couple pics of my clone box which was designed originally to have a single 55watt PL-L over the cloners but, as it turned out, the light from that bulb was un-needed and the heat was too close to the cloners so now my cloning is completely passive, ...i passively warm the bins with heat from the lower bulbs and i only use reflected light to root.
here you can see the upper bulb which hasn't been used since the box was 2 weeks old.
...and here you can see one cloner up top and some newly rooted clones establishing themselves before up-potting.
anyway, cloning isn't all that difficult, ...if you stick with it and you don't give up then you are guaranteed success.
bozo
and as has already been said, you need almost NO light to root clones, here's a couple pics of my clone box which was designed originally to have a single 55watt PL-L over the cloners but, as it turned out, the light from that bulb was un-needed and the heat was too close to the cloners so now my cloning is completely passive, ...i passively warm the bins with heat from the lower bulbs and i only use reflected light to root.
here you can see the upper bulb which hasn't been used since the box was 2 weeks old.
...and here you can see one cloner up top and some newly rooted clones establishing themselves before up-potting.
anyway, cloning isn't all that difficult, ...if you stick with it and you don't give up then you are guaranteed success.
bozo
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