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Clones vs seeds/Finish dates

D.S. Toker. MD

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Hi fellow gardeners. Help me to understand:

I grew 2 packs of sensi star this year. With 1 pack i just sprouted the seeds and planted the plants.I grew the other pack out and found 2 nice phenos to clone. I now have 8 seed plants and 10 clones growing outdoors

In every instance, the clones have marble sized buds and are in full bloom. The seed plants started into flower by aug 1 and showed several female flowers, but they truly just started, whereas the clones are much further along. and will clearly finish first?????

I have read several times that the longer a plant grows and recieves light, the later it will start to flower but thats not what i see in reality.

Who knows the real dirt here????? Do clones always finish before seeds??????. Does the strain matter???
 

D.S. Toker. MD

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It was natural daylight sunwukong. I took the cuttings from a plant that i started in late feburary. I took them in early april, rooted them in a aerocloner under 24 hrs and then set them outdoors once there were enough roots to put them in soil. They have grown fine but i dont usually see flowers until the first of august and all of the clones had small buds by the end of july.
 
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jwop

im no expert on the subject but i would assume it's due to the irregular light of the sun VS. the very regular light inside under 24/0

if you were growing the seed indoors along with the clones ... they would probably be very close to each other if not neck and neck

basically your outside plants are SLOWLY introduced to a flower schedule ... whereas your inside plants that you took outside were taken from 24 hour light to say 14 hours (just a guess depends on your location) immediately. Like BAMM!
 

jackel

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iv been growing clones outside with no problem for about 5 years. the trick to starting clones and growing them, is when u plant them outside. iv had no problem with clones flowering schedule when planted may 10th or later. planting them earlier can cause irregulerities in flowering.
 

caljim

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The cloned plants are more mature/older and primed to go into flower. The plants from seed , if not vegged for 8 weeks or more, are truely just ready to flower.

I say this based on a couple things. First----I have some moms that are clones of clones of clones of clones and those moms allthough kept under 24/0 lighting for years still want to push into flower by showing pistals. They are justing aching to flower out due to their age. When given 12/12 they jump into flower.

Secondly---I started some new genetics a few months back and the plants from seed that were only vegged for about four weeks ran for 70 days of flower to get to 90% cloudy/ 10% amber. The clones from those plants, that were put into flower as soon as they had roots finnished in 58 days.
:2cents:
 
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jwop

The cloned plants are more mature/older and primed to go into flower.

i don't understand how you came to the conclusion that a clone from a seed plant would be any more "mature/older" then the host it came from ...

one possible explanation would be when you take cuts to clone ... you are stressing the plant a great deal
the stress could have slingshot it into flower
 
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jwop

iv been growing clones outside with no problem for about 5 years. the trick to starting clones and growing them, is when u plant them outside. iv had no problem with clones flowering schedule when planted may 10th or later. planting them earlier can cause irregulerities in flowering.

i may be wrong ... but i'm pretty sure you can plant after the last frost of the year ... you can even plant earlier if you care for it correctly in a hotbox

the sun wouldn't cause any irregularities because that's exactly what the plant wants ... why would a plant stress out from the most important thing it needs to survive ... and if you plant that early it goes through a LONG vegetative state before flowering ... stress from that early in veg would in no way affect flower 5 months down the road
 

JITAMON

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I always thought that clones flower about a week faster than the seed mother. I could be wrong , but I have noticed that my clones will finish before my mothers:joint:
 
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jwop

I always thought that clones flower about a week faster than the seed mother. I could be wrong , but I have noticed that my clones will finish before my mothers:joint:

first i have ever heard of it ... they are genetic copies of each other ... technically speaking they should have the EXACT same flower time provided they were grown in the same conditions and the nutrient levels were identical in ratio to size and fed at the same frequency

seems like common sense to me ... but i could be wrong ... :joint:
 

Beautiful BC

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Were your seed grown plants germinated at the same time as the clone mothers? Clones "inherit" their maturity state from their mother, so after being rooted are sexually mature and immediately ready to flower, assuming the photoperiod outdoors is right to induce flowering.

Also, your clones could be from a faster finishing phenotype than any of your other seed grown plants.. just a thought.
 

sunwukong

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I had a way early flowering c99 x panama red plant this year. He went full flower around the second to third week in July. After spending some time in my patch in the afternoon, I noticed that this plant, in that location would fall under a shadow of a nearby tree, but the rest of the garden wouldn't. Maybe it caused my plant to flower early, and thats what happened with your clones?
It always seems clones from indoor gardens are the weirder plants regarding flowerring times outdoors. Hope I was helpful. Look on the bright side. Early outdoor nuggets that won't have to deal with the frost!
 

caljim

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i don't understand how you came to the conclusion that a clone from a seed plant would be any more "mature/older" then the host it came from ...

The clones were older when they went to flower....Clones taken from mother...mother goes to flower while the clones root and veg for a minute...therefore the clones are more mature than the mother when they hit 12/12.:nanana:
 

D.S. Toker. MD

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Thanks for the input guys.

JWOP, i think youre right, they would finish at the same time indoors under light.

Jackel, finishing faster is one irregularity i hope to repeat. Im trying to figure out if this happens regularly with all strains or whether its something ive done or the strain ive used.

Caljm, thats been my thinking too. Technically, the cuttings came from a plant that was started in feb while the seeds werent sprouted until April 1.

Jitamon, my clones came from plants different than the seed plants. I had 2 packs of seed. 1 i just planted and the other i grew out and picked the best 2 females. Both packs were purchased at the same time and came in the mail together..

Beautiful BC , thats my thinking. My clone mothers were selected from a pack i popped early Feb. The seed plants were started april 1. Cuttings and seed plants were all planted at the same time outside in the first week of may. Like you, I thought about phenos, but i see the same phenos in the pack grown from seed as i saw in the pack that i selected the 2 moms from. So the pheno's were pretty much the same in both packs even though they were grown a little differently.
 

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