clones not rooting after 8 days ph got unbalanced

[Guest]

hi guys, i got some clones, and i cut them and put them in ma rainforest t66 system for 8 days so far, and i cant see any roots...
I was out of home for 4 days, and when i came back the ph had passed from 6 to 7 or 7.5...and they developed some deficiencies on leafs...yellow and some dark brown as well...

apart from that, they not wilting and seem to be with a nice green...

some of the tips of the clones i cut are turning dark though....and no roots ar epopping...

is this normal, or i should be able to see roots at this point?

they were under a really bad fluoro light, but today i regulated ph again and got them under a 250 watt MH at 1 meter distance due to heat....


(for all this time the temps have been around 20/23cº)

thanks







the pics are old, that is only one of the deficiencies....will post more after i get ma cam

 

[Guest]

give them some more times. It takes me along time to root clones and they aren't in the best of shape when they do root. Once you get roots let them recoup and they will be great in a few weeks.

 

[Queso45]

I've noticed that when the clones start rooting, you will see the leaves start to turn yellow. This is the plant using its stored energy to convert it into making roots.

I think that the bigger your clone/cutting was, the more time it will take to root. This is because the plant has to use a lot more energy to keep all of the leaves alive... which leaves less energy for root making.

I would remove the 250 watt MH. Clones barely need any light to root. A few 25 watt CFLs is more than enough. And make sure your humidity is nice and high.

Hang in there, your roots will come out eventually.

 

[Guest]

but shouldnt i be seeing some signs of roots comming in?

the damn stems turned black/brown on the place they were cut....some of them, and i cant see nothing...no roots, no humps....no balls forming on surface..nothing lol...

its he first time i make clones :S so dont be too harsh lol...i never seen how this lil bastards work lol...when i saw the pics i see of rooted clones online they showed a pic in which they said was after a week, and they showed a rockwollcube with a clone sticked in it, and rootspopping everywhere :S

 

[FreezerBoy]

Roots can take two weeks. It took me at least 6 attempts to get my method down. Don't panic, it's just the learning curve. What works for some is disasterous for others.

That said, an unrooted plant can't use or support that much leaf material and will hurt itself trying. Same with too much light. I've found plants used to high humidity are loathe to give it up so, I never let them have any. I use a well vented dome the first night only. Next day the dome comes off and each cutting gets two drops of water on the growing tip. One in the morning, one at bedtime. If they want more than that, they have to find it themselves.

 

[Colt122]

but shouldnt i be seeing some signs of roots comming in?

the damn stems turned black/brown on the place they were cut....some of them, and i cant see nothing...no roots, no humps....no balls forming on surface..nothing lol...

its he first time i make clones :S so dont be too harsh lol...i never seen how this lil bastards work lol...when i saw the pics i see of rooted clones online they showed a pic in which they said was after a week, and they showed a rockwollcube with a clone sticked in it, and rootspopping everywhere :S

I opened a aero cloner up today that had 100 clones in it 12-14 days ago, some are like you described others are rooted, Im sure your will root soon enough, as for the dark cuts that IMO is from a dull cut, I use a razor not scissors with a thick cut, Sometimes I cut under water after I take the clone sometimes I dont. I havnt noticed any patterns. Usually I get a 95% rate off the cloner.
Is you air pump working?
Peace and good luck!

 

[MynameStitch]

I honestly don't think the pH adjusting is necessary when cloning and the clone has no roots, now when it gets stubs and roots yes it does need to be adjusted.
WHat water temps do you have them at? too cold of water thwarts them from growing roots, they don't like the cooler temps.

250 watt MH at 1 meter distance due to heat....

Waste, they don't need the bright light when they are rooting, use compact fluros, right now they are trying to generate roots, move the MH for now, the light does not need to be as close as if they had roots yet either.

Clones take in as much light as they need and the rest is wasted energy and wear and tear on equipment, compact fluros 2 or 3 should be enough.

 

[Guest]

hi guys thanks for the help, i was wondering if some seeds wouldnt be easier lol...

stich as far as ph goes, i found it strange too...but the clones showed a overdosage of magnesium when the ph got up even though they got no roots...thats why i saw the ph was high :S, but i fixed it right away...atm at steady 6

the temps were 20/23 with the fluoros, atm i got 25 with the mh...they seem more alive with this lightm, i would love to have 2 or 3 fluoros, but i only got a 22watt fluoro and it leaves the plants in the dark lol...(and i got no money to buy new ones either cause i barely had to sell ma body to buy this system LOL)

but maybe i put the week fluoro instead?

i dont have the airpump, just the spinning motor of the rainforest, but the airpump and the ec meter are next on ma priority list.

thanks

 

[MynameStitch]

stich as far as ph goes, i found it strange too...but the clones showed a overdosage of magnesium when the ph got up even though they got no roots...thats why i saw the ph was high :S, but i fixed it right away...atm at steady 6

Overdose of magneisum from pH rising? that does not make any sense, how did you come to this conclusion?

ust the spinning motor of the rainforest

What is this and do you have a picture?

How much water do you have in the cloner?
Roots will curly die when they grow, if they grow and not enough air, how can you grow without an airpump? Or how do you expect them to grow without one? I hope what you are using is good enough for all the water you have in there if there is a lot.....

Also, I would avoid growing hydro until you have an EC meter, the problem you are having now is simple compared to the problems you will have if you grow without one, you will not know how much nutrients the plants remove from the water and thus you will end up burning them. You also need a pH pen and need to check on it daily.

If there is a lot of magneisum in your water, then you need to stop using tap water, hydro growers use RO water,because they have more control over there pH. Hard water also causes nutrients to not become absorbed properly and causes PPMs to fly out of hand.

Have you completely thought about growing hydro and the cost? In order to grow properly without problems you need to have at least ppm, ph meter water chiller and a good air pump and other things depending on what kind of hydrosetup you want to do.

Some one who does not have a lot of money should not grow hydro, because water temps you did not list what the water temps of your cloner is now...... when they get bigger they HAVE to have cooler temps, otherwise you get root rot and low DO levels....

If you are having money problems that bad, I would avoid going with hydro at all costs, if you want benefits of growing hydro, then grow in some coco or something else.... but dude seriously, think about it, chillers cost big $$ and if your having money problems now..... if you run into a problem you may not be able to afford to fix the problem to get your plants back on track... so please think about all this before you jump into it, cause I hate to see peeps get to the middle of something and not be able to fix it because they can't or have little money to fix the problem

 

[Guest]

wussup guys, i just got roots on all clones, 100% efficiency

the rainforest motor of ma system, is a sprinkler which vaporizes water, actually its not a hydro system, but a aeroponic system...

the pump is something that spins so fast insisde the container that water vaporizes.

i tought about going aero or not cause as ya know i was having huge trouble with soil, and it was everything just a big mess in ma room :S

so i saw this system and it was so easy and nice for ma conditions that i bought it, i was assured by ma grow salesman that it had everything i needed except for the ec meter...(ph meter and ph down included as well as ferts clay balls etc)

and im gonna buy a ec meter next month lol....since ma first grow im outta cash lol...but i always get ma stuff together lol, im gonna be a gourmet ganja grower


The magnesium thing about the ph i conclueded it cause i have a ph chart with nutrient takeover, and it says there that when the ph comes from 6 to 7 the mg absortion raises a lot, and the symptons on leafs were of mg intoxication :S...or maybe it was deficiency in nitrogen and i tought it was mg lol

but thanks for your worries, i know whats like having the whole thing screwed up and not beeing able to fix it lol....

bte the temps shouldnt be a problem as i only grow when the weather is cold....and smoke it when the weather is hot lol...

thanks alot guys

PS1:stich you da man!
PS2:here is ma motor http://www.hydroponic-shop.com/prod...d=434&osCsid=8fa65f2d8844a722a59c1b8855341960

 

[Guest]

sorry i forgot to say, i have 36 liter in ma container atm, even though ghe told me to put 50 liters of water inside (probably cause if spinning motor stops for some reason ma plants will only live if the roots are in contact with the water)

and the motor is the rainforest motor i gave the link, but ill add a water pump just in case, is cheap and if it can make a difference ill use it...even though the motor should keep all water with enough oxygen.


oh and i use a mix of waters, i used 1/3 tap water, 1/3 distiled water, and 1/3 mineral water with a ph of 5.6...

i read online that tap water ha some things that plants like, but reach a buffer ph capacity very high...and highly alcaline around here...about 7.5/8

on the other hand distiled water has almost no buffer capacity so the ph changes very qquickly...

mineral water must be picked nicely to avoid high sodium levels...but for exchange has a low ph and also things that plants like as well as a low buffer capacity

this way ma ph gets more steady, and different kinds of nutes are available...and i dont have pour the entire ph down inside the thing to lower the ph lol...


do ya think it would be better to use only distiled water and mineral watter?

 

[MynameStitch]

Mineral water will cause so many problems with your plants dude, sodium is taked up before any other nutrient and will lock out and stunt your plants so quick it's like a bullet hitting a Kevlar vest.

So if you want, if you use distilled water or RO water, you MUST get cal mag or something else you can use for micro nutrient supplement.

 

[Guest]

i got the whole flora series, the micro flora(purple one) is for micronutrients right?

i tought RO water was distiled water :S

 

[MynameStitch]

Ro water is like distilled, but it's filtration is a little different and the water is sat out longer before being bottled up.

RO passes through membranes which act as a very fine filter, filtrating fine particles and other contaminates out of the water. The membrane is very very small, which in turns also removing micronutrients from the water.
Where distilled is where they boil the water and condense the steam to form a pure form of water. All the other contaminates are put into a different container leaving the steam which turns to water in another container, thus getting the word "Distilled"
Distilled has nothing in it, no micros no nothing.

 

[Guest]

i found this data on a mineral water sold here and tap water from my city...in this case isnt the mineral water better as it appears to have a lower amount of sodium in it?

WATER:
MINERAL
TAP WATER

Energy (kcal)
0MINERAL
0TAP WATER

water (g)
99,9MINERAL
99,9TAP WATER


Calcium (mg)
0,3MINERAL
4,0TAP WATER

Magnesium (mg)
0,3MINERAL
0,5TAP WATER

Potassium (mg)
0MINERAL
0,2TAP WATER

Sodium (mg)
0,5MINERAL
2,0TAP WATER

 

[MynameStitch]

You don't want sodium PERIOD in any of your water, it harms them and it collects inside the plant like bad cholesterol.

MIneral water is used for drinking water by us and they add sodium as a taste additive and to balance a few things in the water.

If I were you I would not use it, otherwise you will end up stuntung your plants.

 

[Guest]

yes, i only asked it cause as it seems, my tapwater has more sodium in it than that one in particular :S

but i get it, the goal is 0 sodium :S hard to get without distiled water though :S

thanks