clones AHHHH!

[veen]

Hello. I have 40 some clones cut and in a flat with a dome and 2 20 watt flourescents... I have culled out 6 or 7 of them already and its on day 7 with 2 more seeming like they will need to be soon. The problem is below the soil line (or in this case coco) they look a little droopy above ground and below it is brown and jellyish (some sort of rot obviously) but I REALLY need to have these clones work, for the plants they come from were switched into flower 3 days ago!! I did all I thought I needed to do, following the almighty cervantes' methods... Clonex, coco, humidity dome, 45 degree cuts, kept in water.... ph'd water at 5.8.... heat mat and all!

Anyone have any magical clone advice I need to follow?!

Some experienced advice is CRUCIAL for me right now

Thanks!!

 

[lotowork777]

Mist them every two days and leave therm alone for 2 more weeks. I took 40 2 to 3 inch cuttings and that is how long they took. After you leave them alone for ten days they will root small roots less than a quarter of an inch so you haveto really baby them. Nothing over 500 ppm and nothing over 400 watts for an 18/6 schedrule. It took some of my clones 20 days to root less than a quarter inch. It was my first time with short cuttings. Just leave them alone , keep them 80-90 degrees. No shocks, like hot air or cold air. The more patience you have the more they will survive.

peace

 

[stinkyattic]

I leave my clones a hair cooler than that- I find that the rot sets in much over 82-83'F.
If you have persistent rot problems:
-Sterilize your trays/domes with a foaming bathroom cleanser and let it sit for 15 minutes before rinsing
-Switch to rapidrooters, whcih have been inoculated at the factory with beneficial bacteria. I used to get the jelly stem rot until I switched. They seem to work well for 'problem' cloning setups.

But I hate to be the bearer of bad news... once the rot sets in, you are nearly always SOL if it's on the main stem. If it's on just a petiole or 2, mist lightly (including the inside of the dome) with a solution of SMC leaf wash to encapsulate any spores and minimize spread.

If I were you, I'd run out and get a spankin' new prop setup, a sack of rapidrooters, and a bottle of dip-n-grow (contains a FUNGICIDE that gets sucked into the plant along with the hormone) and quick like a bunny take a few more 'insurance' cuttings in case yours fail.

 

[veen]

stinky.... great advice, rapid rooters... I may have to order those on the net huh? I live in the midwest so those things arent always at my disposal Would it hurt to take clones 5 days or so after being switched to flower? I wouldnt they would have switched over to flowering mode that quick?

Thanks again!!

 

[stinkyattic]

Believe it or not, they may root FASTER with the flowering hormones in full force... and 'faster' could help you beat the rot. In early flower, the plant is cranking out undifferentiated cells, and 'root' is one of the potential outcomes.
Just don't take the primary growing tip(s) of each plant... that will hurt your yield.

 

[veen]

Thanks alot man... thats good info... since your so full of it can I get a definitive answer on what part of the plant to take it from? I have heard exact OPPOSITE ways are the best... I swear some of those are typos or something!? so the bottom or top?

 

[iLLperception]

I think stinky was saying not to take the top since your plants are already in flower, you wouldn't want to take the main shoot since it will be your biggest bud, and the plant won't have time to create a nice new "main shoot" since it is no longer in veg.

So... since you are in flower I would take a cut from the bottom that is healthy but doesn't look like it will amount to much in the way of bud.

If you were still in veg my advice would be to take the healthiest most vigorous shoots as clones regardless where they are on the plant (assuming it's a mother that you aren't planning on flowering immediately).

So that's prob why you've heard conflicting advice! Hope this helps. I have about 5% success rooting in cubes, and 100% with bubble cloners... so take it all with a grain of salt anyway and find what works best in your environment!!!

 

[veen]

bubble cloners.... yes I have read a little into these, is yours home-made? I just really need to get a couple clones to turn into mothers, thats it... nothing crazy right now, just mothers then I will worry about trying to clone 40 at once I JUST NEED A MOMMY!!

 

[stinkyattic]

yeah, exactly what illperception said.
The shoots nearest the light have an ideal hormone concentration to really 'take off' after rooting, but in flower you don't want to yank your best cola site, so you look for the next best thing which is a shoot that has been exposed to the light and has a good bit of vigor, but won't be missed. And IMHO you should remove the entire branch- so if the ideal secondary shoots are side growth with like 8 nodes, you'll take that whole shoot back to its junction with a larger branch or the main stem, but only use like the last 4 nodes for your clone. That way you don't end up with a popcorn-y mess that would rival the the floor of a ghetto movie theater.
If you have any low growth, you might as well take that for clones too, again with the popcorn thing. I usually don't find myself with any since the last round of clones I make before flowering a 'retiring' mother is to remove all but the very most healthy and vigorous ~4-7 main tops from a plant to be flowered in a 3 gallon pot, and often chop the pruning waste up for clones. I figure if they strike, cool; if not, whatever; I just won't have to deal with all that scraggly popcorn, whcih can also fuck up air flow and lead to fungus.
And you're right... I am 'full of it'... hahaha heard THAT one a few times before And I'm a chiquita... lol!

 

[Buzz Lightyear]

Water the clones with a non systemic fungicide solution. Captan is an old fashioned broad spectrum fungicide that you can find easily. Try 2 teaspoons 50% captan per gallon of water. (Rate courtesy of NCSU horticulture)

 

[veen]

I'm sorry miss stinky... I should have picked up on the 'chiquita' part... sorry for the 'man' thing... and info is what I meant you were full of

A little female advice is the first for my little babies.. maybe they will pick up on that

 

[ThirdEyeVision]

Be careful with Clonex
This stuff is great - AS long as it's fresh - so be carefull.
How old is it?
was it in the fridge?
any non-fresh gel will turn your stems into mush with a quickness.

 

[veen]

wow, never heard that about clonex.... I just opened it after purchasing it about 3-4 months ago.. kept in a cool/dry place, never in direct light or over room temp...

 

[stinkyattic]

3 months is about how long it took for my first, and last, bottle of Clonex to fail... and I had also never heard it could go bad, but kept it in the fridge and never dipped in it anyway. STILL lost a couple runs of clones to that gooey stem rot before the local hydro shop guy gave me an old ass bottle of dip n grow that he had been using for the last few years... looked like it had been rolling around the floor of his truck for a while... but BINGO.
Dip n grow maaang.... that's the shit right there. Cheap, fungicidal, super concentrated, gets INSIDE the plant immediately, lasts for freakin EVER.

 

[bighogg]

i think i'm getting an internet 'crush' on her dankness!

someone who knows as much as me (and possibly more?) about cultivation?

smart women have always been a turn-on!

peace

 

[stinkyattic]

smart women have always been a turn-on!

And you are in luck, because my turn-on-du-jour is short bald men with a prediliction for bowties and bowler hats!

 

[bighogg]

ROFL

that's too bad, cause i'm more of the << tall pox marked underdog with a proclivity for capes>>, type.

 

[stinkyattic]

Oh so that's not you in the avatar then, shame.
lol
Capes are good though, as long as it's not a Dracula cape. And if you're a superhero, please no aquatic features, like scales or fins, and no excess body hair or teeth. Both turn-offs.

 

[Deft]

What you got against wolf men?

 

[stinkyattic]

Sorry man, it breaks several state statutes and at least one local ordinance to have intimate relations with canids. Gulo gulo, however, is non-resident locally and therefore not mentioned in any bylaws.