Clone Only??

[Big Deal]

Why does it seems all the elite strains are clone only??

Its a bit depressing to say the least

I'm not sure why none of the Chemdog and West Coast Kushes never found there way to Amdam. So we can all enjoy the genetics. Isn't that the goal??

Seems all the commerical banks only get lacking phenos of the Kushes. Better hopes for the Diesels (Looks Good Though.....thanx Rez!!)

Sorry I don't mean to sound negitive...I guess I just needed to vent a bit. Time to take my Meds :wink: ...

Sorry For Yelling

-Big Deal

 

[Guest]

Sprout enough seeds and you'll find a plant expressing elite qualities. It's just a matter of starting with some good genetics. I know I found one Apollo 11 G from Fet that could kick the ass of many of the elites I've smoked including Trainwreck, which I absolutely love by the way. Wish I saved a clone of that one. Another reason you don't see them is A-dam breeders are using all the same genetics and just repackageing them. I see alot more new strains and elite clones coming from California and Canada than A-dam. These places just have a bigger gene pool to select from and more growers/breeders with many decades of experience.

All the hype around these clones is what gets you craving it. A-dam is about 5 years behind the times here in the states and Canada. Even when they do get the kush or diesel in seed form its a cross where you just have to hope you get a good fem. The real gems will be found in the F2's. Rez has an excellent idea in stabilizing these clones in seed form and making them available to the public.

 

[growmatic]

Top notch herb is subjective--I would say elites are generally overrated and I've grown my fair share. I've found that select hazes can rival my elites in the potency department almost any day.

 

[Delta9-THC]

" Why does it seems all the elite strains are clone only?? "

the reason for elites being clone only is because theres no other way to get the exact genes to you ....
Except clone...
how could you get seeds from a single female plant? unless you hermie'd it or something......

I agree alot it hype but ... diesel is lovely ...aswell as cheese never had trainwreck .....

But what you really need to do is clone your favourite plants of your fav. smokes
that way you'll have the best of each selection .....

I agree and good vent ....

PEACE

 

[Big Deal]

So some of its just the "grass is always greener" theory...

I'm going to go out and get a book on breeding... Learn more... Maybe do a little of the work myself.

Can anyone say "Grape Diesel"

You guessed it! (SD IBL X GK)

-Big Deal

 

[sweetgreendream]

As already stated clone only means someone started SEEDS and found a keeper. Nothing more, nothing less. TrainWreck and all the other clone only strains are really seeds from another line, potentially crossed, that give excellent results. I wonder how many clone only strains are actually not crossed and just renamed versions of a known line.

 

[Guest]

Maybe someday there will be a safer way for us all to share. I know my state votes on med MJ the 27th of this month. So when that happens are any of you clone only holders gonna give up some clones for Med purposes ... probally not. Remember somebody gave it to you. Sharing is the only way to go. The only reason not to share is selfish and monetary reasons.

Better Daze ahead friends.

Mo,

 

[senseless]

i got some feminized og kush seeds from buds about a year ago. it probably happend when a commercial grower had a bunch of clones growing and diddnt notice a hermi. thats just what im guessing.
so far every harvest from those seeds has produced more potent bud than the parent.

 

[kushedout]

As already stated clone only means someone started SEEDS and found a keeper. Nothing more, nothing less. TrainWreck and all the other clone only strains are really seeds from another line, potentially crossed, that give excellent results. I wonder how many clone only strains are actually not crossed and just renamed versions of a known line.

What are you talking about? Clone only means just that CLONE ONLY, meaning no seeds are available and will not be available unless the breeder of the strain makes it available.

If I was to start a breeding experiment to come up with a new strain, it would be something like this. I would choose 2 strains, one for father and one for mother. Then pop 100-200 seeds of Strain A and the same with Strain B. Select 10-20 of the best males to be fathers and 10-20 of the best females to be mothers. The marriage of these mother and father plants becomes Strain C. What you have now is a completely new strain. At this point, you have your new Strain C and want to grow it out for your next batch of buds, you would obviously take clones of your very best female plant/s and grow those out. So the very best of the best end up being the new strain, and since clones are identical to the parent plants, breeders that don't bother with seed sales and what not don't bother making seeds of the new strain. So if you don't have the EXACT phenotypes he used for mother and father of his new Strain C, you will not have the real deal. This is why they say CLONE ONLY. Seeds are not available for that strain and most likely never will be. Especially the exotic kushes out on the market now. The only thing even close would be Selfed seeds and I won't even get into that one. Let's just say I wouldn't try growing with selfed seeds

 

[Big Deal]

What are you talking about? Clone only means just that CLONE ONLY, meaning no seeds are available and will not be available unless the breeder of the strain makes it available.

You mean to tell me all the seeds Chem popped so far were female??

-Big Deal

 

[Big Deal]

KushedOut- I see your point... If you have the means... clones can save you money,time, and space. This is where "who you know" out weighs "what you know".

Riddle me this Kushman: If you were to cross female "A" with male "B" to make strain "C" , would you get similar results crossing a male "A" with a female "B" or do one of the genders have dominate genes??

-Big Deal

 

[ogrefugee]

KushedOut- I see your point... If you have the means... clones can save you money,time, and space. This is where "who you know" out weighs "what you know".

Riddle me this Kushman: If you were to cross female "A" with male "B" to make strain "C" , would you get similar results crossing a male "A" with a female "B" or do one of the genders have dominate genes??

-Big Deal

until further lab testing is completed, there is no definite answer to that... but presumably yes. Hypothetically, some traits are more dominant in males, some in females. But it is not black and white. Just think about it and compare it to the human experience... male pattern baldness mostly comes from the mothers side, depression from the fathers side (AGAIN NOT BLACK AND WHITE, THERE ARE PLENTY OF EXCEPTIONS).

 

[ogrefugee]

What are you talking about? Clone only means just that CLONE ONLY, meaning no seeds are available and will not be available unless the breeder of the strain makes it available.

what are you talking about? he stated it correctly.

example: Chem Dawg (a BAG SEED ORIGINALLY) sprouted a bunch of different phenos... including the ORIGINAL SOUR DIESEL mother... so yes. he was right. clone only meens a specific (and usually quite rare) pheno of any strain. when you buy seeds there is little chance of sprouting a plant with all the same traits as the mom, so when you impregnate your ultra rare clone only mom those seeds are most likely not going to be as good as the ultra rare clone.




people bitching about clone only... like bitching about ferrari

 

[kushedout]

What I'm saying is that if a certain pheno was used as a father from Strain A let's say Blueberry and a certain pheno was used as a mother from Strain B let's say OG Kush, a new Strain C would be created. Let's call it Blue Kush. Now if I was the creator of Blue Kush and didn't provide any details as far as lineage, how would one be able to guess Blueberry was the father and OG Kush was the mother? I won't even get into someone trying to guess what phenotypes were used to make the cross that made Blue Kush. That's all I'm saying. So if I was the breeder that created Blue Kush, clones would be the ONLY 100% surefire way of getting an exact duplicate.

I could see how some people would be upset at how things are in the world of MJ. Breeders are stingy, clone only strains are hard to find and even harder to verify. I live in the capital of all these clone only strains and still have a hard time

 

[sweetgreendream]

Thanks

Thanks

example: Chem Dawg (a BAG SEED ORIGINALLY) sprouted a bunch of different phenos... including the ORIGINAL SOUR DIESEL mother... so yes. he was right. clone only meens a specific (and usually quite rare) pheno of any strain. when you buy seeds there is little chance of sprouting a plant with all the same traits as the mom, so when you impregnate your ultra rare clone only mom those seeds are most likely not going to be as good as the ultra rare clone.

Thanks for saying that better than me.

Kushdot - agreed and strain C is the seeds from A+B. Now not every seed from this collection will be amazing and in some cases you can get a new strain that is worhty of replicating and marketing. But sometimes you pop seeds and there is one that is truly worthy. A rare pheno that stands out above the rest - like Michael Jordan, Lance Atmstrong, etc.... It all starts with a seed

 

[Mickey696]

just my 2 cents....

What traits come through are all based on basic fundamental biology. If u have a dominant trait it will overcome a recessive trait (obviously). But at certain times you my have recessive traits on both the male and female side.. in this case its anybodies guess which trait will come through in the next generation.

In humans and animals , biologists have pin pointed that certain traits will always dominate another (e.g maybe blue eyes will come through over brown eyes). I have no idea whether such testing has been carried out in cannabis or whether the same prinicpals exist.... ??

 

[Pure Mist]

I've argued this before and I hope it doesnt contradict anyone, but this applies especially in the case of HOW rez bred the sour d IBL........ the sour D IBL isnt really Sour D because its Sour D crossed with NYCD and backcrossed subsequently to stabilize the g-nets...... however, people tell me its the same thing and its just as good...... the same thing and being just as good are two different qualities...... if you cross Mommy A (Chem Dawg x Mass SS) with Daddy B (NL5 Herm) and you get strain C....... strain C is a product of A x B.......... you cannot cross strain C with Strain D (derived from the original Parents) and call it strain C........ you cannot tell me you have successfully isolated traits unless you are crossing strain C with it self........ which would make strain C f2s....... instead you are making strain F .... f1s.....


so ultimately...... all strains have the ability to be recreated....... it may be really hard, but with adequate knowledge of a strains lineage and the proper parental stock (ie. Chem, Mass SS, NL5) a Clone only or Elite, can be recreated...... (Sour Diesel)!........... but without the knowledge or proper genetics, (ie, if the breeder passes on and his g-nets are forever lost in the sands of time) than that clone exists as the living legacy to that breeders life and what he had done with the genetics of the world....... and of course it can be recreated, but without him passing on the knowledge and g-nets, it is highly unlikely to travel anywhere other than in clone form or other than to simple be accidentally recreated by another breeder and named differently..... a whole is the sum of its parts.........

 

[ogrefugee]

just my 2 cents....

What traits come through are all based on basic fundamental biology. If u have a dominant trait it will overcome a recessive trait (obviously). But at certain times you my have recessive traits on both the male and female side.. in this case its anybodies guess which trait will come through in the next generation.

In humans and animals , biologists have pin pointed that certain traits will always dominate another (e.g maybe blue eyes will come through over brown eyes). I have no idea whether such testing has been carried out in cannabis or whether the same prinicpals exist.... ??

not to be a dick, but my dad has blue eyes and my mom brown... i have two tone brown & hazel eyes. proof right there that 2 recessive traits still have the chance to overcome dominants. genetics is very much not black and white... yet... but we know a lot more these days then we did 50 years ago.