Choosing nutrients: Organic or Default?

[Mr Orange]

Simple question to a complex answer. Large amount of players are struggling with this question. These players cannot grow worms and/or maintain a compost - yet they acknowledge the importance of beneficial forms of other species and the power of molasses.

How would you proceed?

Does the phosphorus in "salt" nutrients really kill beneficial varieties or can you do it both way with less nutrients?

Can you get the same results with commercial organics without pure and hippy organics?

Share your opinion please.

 

[Mr Orange]

Side notes:

Past = 100% hydro. No skills with soil whatsoever.

Future = 100% soil(/soiless). Pro recycling = meaning less soil you have to throw away - less work on the matter. I've also studied a lot about organic growing but lack the motivation, skills and possibilities to fully commit. So the question is: Use commercial organic products and recycle what i can OR use regular commercial products and recycle what i can.

 

[betshtick]

Side notes:

I've also studied a lot about organic growing but lack the motivation, skills and possibilities to fully commit.

I think you just answered your own question... It's easier to get awesome results from chem nutes just following a feed chart.

 

[who dat is]

I would say go for it but you sound too uninterested and uninspired to make the leap. For me it's a no brainer, organics all the way. This topics has been beat to hell and back again too.

 

[MammothRoots]

ORGANIC ALL THE WAY

ORGANIC ALL THE WAY

Simple question to a complex answer. Large amount of players are struggling with this question. These players cannot grow worms and/or maintain a compost - yet they acknowledge the importance of beneficial forms of other species and the power of molasses.

How would you proceed?

Does the phosphorus in "salt" nutrients really kill beneficial varieties or can you do it both way with less nutrients?

Can you get the same results with commercial organics without pure and hippy organics?

Share your opinion please.

Make the leap and get excited about it! If you don't have the passion and dedication you wont do very well growing organically. Start with a good soil mix, brew AACT's, top dress organic amendments throughout its live, etc. Fuck synthetic shit, people should stop putting that shit in their body.

 

[fuggzy]

I agree with the organic folk here. I don't have much experience growing, I'm actually in my 1st flowering right now. What I do have however is 11 chef experience. After serving a few thousand fat asses and a ton of heart attacks, it completely changed how I consumed ANYTHING.

I look at my bud like I look at my food. To me it is something that, just like food, I consume multiple times a day. The age old saying about "you are what you eat" is true. For me organics was the only option. Let the soil grow the bud, you just love that soil, in return it will love you back.

I barley pay for shit with organics turn weeds to ferts, get worms for all kinds of goodness(remember they reproduce, so even a small investment will grow) Mulch, and compost are most time available from your county dump for free (yard waste, and landscapers). Think the idea of compost from a dump is nasty? Guess what? Compost wont cost a dime to make. Seed sprout teas can be made for like $1-2. AACT will cost the price of a decent pump... Even if you pay for bagged worm castings, it is rather cheap, and a small amount goes a long way.

To address your question, I would just go 100% 1 way or the other. If you keep seeing people report that salt nutes kill microbes, it is most likely cause a shit ton of people have tried it and noticed it isn't worth it.

Best of luck.

 

[Ziggaro]

At the end of the day plants uptake nutrients as cations and anions and while organic usually better for the environment there is chemically no difference in what the plant eats.
As far as food health I think the argument revolves around the use of pesticides. I know there are studies that it is more nutritious, but how does GM affect the results? Or PGRs? I'm saying I don't think there is any causation between source of plant nutrients and how healthy it is for you.

Anyhow.. I use a chem program with AACT, and enjoy the benefits of each. I don't use real high P levels, since you are correct they can inhibit microlife especially mycorrhizae..salts can too afaik. There is a lot to learn with organics. You can follow a recipe and you might have success, or you might go wrong and have no idea where because you never learned how to cook. You should learn some things about the chemicals you use too, but there are not nearly as many different sources to learn about.

 

[frophead]

If you got mad hydro skills, consider looking at aquaponics. You would be utilizing a lot of your knowledge you used in your past grows in a super duper organic way and you get to eat lots of fish doing it. Mmm...fishies. Still waiting to see someone post a sick cannabis grow with aquaponics...haven't seen that yet.

 

[Therealzemi]

I went organic, and not turning back. I am not brewing my own stuff. I use Biobizz organics, and it's just brilliant. The biggest difference is flawor.... You cannot beat it with non organic nutrients. VERY smooth and sweet

 

[Pinetar]

Yes Bio Bizz is really simple organics, in a bottle ready to go. Good way to start a transition to organic, plus some of the tastiest buds.

 

[fuggzy]

As far as food health I think the argument revolves around the use of pesticides. I know there are studies that it is more nutritious, but how does GM affect the results? Or PGRs? I'm saying I don't think there is any causation between source of plant nutrients and how healthy it is for you.

For the record I'm not sure what you mean by GM or PGR, I'm guessing something to do with chem ferts.

So you are right about the pesticide, but that is not the only reason people eat organic, or smoke it for that matter. Studies do show that the plants are more nutritious with out chem growing (especially if you can grow your own, they loose up to 50% nutrition in transit). I'll put it this way. I can eat anything that I give my plants. It may not be good for me, but I'm not be sacred of dieing. Might get me sick, as most of the raw items are not in my diet, but some are. I grow sprouts for my salads. When I found out about seed sprout teas, hell all i had to do was blend the shit I had already growing. How many chem guys can say that? I don't have time to link proof to say " I'm saying I don't think there is any causation between source of plant nutrients and how healthy it is for you." is incorrect, but most of us know the effect that chem ferts have on out planet. We know that it destroys the soil making it dirt. We know it gets in our water tables, and can poison us. Not to mention, the ferts have to be flushed out. Have you ever tried to take a shot of 10-10-10? I took a shot of FPJ made with banana flower heart, and brown sugar. That shit tasted great and smelled like love. TBH I got a small case of the shits, and my burbs tasted great for 2 hours. To each their own. You like chem ferts and being able to have the plant respond almost right away, then go for it. IMO going organic is not just a growing style, but a way of life.

I'm not trying to offend you, just disagree with you.

 

[Scrappy-doo]

After switching to organic I will never go back to chems. It's just better on many different levels. Done well the yields will not suffer one bit.

 

[Mr Orange]

I think you just answered your own question... It's easier to get awesome results from chem nutes just following a feed chart.

I would say go for it but you sound too uninterested and uninspired to make the leap. For me it's a no brainer, organics all the way. This topics has been beat to hell and back again too.

There is a thousand different way to understand my question over the "faceless" internet and therefore i apologize for the lack of further information behind the question above.

As great as icmag is it's most important setback is the fact that the most important thing it has to offer (information) might get lost the very next day.

In the top 10 topics of all time we are missing around 4-8 pcs. These topics simply does not exist anymore. Deleted and gone.

The main reason for this is indeed the fact that everyone here must rely on only one sense: Eyesight. We can't see beyond it and our emotions rely purely on it.

To the point:
People mainly use my post count as an indicator of both knowledge and experience. The truth is that i have studied and discussed here for many many years. Paranoia simply kicks in at regular intervals and post count is gone with it. Experience and knowledge isn't.
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100% organic means that you can recycle everything. So it means 0% of organic thrash but it is going to need a working compost or two.

How much space does these take? Is there a possibility that they might smell bad sometimes? What is the time that is required for organic matter to compost enough? What happens if i get busted? These are some of the problems i have to figure out on my own so please do not speculate my enthusiasm so lighthearted.

The question is: Can i achieve comparable efficiency with commercial organic nutrients as i could by using regular commercial nutrients?

PS. Thank you all with relevant information. And for those who think that they should write something let me ask you something: What do you know about Molasses?

 

[Budley Doright]

One thing about growing in dirt.....

You just never know what bugs you are going to have in your bio herd......

Thats the reason I dont grow organic....

 

[Drekoushranada]

I started out as a hydro grower and I finally transitioned over to organics and I make my own soil. I am still in the learning phase and love experimenting with different organic inputs. I still grow in coco and other styles. I used to think bugs were all horrible in the grow room but these days I don't pay it much attention these days. I keep the room clean and use preventive maintenance. One might pass out once they see what is under my mulch layer.

 

[Ziggaro]

The reason I brought up PGRs is because I am guessing most of them are banned in organic gardening.
The nutrition density studies make note of these big non-organic apples are full of sugar and water, but are less nutrient dense than the smaller organic apples.
Could that be because the PGRs are unnaturally pushing the size?
See where I'm going now..

Organics are also much higher in heavy metals and are not immune to leaching nutrients either.

There is correlation, but not causation. I haven't seen any studies that show that organic nutrients produce more nutrient dense crops than chemical nutrients.