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early_bird

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I´m planning to grow a indica in my next run, can someone help my with the differences between Erdpurt x PCK and pure PCK ? Or may choose an other strain from Ace ?
I smoked Erdpurt in the past and liked it a lot.

I found the following information about them in the forum which i want to sum up here, maybe also useful for others to have it in one place :)

ErdPurt x PCK Standard
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I did vape a little to get a feel for what the high will be like. Very nice indeed. I got a nice head high with a relaxed body sensation with little to no couch lock. It's not AS creative as a sativa leaning strain. But, this strain was a very nice surprise. I picked up my guitar both times I sampled it and started playing. It also gave me some serious munchies.

Glad the early vaping tests have been favourable, pleasant and creative. i find this cross really strong and narcotic when smoked, vaping the experience is always more clean for the same strain. And you are light, lots of munchies with this one hehehehe

Some PCK hybrids are indeed up there with the most beautiful cannabis on earth.



Pakistani Citral Kush (PCK)
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Smells like fruit/cough syrup and kind of has an almost butterscotch thing going on with the taste (of the test buds at least). Always a pleasure to grow and smoke her. She's special occasion weed.

out of 7 females, 4 were green and 3 purple. Smoking through all these jars to get to the seeds is a hard task for me alone, as they are surprisingly potent. I can manage one good night spliff every day, as it usually puts me too sleep, often half way.

expect 8 weeks and don't go longer than 60 days, for the best smoke
it turns quite narcotic after that, so beware


I've been vaping some of my winter PCK grow - I think it still needs to cure a little longer but so far I am enjoying it - a very pleasant, floaty, spaced out high

Glad you are enjoying with her warm, relaxing, psychologically kind, horny, non dirty effects.


What i searching for
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Things i like (y)
- something that supports good sleep and would help friends with insomnia
- help to slowing down busy head and happy surrender to the moment
- transits your focus from thinking in the head to feeling in your body
- kind, happy and friendly, social would be nice
- don´t need to be strong
- Something sensual would be really nice, i like to cuddle with friends a lot, something social with nice body sensations makes touch, massages, sensual connections more enjoyable would be awesome!

I like to avoid (n)
- paranoia, etc.
- dirtyness, confusion, unable to communicate
- don´t need much numbness and relaxation in muscles
- hangover the next day
- introspection where you don´t want to be social or talk to people or you´re not able to

So far PCK seems to be great for sex and sleep and Erdpurt x PCK may more social happy and friendly ?
Opinions and suggestions would be very welcome :giggle:
I plan to grow indoors.
 
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revegeta666

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Some of the things you say you want/don't want in a strain, have little to do with weed and a lot more to do with set and setting, and your predisposition to feel a certain way (your particular brain chemistry).

- something that supports good sleep and would help friends with insomnia
- help to slowing down busy head and happy surrender to the moment
- transits your focus from thinking in the head to feeling in your body
If you are a person who has difficulties to stop the racy thoughts, and surrendering to the moment, most weed may not help if you are already in an altered state of mind. This is more of a mindfulness/mindset thing than a weed thing. Focusing on your breath, catching the racy/negative thoughts and asking yourself if they help you move towards your goals. That's gonna help you for sure, and will also enhance the feelings you're looking for in weed. Any strain will feel better if you keep this in mind. Rarely will you smoke a joint and have a complete change of mindframe. Weed is not psylocybin or LSD like some people on this forum seem to insist it is, especially not indicas. Maybe some Haze or some crazy landraces can have stronger more focus effects, even then, weed is not real medicine. I would personally look into breathing exercises and mindfulness practice.

- dirtyness, confusion, unable to communicate
- don´t need much numbness and relaxation in muscles
- hangover the next day
Most indicas will do this, including the Erdpurt x PCK

Sounds to me you're looking for sativa effects, but having this predisposition towards overthinking and difficulty to relax, this needs deeper work than just smoking a joint and expecting it to patch the problem.

That said, I have grown a few Erdpurt x PCK plants, and really liked them. The PCK influence makes it a little more heady than other indicas. PCK traits dominate the cross. Smells and tastes like the PCK. The Erdpurt gives the cross stronger body effects. The ones I grew might have been relatively high in CBD, and had great analgesic effects.

You won't find a particular strain that will make you horny and want to have sex. All weed does that, if that's what you're feeling like. Again I think your issue is a set/setting one. Smoking a joint like one takes viagra, or prozac, or xanax, and expecting the weed to have a precise and focused effect like these drugs, yeah it doesn't work like that at all in my experience. Weed contains a lot of different compounds that interact with our brain chemistry in many different ways that aren't even studied. And everyone's brain is different. It's not only about indica/sativa, but also high/low THC content, CBD content, terpenes, your own endocannabinoid system.... a lot of things interacting in very unpredictable ways.

People saying "this strain makes me want to play the guitar" are lacking experience with weed and other drugs. Weed in general may make you want to play the guitar or have sex, but it's very hard to believe that a particular strain will make you want to play guitar, while other strains don't. You just got excited and grabbed the guitar, because you're stoned. Some of the smoke reports on forums are shocking to me. There's a guy in the Congo thread saying he smoked half a joint of Congo, and started seeing cartoon dogs coming out of his rug. This sounds more like placebo and self suggestion than anything relating to the real world.

Look into mindfulness, this will help you 100 times more than looking for some imaginary Holy Grail strain that will fix your anxiety.
 
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early_bird

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Some of the things you say you want/don't want in a strain, have little to do with weed and a lot more to do with set and setting, and your predisposition to feel a certain way (your particular brain chemistry).


If you are a person who has difficulties to stop the racy thoughts, and surrendering to the moment, most weed may not help if you are already in an altered state of mind. This is more of a mindfulness/mindset thing than a weed thing. Focusing on your breath, catching the racy/negative thoughts and asking yourself if they help you towards your goals.
Thanks for your feedback revegeta666, very appreciated.
And your absolutly right. In particular, we all do exactly this already, quite a lot of my friends are bodyworkers or similar professionals who has plenty of experience in mindful rituals, massages, giving workshops, doing meditation, etc.
It is also not planned to "fix" anything, and don´t do use it in a "therapeutic" context, more than going new ways of interacting and get to the question has weed a usage in this context to get new experiences and going new ways. I think with the legalization here in germany weed will get into theese contextes even in official events, like "yoga with cannabis" is already a thing in the US. So i want to plan ahead and get conscious about this topic, before people experiment arround and make bad experiences.

And yes, i agree generally that sativas should shine here too, not sure yet how a nice indica can shine with some relaxing properties and calming the mind.

I just wanted to be as precise as possible to get the great recommondations, may i was to precise, haha.

Some tips for the difference between the two would be already great :)
 
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revegeta666

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I just wanted to be as precise as possible to get the great recommondations, may i was to precise, haha.
I just don't think weed and precision/predictability go hand in hand, at all.

Some tips for the difference between the two would be already great
I haven't grown the pure Erdpurt so I can't say.

But if you like the PCK, I would look into other Pakistani lines (X18, PTK) and maybe the uzbek and other hashplants (lebanese?). Afghans in general are a lot dirtier, lazier and more boring in my opinion. I struggle imagining smoking a joint of afghan weed and wanting to do yoga, or any kind of physical activity.
 

early_bird

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Early Bubba? (Bubba Kush x Erdpurt).
Oh, this sounds very good.
I love the high of ErdPurt and found it quite functional. And got told just good things about the Bubba Kush Katsu Cut and it excellent results in crosses.

I link the one smoke report from the other Thread here:

The effect is relaxing, but not overpowering. A clear-headed stoniness type of thing. When I feel the effects coming on, I typically let out a deep sigh and sink back into whatever I’m sitting in. Thoughts slow down and muscles relax. If I stay with a low dose, then soon some motivation to do something will creep back in. I am not totally out of it, but perfectly able to continue the tasks I need to work on… just maybe a tad bit slower than normal. If I keep smoking, then it’s more of a couchlock.
 
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early_bird

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Thanks RobFromRX, i guess this is exactly what i´m searching for and sounds perfect :love:

Try to sum up Smoke Reports from the other Thread here:
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"with stronger Bubba Kush afghani influence, which occasionally also delivers excellent and colorful pakistani expressions."
...
"coated with resins and juicy terpenes, which will delight the lovers of hash plants and extractions, where the quality of the aromas, flavours and effects of the more pleasurable and better focused indicas are the priority over the yield or raw effect."

Yes this is that night time sip and mellow type I think you are looking for.
Bubbakush katsu cut Ace has a beauty of a parent mom I believe tgat always carrys over that rich earthy coffee like aromatic bouquet which I truly live. The Purple PCK delivers a multitude of effects and a sweet Jam /Conserve kind of taste and then later reveals the hashyness of the Kush as you come to the end of your smoke. It is a great strain full of vigor and is powerful thanks to the Purple PCK holding the effects a little longer. First hits the body and you maybe wondering when the head hit is coming then it creeps on up and holds you down whilst the high creeps in to your head and you smile from ear to ear with a warm glowing body pain free and feeling very very plesant!

The effects were strong (above average) and immediate. A clearheaded rush of euphoria and relaxation that can leave you a little stunned with its onset then fades into a vaguely trippy narcotic (still not "muddy" or confusing) stone which left me smiling relaxed and interested in the world around me...
[...]
Early sample proved HEavily narcotic and sleep inducing as well very relaxing

Very relaxing and sleep inducing.

I'm find BKxPCK to be wonderful medicine for anxiety and depression as well as being just super frickin enjoyable.. lol I used to bitch about how everyone is all stoked on Kush weed. Ooooh that Kush wow!! O I've got Kush weed it's better than yours.., all that BS.
Now I get it. Cause MY Kush weed IS the bomb! Hahaha!!
Seriously tho folks this has such a premium clear effect it can hardly be compared to 90% of the Kush crosses out there.

Also: Pinky gets me stoned AF about halfway through 2nd doobie it's disorientingly strong but not so tired and dirty as many other Indica just dream state level stonyness..

The darker pheno will knock you out if u want it to. Not really a lot stronger just way heavier eyelids dry red eyes and more fatigue inducing. I find it relaxing but not so much as Pinky just because it makes me smile a bit less and kinda makes me too dumb to interact with well.

After a few weeks in the main jar at 62% rh, here is what i have:
Very relaxing effect almost inmediatly, mainly in the body, the mind works fine with it, oposite to speedy sativas that helps for physical work but to me personaly don't let me think straigh, this one relaxes me but despiste one slow down a little i can do math or what ever, makes me hungry but not too sleepy, in resume, deeply relaxing with barely side effects.

You are right, there's a good amount of recombinated traits in this double indica hybrid, showing trait variations between the afghani Bubba Kush and the Pakistani regarding plant structure, flower structure, pigmentation and terpenes. This allows growers playing with bigger populations to find the prefered combination of traits between these 2 hashplant strains.

Most of the plants produce a pleasant anxiolytic effect that relaxs the body , inducing munchies and sleep, yet with a lucid non introxicating head effect.
The pakistani is slightly more dominant in the hybrid than Bubba, but you can easily find good Bubba looking and tasting phenos by exploring more plants, they can easily be found in 1 or 2 packs.

I found both of the coloured pheno's desirable in their own way with both being effective relaxant and the more purple PCK pheno the most effective in that regard.
I'm happy to say that the pink afghani pheno I judged my favourite for its outstanding berries cream and coffee terpenes and clear headed relaxing and social effect

I’m really enjoying the pck and it’s hybrids. This really knocks me out at the end of the day and tastes great.
 

RobFromTX

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Thanks RobFromRX, i guess this is exactly what i´m searching for and sounds perfect :love:

Try to sum up Smoke Reports from the other Thread here:
============================================

"with stronger Bubba Kush afghani influence, which occasionally also delivers excellent and colorful pakistani expressions."
...
"coated with resins and juicy terpenes, which will delight the lovers of hash plants and extractions, where the quality of the aromas, flavours and effects of the more pleasurable and better focused indicas are the priority over the yield or raw effect."

Yes this is that night time sip and mellow type I think you are looking for.
Bubbakush katsu cut Ace has a beauty of a parent mom I believe tgat always carrys over that rich earthy coffee like aromatic bouquet which I truly live. The Purple PCK delivers a multitude of effects and a sweet Jam /Conserve kind of taste and then later reveals the hashyness of the Kush as you come to the end of your smoke. It is a great strain full of vigor and is powerful thanks to the Purple PCK holding the effects a little longer. First hits the body and you maybe wondering when the head hit is coming then it creeps on up and holds you down whilst the high creeps in to your head and you smile from ear to ear with a warm glowing body pain free and feeling very very plesant!

The effects were strong (above average) and immediate. A clearheaded rush of euphoria and relaxation that can leave you a little stunned with its onset then fades into a vaguely trippy narcotic (still not "muddy" or confusing) stone which left me smiling relaxed and interested in the world around me...
[...]
Early sample proved HEavily narcotic and sleep inducing as well very relaxing

Very relaxing and sleep inducing.

I'm find BKxPCK to be wonderful medicine for anxiety and depression as well as being just super frickin enjoyable.. lol I used to bitch about how everyone is all stoked on Kush weed. Ooooh that Kush wow!! O I've got Kush weed it's better than yours.., all that BS.
Now I get it. Cause MY Kush weed IS the bomb! Hahaha!!
Seriously tho folks this has such a premium clear effect it can hardly be compared to 90% of the Kush crosses out there.

Also: Pinky gets me stoned AF about halfway through 2nd doobie it's disorientingly strong but not so tired and dirty as many other Indica just dream state level stonyness..

The darker pheno will knock you out if u want it to. Not really a lot stronger just way heavier eyelids dry red eyes and more fatigue inducing. I find it relaxing but not so much as Pinky just because it makes me smile a bit less and kinda makes me too dumb to interact with well.

After a few weeks in the main jar at 62% rh, here is what i have:
Very relaxing effect almost inmediatly, mainly in the body, the mind works fine with it, oposite to speedy sativas that helps for physical work but to me personaly don't let me think straigh, this one relaxes me but despiste one slow down a little i can do math or what ever, makes me hungry but not too sleepy, in resume, deeply relaxing with barely side effects.

You are right, there's a good amount of recombinated traits in this double indica hybrid, showing trait variations between the afghani Bubba Kush and the Pakistani regarding plant structure, flower structure, pigmentation and terpenes. This allows growers playing with bigger populations to find the prefered combination of traits between these 2 hashplant strains.

Most of the plants produce a pleasant anxiolytic effect that relaxs the body , inducing munchies and sleep, yet with a lucid non introxicating head effect.
The pakistani is slightly more dominant in the hybrid than Bubba, but you can easily find good Bubba looking and tasting phenos by exploring more plants, they can easily be found in 1 or 2 packs.

I found both of the coloured pheno's desirable in their own way with both being effective relaxant and the more purple PCK pheno the most effective in that regard.
I'm happy to say that the pink afghani pheno I judged my favourite for its outstanding berries cream and coffee terpenes and clear headed relaxing and social effect

I’m really enjoying the pck and it’s hybrids. This really knocks me out at the end of the day and tastes great.

Thats a lot of information to absorb :oops: . I will say that the pck is a pretty lightweight stone on its own. Great daytime indica and im sure the bubba bumps up the thc levels. Give it a try. It sounds like a stellar cross
 

TresPlantas

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I just don't think weed and precision/predictability go hand in hand, at all.


I haven't grown the pure Erdpurt so I can't say.

But if you like the PCK, I would look into other Pakistani lines (X18, PTK) and maybe the uzbek and other hashplants (lebanese?). Afghans in general are a lot dirtier, lazier and more boring in my opinion. I struggle imagining smoking a joint of afghan weed and wanting to do yoga, or any kind of physical activity.
I have to disagree. I usually don‘t get negativ thoughts from weed but I had three strains that always put be in a negativ spiralnof thoughts. I always thought the reason was set and setting. But just recently I looked up those strains (Super Skunk, Somango, C99) and found out they all have some Skunk in them.
I gave my stock of Somango away and it was returned to me by saying sorry this gives me the creeps. Happend a second time and then I finally my most hardcore stonerfriend finished it.

I think you are right that you can find weed that does exactly this or that but some strains do have a certain effect. This is in my opinion pretty individual. But I can now see which of my friends reacts to a certain strain in a certain way.
 

RobFromTX

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I have to disagree. I usually don‘t get negativ thoughts from weed but I had three strains that always put be in a negativ spiralnof thoughts. I always thought the reason was set and setting. But just recently I looked up those strains (Super Skunk, Somango, C99) and found out they all have some Skunk in them.
I gave my stock of Somango away and it was returned to me by saying sorry this gives me the creeps. Happend a second time and then I finally my most hardcore stonerfriend finished it.

I think you are right that you can find weed that does exactly this or that but some strains do have a certain effect. This is in my opinion pretty individual. But I can now see which of my friends reacts to a certain strain in a certain way.

C99 has been so watered down and diluted with indica that its just a shell of its former self. The original version was straight sunshine. Practically a haze that grew like an indica
 

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