cannabinoid absortion - what works fo you?

[beuno-medibles]

Hi High People!

I've been making edibles for a while, and my background is culinary, i've been a cook/chef for 7 year on high end restaurants, and have played a lot with infusions and molecular gastronomy.

I have made a whole bunch of diferent forms of edibles and "drinkables" and of course that i have noticed a big diference on the feed back that i got from people.

So, when we are talking about ingesting cannabinoid via food or liquids that is a wide range of diferent factors that will combinate to the final high, correct?

Another problem is that is so specific from person to person that it became hard to have a solid dose,

so from my experience thats how i try to put in order the factors that will combine to the final experience. (assuming that you have fire material to start with and fully decarbed)

1) Body mass / Body fat / Fast or slow Metabolism

The thing that i have found that is the most important is a correlation between the body-mass and how fast your metabolism is.
a small skinny person will feel the effects more with the same dose that someone big. With that said i noticed that athletes that have a big body mass like fighters, but with a very low fatty mass and a really fast metabolism will get blasted with little doses.

2) Tolerance

really close to the importance of body mass is tolerance,
we all know that cannabis is not for everybody and is a learning experience, so i like just to mention that, because there are some people claim that they don't get really high, but is mainly because they have little experience with cannabis, they are benefiting from it but don't even know. (they just realize they're high when they over dose it)

3) Drug delivery system

we use a wide variety of drug delivery systems, and they all perform different, sugar, fat, oil, carbonated water and so on.
If you are using butter will definitely perform different than MCT oil.

4) empty-belly or full belly?

If you havent eaten the whole day the absortion will be faster than if you just had a huge meal

5) extraction method

If you are doing a THC distillate it will give you a different range of cannabinoids to work with as if you where doing a 6 hours trim-butter extraction



Well, that about it. ALL OF THIS IS JUST MY EXPERIENCE.

What have you noticed on cannabinoids absortion? have anybody have tried infuse terpenes back to they'r edibles? THC distillate sub lingual?
if there are people interested in talking about this let get it rolling! more data the best!

keep growing, keep processing and keep cooking!
all the best,
gold

 

[I wood]

Hard candies made with 10 mgs rso type oil work the best for me. I think the citric acid helps with buccal absorption. Fastest results with less of a tiring after effect, exactly the same dose of same oil eaten in chocolate or tootsie rolls leaves me noticeably more tired a few hours later.
Alcohol based tincture in a pump spray bottle worked well at approximately 5 mgs per spray. This was discontinued due to oil coming out of solution when temperatures dropped, clogging the pump. It seems I was near the saturation point.
Coconut oil in capsules are the preferred route for one patient I work with. Thc and cbd in a couple of different ratios are easy for me to make accurately and for him to have around discreetly.

 

[shishkaboy]

How do you come up with your dosages?

Any lab testing done?

 

[I wood]

How do you come up with your dosages?

Any lab testing done?

Every product is different.
Hard candies are made in molds, 200 a batch, 2 grams oil.
Even distribution in the molds and visually sorting out any big or small ones leaves them pretty uniform. Patients get the uniform ones, I eat the rejects.
Chocolates are a similar process with bigger molds resulting in 20 mg pieces, these are easy to split later if nessecary.
Capsules are made in batches of 50, doing the math before mixing and filling each capsule accurately with an oral syringe. If you aren't accurate there will be not enough, or extra oil after caps are full. After a few runs It becomes pretty easy.

I've never had any lab testing due to the fucked up politics and cost involved.
Patients have been the test, they are satisfied with the consistency and accuracy.

 

[shishkaboy]

I test the same way.
I just finished a batch of edibles myself and was just wondering how others do their dosing.

My recipe calls for half cup of decarbed canna coconut oil to get about 35 portions. Molds of different shapes help me standardize the servings.

If my math is correct the coconut oil should be about 15-17 mg/g.

I watched an experiment on youtube on 4 different methods of making butter with the test results included at the end. Pretty good videos imo.

I would like to cross over into making gummi worms now. Anyone have any tips?
Right now I am liking the versatility of coconut oil, anyone with a recipe?

 

[beuno-medibles]

hey i_wood thanks for the input!

yes, i have noticed the same thing, i dont use citric acid, but use d-limonine on my sub-linguals, and i get the same, more of an "up" high, but this i think is more because of sub-lingual absortion than the limonine itself, because when i use peppermint the effects are pretty much the same... but is not impossible that the terps do modulate the high a little, i wanted to add terp profiles to it to see if changes something...

one question, how do you think your starting material affect your dosing?

shishkaboy, first off all love you name bro, shishkaberry is the shit!
now, the edibles i would say to you do research on absortion of the food on your body, if you want to go to the gummies route ok, but i dont think it is the best, Is just a cool thing but the cannacaps works better. like I_wood said the hard candys are a whole other thing, is pretty nice the sublingual absortion and the sugar as a carrier works great in this method.

the recipes are around, i dont want to transform this topic in a recipe topic