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Canada checking elect. bills

AmishFarmer

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Here is a article I read about busting growers in Canada.- - -




It's not hard for police to identify the pot growers in this western Canada town: They merely scan residents' utility bills to determine who is using a lot more power than the average homeowner.
Armed with that information, local authorities cut the power off to the home of the suspected offender, often leaving scores of pot growers without the artifical light and water needed to cultivate their home-grown cash crop.

British Columbia, with a population of four million, has an estimated 20,000 inhabitants who raise a potent local marijuana known here as "B.C. Bud."

The plants, collectively worth nearly seven billion dollars each year, account for a whopping six percent of this province's power consumption.

The labor-intensive crop is an energy sponge thanks in large part to the 1,000 watt halogen lights, fans, irrigation pumps and other equipment needed for their cultivation. As a result, the pot growers' energy bills are about three times that of the average consumer.

Those energy consumption patterns drew the notice of authorities, who have benefitted from a 2006 law allowing BC Hydro, the area's main power company, to share its residential power consumption records with local officials.

Armed with a list of likely offenders, a team of inspectors -- including a firefighter, an electrician, an admistrative employee and two policmen -- is dispatched to each suspect residence.

"We inspect between 70 and 80 homes a month, said Len Garis, head of firefighters in Surrey, a suburb of Vancouver.

Inspectors are looking to verify, first and foremost, that the power lines' insulation coating is in good condition and that the circuit breakers are working properly.

About 90 percent of the time, this is not the case: Inspections often reveal serious problems in the electrical connections as a result of the high demands placed on them. According to the city, pot growers' homes have a 24 times greater chance than the average home of catching fire and burning down.

In the event of electrical problems, the current to the home is cut and cannot be reestablished until repairs are made.

The inspection team rarely sees the real target of the operation -- the pot plants -- because authorities are obliged by law to notify residents at least 48 hours prior to an inspection. The early tip usually gives the home pot grower more that adequate time to stow away his illicit crop.

"It's not about a criminal operation, but simply a means of insuring security for the people," said Joel Giebelhaus, an aide to Surrey's mayor.

Since the beginning of inspections in 2006, the number of home cannabis plantations has dropped by 65 percent in Surrey and 14 other towns in the province participating in the power-cutoff approach to the war on drugs.

"I'm afraid of these inspections," one local marijuana farmer told AFP, under condition of anonymity, acknowledging that without power, it would be impossible to operate the powerful lights he has going 18 hours a day to keep his pot plants growing.

It is not a one-sided battle however.

Marc Emery, who heads the "BC Marijuana Party," a small political group pushing for the legalization of pot, insisted that the province's offensive will prove futile, as growers figure out new methods to grow their crops without overtaxing the power infrastructure.

For example, one company selling hydroponic crop equipment also stocks a lamp that consumes 80 percent less energy than the traditional grow lamps.

In a counter-punch however, officials in some localities decided in late September to impose tighter restrictions on the companies selling hydroponic growing equipment.
 

Danksta

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Surreys Mayor is onto something... maybe its time for other provinces or states to adopt a different approach to the war on drugs.
:joint: Fauk it just legalize... :joint:
 

marx2k

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Wouldn't this inconvenience legitimate indoor gardeners as well as those with fish tanks with high powered lights or even those individuals who seem to need to have HID lighting illuminating their garage driveway and porch all night long?

How they tell the difference? If you're growing tomatoes or lettuce instead of weed, wouldn't this give you the right to take legal action against the responsible parties?

Also, tightening restrictions on hydroponic shops? Doesn't that also inconvenience legitimate growers? Are they going to outlaw the sale of water pumps? Air pumps? 5 gallon buckets? Hammers? Nails? Water? All of these things can be used to build a clandestine growroom or produce fresh vegetables for your family.
 
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DIGITALHIPPY

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wow.
i hope the US dosent here about this. my bill has to be 3-5x the normal user.
on a sad note my plans of retireing to canada to grow my personal stash have been fizzleing rapidly.
 

Rufid

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I call bullshit.Way too much variation in electric bill for all variety of legal enterprises.Do these folks have that much time to check every house just because of a high bill? Sounds like scare tactic's to me.
 

PoppinFresh

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when i saw that article i damn near shit my pants.. i thought.. **** i get shit from bchydro all the time.. then it hit me.. i get shit from BGHydro, not BCHydro.. then i felt ok lol.

anyway, i think it's a problem for people who are pulling huge amounts of electricity. i don't think a 250 or a 400 or even 500w total usage is going to raise any red flags especially if you're trying to offset the usage with general use CFLs. so are the personal stash people the ones that have to watch out or are we talking about those commercial growers?

but the truth is, as i see it, the Canadian politicians are realizing the big amounts of money the politicians are receiving for keeping marijuana illegal in the USA. they want a piece of that pie. it really goes to show just how powerful the dollar is, regardless of it's nationality so to speak.

this is what i been sayin for a long time... too many people running away to different parts of the country or different countries, from the US to Canada or Canada to Amsterdam... sooner or later, there will be no place left to run! i hope people vote appropriately in canada. if they don't a lot of people are ****ed!
 

PhenoMenal

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When you think about it though surely it wouldnt be that hard for them to be looking for surges of say 400w+ going on and off at the same time every day, 12 hours apart ... i cant really think of anything else other than a hydro flowering light that'd make that sort of a on-for-12-off-for-12-every-day-at-the-same-time pattern? And even with turning on other electrical equipment there'd still be that constant 400w+ increase. I guess one way to get around that is have another 400w lamp thats on at the opposite time to the other so that there's basically always 400w constantly in use, but then youre paying 2x for lighting, so yeah not very practical. But whether they do look for 'patterns' like that or just excess use of electricity im not sure
 
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marx2k

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PhenoMenal said:
When you think about it though surely it wouldnt be that hard for them to be looking for surges of say 400w+ going on and off at the same time every day, 12 hours apart ... i cant really think of anything else other than a hydro flowering light that'd make that sort of a on-for-12-off-for-12-every-day-at-the-same-time pattern? And even with turning on other electrical equipment there'd still be that constant 400w+ increase. I guess one way to get around that is have another 400w lamp thats on at the opposite time to the other so that there's basically always 400w constantly in use, but then youre paying 2x for lighting, so yeah not very practical. But whether they do look for 'patterns' like that or just excess use of electricity im not sure

This is true, the authorities /can/ look for 12 or even 18 hour on/off patterns in people's electricity usage. And the authorities /can/ figure out who is growing and who is not. But how are they to know who is growing something legal vs. something illegal is what I would like to know.

Let's say you're Joe Average with a hydroponics hobby. Let's say instead of marijuana, you grow roses or cucumbers or peppers indoors. Let's say you use 5kW in a 12 on/12 off pattern. Are you telling me that the authorities are willing to take the chance of busting into your house and disrupting your entire life because they thought that instead of growing delicious tomatoes, you were growing hydroponic marijuana?

Do they have that right? Don't they need more evidence (especially in a court of law) than simple patterns of electricity usage? What if you're crazy and you just decided to have your Linux server farm turn on and off in 12 hour increments? What if your multiple fish tanks need 12 hours of light for the coral to grow?

Do you not have the right to prosecute your local police department for making such a horrible mistake based on light circumstantial evidence?

What are the laws like in Canada? In America, you'd probably receive a nice settlement from your local authorities if they actually did make that sort of mistake. Especially if your grandmother has a heart attack during the "authorized" breaking and entering.
 

NorCalChron

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it seems the article is just pointing out the obvious.. lots of people grow and they need electricity. People are getting 48 hour warnings so it doesnt sound like anyone is getting caught. They are mainly concerned with the fire saftey issues.
 

Danksta

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NorCalChron said:
it seems the article is just pointing out the obvious.. lots of people grow and they need electricity. People are getting 48 hour warnings so it doesnt sound like anyone is getting caught. They are mainly concerned with the fire saftey issues.

Exactly... this is why its a good thing. The majority of grow-ops are dangerous. Not to the extent that the propaganda sais it is, but still allot of them are setup in a hurry and as cost effective as possible making them dangerous. So to get them out of the community this is pretty effective. Let them move somewhere else ;)
 

PhenoMenal

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yep, i read in one of those news articles about it that indoor hydroponics growers are 24 times more likely to have a fire in their house. I keep all my ballests/electrical gear raised off the floor - a couple times i've had a flood from water feeds that fell out, but was no problem due to the elevated electrical gear
 

scruffy

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Well, at least we don't have the "smart" meters here. No way to tell when I'm using more, just that I am. And woe to the stupid pig that tries to use that as PC for a warrant. Of course, then they'll just lie anyways. I run an electrical heater that draws waaaay more power than my 1K, blowers, etc. all combined. How about my welder? I'd put a couple 70-150W HPS's on the outside of the house, on a 12/12 cycle.

Fire hazard my ass. The insurance companies gin up stats that make it easier for them to be further up your ass about what goes on in your house. I've been through some arson investigation classes, unless the fire dept. shows up and the only thing burning is your ballast/grow op, showing causation is almost impossible. More made-up statistics to support the pigs' war on the people they've sworn to protect. How about the local fire chief offers free safety inspections instead? Noooooo, gotta bust the "druggies", since we know they give all their money to Al Queda.
 
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