Can inorganic = organic

[Guest]

What I mean is; Can something considered non-organic be prassed through an organic process and then be considered organic.
For example: a newspaper has glue and ink as part of the paper(non-organic); after worms or bacteria break it down, is it then considered and organic feed if you use the worm compost? If so; to what extent is/would this be allowed?
I have run left over fruit juices, beer, pop, through digestive soil cycles but I'd like to know what you guys think of stuff like this.

whadda ya think?
J.

BTW, you'd be surprised just how much your plant likes a drink of beer.

 

[alphacat]

Good question.

I think one of the main differences between things organic and non-organic is how it arrives at its final form - how it's actually made. Non-organic processes tend to use heavy duty industrial methods for manufacturing, like strong solvents and synthesized compounds. Besides the external toxicity a lot of this kind of manufacturing creates, the chemicals, radioactivity, and other traces of non-org. methods also calls into question the purity/toxicity of the final product.

As I understand it, organics favor processes that have low potential for adding any such impurities to the final product... although exactly how is pretty widely variable and debatable.

 

[BurnOne]

Organic means it lives or it lived.
Burn1

 

[vonforne]

BTW, you'd be surprised just how much your plant likes a drink of beer.

We were working with this in the OFC awhile back. I was using Grolsch. Puts a great smell in the tea also.

 

[Guest]

i think plants want and need roughly 16 basic chemical elements...how that is achieved is irrelevant to the plant

 

[jaykush]

pyrex, the paper and ink come from natural sources at some point in time im sure. the fruit juice i see no problem i used to add fresh apple juice straight from the fields in teas and it helped. i even think ive used fruit juice with a few kinds of fruit in it. on the other hand there are some things i wouldnt let near my teas or compost piles as some of the things in them can really do some damage to the beneficials.

We were working with this in the OFC awhile back. I was using Grolsch. Puts a great smell in the tea also.

ive been using beer V ever since in teas, grolsch mmmm some good beer might go get myself some today.

 

[vonforne]

Ya JK, I let mine sit on the counter for a couple of days then add it to my teas.

 

[jaykush]

Ya JK, I let mine sit on the counter for a couple of days then add it to my teas.

how much do you add per gallon. i dont think i ever seen what ppl are putting ive been doing my guesstimate thing, and im pretty good at it.

pyrex you give the beer straight to the plant? do you let it sit before use? how much?

 

[Guest]

I'll go around every so often and collect all my various bottle with a sip or so left whether it be beer, pop, juice (not milk), and mix them together and pour it onto the soil and then pour a little water behind it to disperse into the soil a bit. Nothing real technical, I can't say that I see big results or anything but I've never had problems from it either.
I do sometimes mix a half bottle of beer into a litre spray bottle and foliar spray in the late afternoon. I like to use fresh beer for foliar.

I'm not a 100% strict organic though. I'll use scraps of nonorganic fruits and juices as well as beer and pop (Mt Dew). I just don't use chemical fertilizers. I've also been considering the use of Scorpion Juice. I got it free and after reading all I can find about it, I'm not sure if it fits with my organic use. As I understand it; it is basically a modified version of Harpin protein which I also have and am unsure of it's use for myself. Harpin is a protein naturally occuring a in plants but adding it helps boost the plant. Something akin to women taking Estrogen; they naturally produce it but adding helps the body do its job. I realize that it is deffinately not organic but to what degree is what I'm trying to decide.

J.

 

[jaykush]

I'm not a 100% strict organic though. I'll use scraps of nonorganic fruits and juices as well as beer and pop (Mt Dew). I just don't use chemical fertilizers. I've also been considering the use of Scorpion Juice. I got it free and after reading all I can find about it, I'm not sure if it fits with my organic use. As I understand it; it is basically a modified version of Harpin protein which I also have and am unsure of it's use for myself. Harpin is a protein naturally occuring a in plants but adding it helps boost the plant. Something akin to women taking Estrogen; they naturally produce it but adding helps the body do its job. I realize that it is deffinately not organic but to what degree is what I'm trying to decide.

thats a very good way of putting it. its those little things that mean nothing, some store bought products we use everyday can have a major impact on a plant. more of a make what use of what you have kind of thing. i see nothing wrong with that and most of the time if you use the right thing and the right time damn it works good. props!

i see what you mean with the juice n beer n stuff i tend to just act and not even think half the time when it comes to this stuff. like its all natural.

 

[Relik]

From time to time I use beer in my teas. Beer = enzymes. I usually use about a cup to each gallon, but I rarely measure it. Makes your tea smell like beer for about a day, then it goes back to that sweet earthy smell we are used to.

I let the beer sit for about 24h before mixing it in the tea, however I don't think this matters much. I just do it because at warm temps (room temps for me), microbes breed faster.

Peace