California Has Too Much Weed!

[trichrider]

California has too much pot, and growers won't be able to export the surplus.

(Los Angeles Times)
A leader of California’s marijuana industry warned Wednesday that the state’s cannabis growers produce eight times the pot that is consumed in the state so some will face “painful” pressure to reduce crops under new state regulations that will ban exports after Jan. 1.


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Some marijuana growers will stay in the black market and continue to illegally send cannabis to other states, which is also not allowed under federal law, said Hezekiah Allen, executive director of the California Growers’ Assn.


“We are producing too much,” Allen said, adding state-licensed growers “are going to have to scale back. We are on a painful downsizing curve.”


He said some marijuana growers may stop, while others just won't apply for state permits.


Allen made his comments to the Sacramento Press Club during a panel discussion that also included Joseph Devlin, chief of Cannabis Policy and Enforcement for City of Sacramento, and Lori Ajax, chief of the state’s Bureau of Medical Cannabis Regulation.

Devlin said estimates he has heard put California production at five times the state consumption; one consultant in the audience said the number may be 12 times what is consumed in the state.

Ajax agreed with Allen that some cannabis cultivators may have to scale back while others may never apply for a state license.


“For right now, our goal is to get folks into the regulated market, as many as possible,” Ajax said. But, she added, “There are some people who will never come into the regulated market.”


Those people, she said, will eventually face enforcement actions for growing marijuana without a state license.


Medical marijuana use was approved by California voters two decades ago. Voters in November approved the legal sale and possession of an ounce of marijuana for recreational use.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/es...oducing-pot-surplus-1501101923-htmlstory.html


whadya think?

 

[St. Phatty]

So, if Corn farmers can get paid to not grow Corn ...

How about some subsidies for us Cannabis Growers ???

 

[stoned-trout]

Ban exports? Now that's funny. Yeehaw... Can u say fuck the feds??? Cause that's what the guy holding 100 pounds or more will be saying eventually.... enforcement will come from the $$$$ generated by the so called legal growers.. and taxes....it will be worse than ever...mark my words¡!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...along with growing charges expect tax evasion...also expect a few folks to be made an example of...hate to be them

 

[trichrider]

Ban exports? Now that's funny. Yeehaw... Can u say fuck the feds??? Cause that's what the guy holding 100 pounds or more will be saying eventually.... enforcement will come from the $$$$ generated by the so called legal growers.. and taxes....it will be worse than ever...mark my words¡!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...along with growing charges expect tax evasion...also expect a few folks to be made an example of...hate to be them

this is what i was thinking.
now besides charges for growing/exporting you can expect charges of tax evasion.
the taxes from every gram legally sold is paying for someone being persecuted/arrested/imprisoned.
what a shitstorm legality has formed.

 

[shaggyballs]

I said it before and I am still saying, Vote no to legalize cannabis or else!
Stop this cancer before it spreads.

 

[Bud Green]

The legalization that we are seeing happening these days in the U.S. is absolutely nothing like what us old heads discussed 45 years ago when we talked about the future..

 

[~star~crash~]

seems it's like paying off the authorities for immunity

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

Change is often painful.

Until the general public is educated well enough to fully accept cannabis, expect more problems due to remaining ignorance.

Expecting full freedom without (edit: going through) pain is foolish.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Too much?

Isn't that like "extra" money?

It's just not a real thing.

Nobody will be suprised when the scorpion does what's in its nature.... No matter how many tax dollars you give it first.

 

[Capt.Ahab]

So Hezekiah Allen isnt just the executive director of the California Growers’ Assn.
He is a mouthpeice for the state.
What is the Grower's Association, who are it's members and who does it really represent?

 

[St. Phatty]

I'm definitely seeing a trend.

Best guesses for Oregon for 2016 were 200,000 pounds consumed in the state, 1 million pounds produced. A 5:1 ratio.

So in Cali, an 8:1 trend.

Maybe the states can compete to see who has the biggest ratio of 'produced' to 'consumed'. /sarc (it's cheating to goose the ratio by consuming less)

I enjoy talking with grow store managers and employees about what they are seeing in terms of grow supply sales.

Also, how it shows up at harvest time, e.g. if Home Depot sells 2 acres worth of 6 mil plastic film (20 x100 foot, 6 mil plastic, $99.99)
3 days in a row ... I don't know, I just think it's interesting to watch folks drop $30K on plastic film to cover 6 acres of plants that need a bit of grow-umbrella.

I think 2017 will be an all time best ever peak, in terms of production volume.

However, I don't anticipate buying any more than an 1/8 oz.

I know folks who live in cities and Silicon Valley generally have no problem dropping $$$ on quality Ganja ... but there's only so many of them.


I look at the bright side - the Epic Monster over supply of 2017 will leak into "correctional" institutions, so America's prisoners should be getting an upgrade in terms of Cannabis access.


I used numbers from ICMag basically, the monster Mendo grows, to estimate production per square mile.

Basically the first time I did it I got about 1 million pounds per square mile (per 28+ million square feet). When Cannabis is given proper TLC, is it reasonable to expect 1 pound per 25 square feet ?

 

[Cvh]

A bubble ready to bust. Excess production and dropping wholesale prices. All the signs are there.
For people who have invested into this. Get out of this ratrace now and go into the niche market asap.

In the EU we are closely watching this evolution.

 

[Avinash.miles]

Ban exports? Now that's funny. Yeehaw... Can u say fuck the feds??? Cause that's what the guy holding 100 pounds or more will be saying eventually.... enforcement will come from the $$$$ generated by the so called legal growers.. and taxes....it will be worse than ever...mark my words¡!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...along with growing charges expect tax evasion...also expect a few folks to be made an example of...hate to be them

exactly what they did in colorado
used $ generated from the "industry" to fund and "educate" pigs to go after home grows, even doc recommended medical

 

[Floridian]

The education is what's needed but it's always the dishonest information being peddled.Too much of a production surplus?No such thing, it's a lack of usage not a surplus in production.And that's because folks don't recognize the myriad of benefits just yet.When Viagra users discover they don't need a pill to get a boner there's a few percentage points increase in usage.When 98 pound weaklings understand how easy it is to increase appetite and gain weight there's a few more % points.There are just so many known benefits and so many more yet to be discovered but people need to be informed in an honest way.Good luck with that even in the medical aspect where there should be no prejudice at all.If things were really on the up and up I doubt folks could grow enough to satisfy everybody.Unless of course sanity prevailed and everyone was allowed to grow their own

 

[Jellyfish]

Expecting full freedom without pain is foolish.

Is it? All we're "expecting" is for things to be like they were for thousands of years before cannabis prohibition.

 

[Floridian]

That's true but for thousands of years there was never any segment of society that benefitted from prohibition,nobody gave a shilt.Unfortunately from the drug manufacturers to the private jailers there are too many folks with a dog in the race these days.

 

[shaggyballs]

How about baning huge commercial grows, no need for them if demand is being met. I hear the big boys are pissin off the locals too.
Common sense there.
But no they will stamp out thousands of home grows so big cannabiz will make bank.
Funny I tried to warn people this was gonna happen, but they just called me names...

 

[Avinash.miles]

Is it? All we're "expecting" is for things to be like they were for thousands of years before cannabis prohibition.

ya well.... today ain't yesterday, and going BACK to that way is.... not fucking likely.

seeing FULL legalization - where weed is NOT treated like a cash cow and not OVER-regulated.... where it's treated like tomatoes or carrots..... not in the next 20 years imo.
maybe longer

 

[FunkBomb]

California doesn't have have too much weed, the rest of the country doesn't have enough.

-Funk

 

[Scott64a]

The legalization that we are seeing happening these days in the U.S. is absolutely nothing like what us old heads discussed 45 years ago when we talked about the future..

Well... the rat race is over, and the rats have WON.

Any legal endeavor doing ANYTHING is going to be a minefield of state regs, licensing and DICKS.

Dicks around every corner. Dicks up everyone's asses... Dicks, dicks, dicks.

I grow for personal use, legally. No permit required.
We can only have 6 plants each as well. I don't see how the personal stash growers are going to be affected, since they will trade and use their own.

I really feel for commercial or medical growers, but hey... all of a sudden the state is allowing as many as they can. What does anyone think is going to happen when all the commercial and medical growers all harvest 20-30lbs per plot, if not MORE?

If it were corn... it'd be harder to get such a yield return. Corn isn't a ditch weed LOL.

I'm sorry to sound like a downer, but man... what did anyone expect legal growing to be like in 2017? A day and age where shit-covered-dicks walk around in the halls of our lawmaking institutions, our courts and our executive offices? All there because big money put them there.

Pfff... just enjoy growing and having it before the US implodes from its own stupidity and greed.