Cali growing and the state of the state..

[nvthis]

Damn. It's getting worse every friggin' year. What the hell is up with Cali growers? I have been a Cali grower for 28 years (not necessarily consecutive) and this shit is ridiculous. Now, I don't know that it's Cali natives or green rushers but I don't really care. Just let me say this....


Just because you thought you were some kind of badass with a name and you went out got yourself a shiny, brand new Trimpro, it does NOT make you a "trim pro". From what I've seen in my corner of NorCal, it more like makes you an ass hat retard.

Jesus. You guys are fantastic growers. You spend thousands pre-season amending your spot. You spend countless hours prepping. A lot of you are growing 5 lbs plants and some even more. Then, when it's time, FAIL! What's the fuckin point??? Do you just give up? You chop your plants, throw them into the garage and a couple weeks later you beat them against the side of your shiny brand new Trimpro for a minute and call it good? Then you have the audacity to demand top market value??? What the fuck is wrong with you???

Big boy dollars is for big boy weed. Buy some goddamn scissors and pay attention!! At the beginning of the season it was a source of comedy to watch you get all fucking butthurt when you asked for top dollar and got shot down. Now, it's just old. I've never seen it this bad. Ugliest fucking weed ever. No pride at all. No respect for the plant. No respect for anybody. It's completely meaningless. Just cash out and go home, right? If I EVER tried to pass off product that looked like that, I would probably chop off my own dick and wear it for a forehead ornament just so everyone would know what they were dealing with...

K. Sorry. Rant over..

 

[MF Grimm]

Hell fuckin' yeah.

This is a rant I can get behind.

Bravo, sir.

 

[lee van keef]

I also don't care for machine trimmed buds.

 

[stoney917]

I know the shit ya talkin out made a soccer ball of hash out of what came out here but shit was givin to me for free and no one wanted to look twice if I remember it was mostly trainwreck that was the worst and some shitty blues the price was right free so I can't complain I guess it's the only way to get rid of it is to give it away ....
The hash wasn't great but not horrible

 

[SeaMaiden]

Folks keep trying to fool me, challenging me, if you will, to say which are the machine trimmed buds are which are hand trimmed. Seriously? I don't even need to get out my loupe, I can spot it a mile away. And I ask the very same questions, Why on earth would someone spend all that time and money to harvest trichomes, and then knock 'em all off?

I'm also a believer in spreading the love and prefer to hire trimmers when and wherever I can. We do have that luxury in California, so I'm all about enjoying a little luxury.

 

[DryNobBob]

THEY keep it and sell the kiefed trimmed buds. Oregon is the worst Ive seen I suspect they trim too close also to minimize the quick appearance of pm or spider mite webs.

Folks keep trying to fool me, challenging me, if you will, to say which are the machine trimmed buds are which are hand trimmed. Seriously? I don't even need to get out my loupe, I can spot it a mile away. And I ask the very same questions, Why on earth would someone spend all that time and money to harvest trichomes, and then knock 'em all off?

I'm also a believer in spreading the love and prefer to hire trimmers when and wherever I can. We do have that luxury in California, so I'm all about enjoying a little luxury.

 

[kmk420kali]

As a Commercial Grower I have to agree--
We have always before hand trimmed, even when we were pulling 70-80 lbs--
But we upsized, and last Oct we harvested 179 lbs, and there just was no way we could hand trim!! It would take too long, and too much hassle and damage to try and keep it hydrated for long enough to trim it!! Keep in mind, it is too much to really take off-site, and we did not want to bring 20 or 30 ppl to the grow site!!
So we got a Twister (Fuck Trim-Pro!!)...and done it all in a week--
Hand trimming is not always an option-- But instead of crying, we just went with it...and had to adjust our prices down a bit in compensation-- Altho truthfully...tho there was for sure a difference...the Twister did pretty fucking good!!
BTW, it was all GH--

 

[nvthis]

and had to adjust our prices down a bit in compensation

Utterly reasonable. Wish everyone had your sense. That is as it should be, and kudos for recognizing that should/would be the result.

 

[megayields]

bro.....you EVER trim 300 lbs by hand or try rodeoing 15-20 trimmers? sheesh....

 

[greekgardner]

bro.....you EVER trim 300 lbs by hand or try rodeoing 15-20 trimmers? sheesh....

Shudder

 

[nvthis]

bro.....you EVER trim 300 lbs by hand or try rodeoing 15-20 trimmers? sheesh....

Look, I'm not saying there isn't a place for Trimpro weed. There is. In the bargain bin, and that's where it should stay. And if you are complaining about rangling 15-20 trimmers to get through 300 lbs then maybe your calling in life isn't in the weed industry. I will bet you dollars to doughnuts there are overwhelming numbers of members just on this site, from every corner of the planet, that would kill to have your problems so complaining about it is nonsensical, really. Sheesh...

And, no, I have NEVER trimmed 300 lbs by hand. But I did have a 100+ lb season and every bit of that was trimmed by hand and, frankly, there wasn't much in the way of stress at all. We definitely felt that we could have handled more. BY HAND.

I think Trimpro "artists" just have an aversion to paying trimmers their due. Cheap fuckers.

 

[DryNobBob]

Door to door searches in Big Bear, batten down the hatchesGood luck to the growers in that area.

 

[SeaMaiden]

NV, I haven't ever done a 100lb season, and with our county's new zoning restrictions I will likely never come close. But I have some friends who do on a regular basis. They have their group of regulars, including trimmers, who they hire every year pretty much. I like that, and while I do see a need for automation, I find myself wondering still--why take such care during growing, then?

I know others who are using the machines to trim up the larfy buds, and are doing the best colas by hand. They're liking the results & trade-off.

Door to door searches in Big Bear, batten down the hatchesGood luck to the growers in that area.

Fucking Riverside County! Or... is that San Berdoo..? Now I've forgotten.

 

[Z-ro]

Do you really think trimmers are worth 20$ per hour or 200/lb?? I certainly do not, especially with prices so low it just doesnt make any sense. Maybe if we were still getting 32 for outdoor blue dream, but in todays world where youre only getting 15, paying trimmers 200 per is just flat out ludicrous. Tell me, what other employer is paying 20/hr tax free plus lunch(huge expense) all while listening to music with friends and smoking free weed and drinking beers?

Trimmers are over paid and underworked. Half of them suck at what they do and just butcher your well grown product so they can get an extra oz per day in. To be honest I think a machine could do a better job than most, seriously.

Besides the obvious safety threats large amounts of trimmers pose, the math just doesnt work out. You got 500lbs to trim you can spend 30 on two twisters or 100+ hand trimming it(each year), what are you gonna do??

 

[SeaMaiden]

Depends on the trimmer, IMO. Some of them work incredibly fast, remember instructions and perform as advertised. I would never pay on an hourly basis, piece-work makes much more sense in this context, and that's where you'll see better performance. I've never had multiple people trimming for me, so I've never had to deal with certain headaches I know are common.

And yeah, it adds up to an expense, but maybe that expense ends up coming back to you and paying off in the end. I know someone who spends around $20K on hired help annually. But it comes back to him tenfold in many ways, and he still does very alright, better than most growers I know.

 

[Aeroguerilla]

im a firm believer in my trim pro thank you very much. we buck the whole plant, hand trim as many big buds as possible and all the little tedious shit goes right into the trimmer. many many hours of hard labor saved.

 

[cannascholar]

I was pretty impressed with the trim pro Automatik.It didn't rough em up too bad, smell is affected but that's why hand trimmed tops get mixed in.

 

[theJointedOne]

Cali growing and the state of the state..my take

Cali growing and the state of the state..my take

Thanks NVTHIS for starting a thread I thought should have been going a while ago, like 2010 hehe.

IMHO the state of affairs in this industry is always changing, yet right now it seems there is a bit of 'unknown' in most growers thoughts, at least those pertaining to cultivation and the rest of this industry. What I mean by that is this; growers have to adapt quickly and intelligently to changing tides in this current market, and some..granted this is only some..are beginning to think that mass production cant come with high grade quality.

Green rushers, who are another subject which deserves their own thread, make matters worse because MOST are new to the game, the area, the ideas, the energy....basically the entire under current in which CA operates. Now some of them are truly good people with great intentions and who do amazing work which should be recognized and applauded. But others are quick to take the most shortcuts available to achieve a simple goal; $. Now $ isnt bad, we all know that. We know and appreciate what our hardwork allows us to do in our lives, yet putting the $ in front of everything and having it be the driving force of an operation usually leads to what we are talking about here in this thread.

Is it the fault of green rushers to want to make big $ and leave just as quick? Depends on how you view it, I wont ruffle any feathers here, IMO you got to do what you got to do. Who am I to say your wrong, imo its only when you start to hurt the areas natural habitat through the use of 'cides and chems that you start to look bad to me.

So now we have all this influx of 'do whatever it takes at minimal cost' growing happening all around us. Its everywhere. And that mentality is carried over to each facet of the industry; cultivation, processing, distribution. Quality in turn suffers and with that comes a lesser market value, which in turn creates a dip in the overall market strength, which in turn hurts everyone's pockets (for the smart and established though it hurts only minutely).

So the debate is this; Is quality(which imo includes being a steward to your community through conscious cultivation techniques) more important than the bottom line? Most people have never run a twister and therefore dont realize the ammount of work it takes to use it, maintain it, the fact the product needs additional cleanup by hand after the initial run through.

I could go on and on. IMO the slow, steady nature of people working with their hands is something that never will be replaced, and neither will the benefits, both short term (increased market value) and long term (increased industry standards). That being said, if you want to use a machine, please do, but dont expect to hold the same high standards, you must realize that machines drop the overall worth of cannabis, and that in turn will diminish the bottom line in which you are so worried about.

 

[huligun]

Trimmer weed is like the American version of Brick Weed. Just say no to McNuggets

 

[MMAjay420]

Trimmer weed is like the American version of Brick Weed. Just say no to McNuggets

AMEN. I ALWAYS hand trim, whether its a lb or 100 lbs. just comes out better and i hate the feeling that i may beat the hell out of this beautiful flower that just took me months to grow....