Cal-Mag or??? in coco

[tnhndecapper]

aright

bag seed..
flowering.....30 days look sativa leaning...maybe 40 more days...just starting to swell at some tips...

brown specs at tips....then ...going down leaves...leave tips curling up wards...

all of this happening near tops of plants...

feeding 1 tsp botanicaire cal mag...puravida grow...1.5 tsp....puravida bloom 6 tsp..fish mix 1 tsp...sugardaddy 2 tsp..floralicious bloom 1 tsp...

added more cal mag and fed again today....

i am watering daily with this feeding ratio....havn't flushed in a week or so..

they have been perfect since i got my feeding started early on at seedling..

thanks in advance...

 

[HeadyPete]

now you are feeding too much.

Pix would help but burnt tips is overfeeding and I'd say you are feeding a lot from what you wrote....

Why are you giving two different bloom nutes? You don't need any more fish mix and you don't feed every day. Try once a week with plain water at all other times and see how they do...less is more.

Upcurled leaves are a sign of heat stress from lights or temps....

Downclawed lower leaves are a sign of over feeding.

If they are sativa leaners they will be even more sensitive to overfeeding...

Pix would help diagnose this better...

 

[SuperToker]

Dilute your nutes some.

Cool your canopy with fans, and possibly raise your light or get a new hood to fix temperatures.

 

[whodi]

nothing wrong with feeding everyday in coco. just don't use so much ferts when you do. chill on the bloom nutes for sure.. way too much.

 

[kurdunkle]

Why are you giving two different bloom nutes?

Floralicious Bloom is a bloom additive/stimulator and is intended to be used in addition to your regular bloom nute.

 

[tnhndecapper]

thanks guys......

i don't know what happened...everything was fine until i had to move....

the room is a couple degrees warmer.......

i really think i just missed adding my cal mag for several days....


the floralicious is the shit......and my puravida calls for 6 tsp..bloom 3.5 grow..for flowering in coco..


i flushed thouroughly today....will fert again monday...

again thanks guys....got my fingers crossed.....

 

[tnhndecapper]

let me clarify....tips and down sides of blade... browning...(not really severe like nute burn)...brown dark yellowy rusty patches going down blades....leaves not really dying until entire blade is consumed...

i havn't even lost a complete upper fan leaf yet...but about to...

upcurling...blades....as they dry out...

i'm pretty sure it's deficient or locked out .....

Heady-......watch what type of info you spread....(fertilizing non-stop in coco is pretty norm.) and as someone else stated floralicious is to be added to feeding regimen...1 tsp...try it some time...its the shit....

 

[tnhndecapper]

ph today testing runoff of plain water...5.7 -6...but i ferted as normal yesterday...




thanks again guys....

serious about the floralicious...try it!!!

 

[HeadyPete]

My mistake on the floralicious Bloom...I thought it was a nute.

I use Floralicious Plus regularly, that's why I assumed that FB was a nute, not a supplement.

I grow in coco and I do not recommend feeding every time for many reasons, one being lockout from too many ferts in the media and not enough flushing. If you do then fine, but that's up to you.

dude, the info i spread is always good info, you can look back thru my 1000s of posts or ask the hundreds of people here I have helped over the years......

You are the one here in the Infirmary with the sick plants yet you are telling me how it is?

As I stated above, without a picture, this is all mostly pissing in the wind as symptoms can look similar to the inexperienced eye.

good luck with your issues....

 

[tnhndecapper]

headypete-.....i would really like to see your plants grown in coco only ferted once a week....i bet they are beasts...

any way thanks for your comments....i do agree on lockout...i'm still learning...and congrats on your level of hierarchy on icmag....i bow down to you....

 

[whodi]

it's good to feed coco everyday as long as you have around 15% runnoff.. and you can always pick one day a week to use water only for even more of a flush.

 

[The Conundrum]

I think it's the fish mix burning your plants. If 1 thing in there was the one that did it the fish mix is it IMHO. the purvida is supposed to be enough as a base. I too rock Floralicious + and Cal Mag + with a Floranova base ... Remember - CoCo does retain things Better than other Inert Mediums.

 

[HeadyPete]

What's your fucking problem? You come here looking for help, then you argue with the info given, insult me with your condescending smart mouth right off the bat, then you give me neg rep and call me a troll and say I like to pick fights? What the fuck is your problem? Pot meet kettle.

Good luck with your perfect plants, keep feeding them copious amounts of nutrients every watering like you do and enjoy your fucking wonderful crispy smoke, oh grow master.....

You are a dick and I am sorry I wasted my time responding to you. It won't happen again.

Fuck you. and your violin.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

I am of firm belief that many folks tend to think they are the growlord of shitsville the moment they start dumping all the neat sounding nutes and stuff into their plants.
After being fully brainwashed by some ignorant hydro store hack, they spend loads of bucks on stuff so they can do two things...spout off their endless list of nutrients and magic elixirs so they sound like they have a clue, and then proceed to kill their plants.
Oh and they also like to throw around negative rep and smart off to others who are trying to help them.

I say sod em.
Let em have their sickly little stalks of vial tasting rubbish.
Maybe one day they too can become an ignorant hydro store hack trying to sell innocent growers pints of watered down molasses w/hydro peroxide and charging two arms and three legs for it.

 

[Rosy Cheeks]

i really think i just missed adding my cal mag for several days....

That depends on a few things, such as your water quality.

The need for Cal Mag in coco is generally grossly overrated.

Let me give you a run-down on the problem. It's about the Cation Exchange Capacity (CEC). Cations are positively charged ions, such as Calcium, Magnesium, Sodium, and Potassium. The coco will hold these ions in a matrix, releasing them as required by plants. There is one slight drawback to this. When the coco's fresh, that is, until the cation exchange capacity of the growing media is filled, the growing media may hold positively charged nutrient ions, most notably Ca, in reserve, making them less available to the plants. However, the CEC of the coir media is quickly filled, and actually assists Ca absorption in the crop cycle. This is why - if for instance you're growing with r/o water and nutrients without sufficient amounts of Ca and Mg, you may need to supply additional calcium during the first week of growth or during the hydrating process of the coconut coir.

Nowadays, most high quality coco coirs are pre-treated with Ca and such to take care of the problem and improve the CEC. But of course, growshop pimps like to make you think you really need to add Cal Mag all the time. They make more money that way.

If you're growing in coco with hard tap water, which is common and even recommended by some nute manufacturers, you may as well put the Cal Mag in the closet, save it for a day when really needed. There's more than enough Ca and Mg in most hard waters.

I think it's the fish mix burning your plants. If 1 thing in there was the one that did it the fish mix is it IMHO. the purvida is supposed to be enough as a base. I too rock Floralicious + and Cal Mag + with a Floranova base ... Remember - CoCo does retain things Better than other Inert Mediums.

I would be surprised if BioBizz Fish-Mix was responsible. Fish-Mix is a very benign nutrient which conditions the medium and stimulates microbial activity, which in itself means that it's harder to burn your plants with too high concentrates.

I've been running motherplants and vegging plants on Fish-Mix in coco for a while now, without any whatsoever problems. But of course, Fish-Mix together with other nutrients and additives changes things.

Unless you wanted to say that coco retains nutrients better than inert mediums, then no, coco's not an inert medium. Far from it.

 

[tnhndecapper]

(first of all if my problem was nute burn i wouldn't have posted a question here.....been there done that allready)

anyway they seem to have slowed browning significantly...(brown spots blotches watered with only floralicious and cal mag since Sun.)

...no need for any more responses....

thanks to all of the great info.....



To all the haters (heady, hoosier).......stay in haterville.....


peace....i'm out!!!

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Quite a fart smeller aint ya, Jr?