Cabinet plans...

[Where'sMyBud?]

Been collecting supplies for my new cabinet for almost three months now...

- Vortex 6" 449cfm Inline Fan will be hooked up to a carbon scrubber.
- Hydrofarm Xtra Sun 400W HPS Ballast
- Hydrofarm Daystar AC Reflector
- GH Waterfarm w/ extra airstones and pumps (more O2 for roots)
- Flora Nova Grow & Bloom nutes
- Couple cheap oscilating fans for the canopy.

I plan to grow out a mother plant out of some feminised Northern Lights beans from Female Seeds, then take clones and grow SOG under a 400W HPS. By that time I wil have a micro cabinet for the mother plant, so that I can have a perpetual harvest every 2 weeks. I figure 6-8 clones SOG in hydro under a 400W HPS can yield me an average of 5-6oz every cycle...not too shabby.

I still need to buy a carbon scrubber but it has to be able to handle the cfm's of the Vortex fan...not easy to come by without getting one that is really big in length and diameter...any suggestions?

Also, I just found out that the C13 cabinets are discontinued...now I have to get a C22 I guess, or which one is it? The C24 is 4 feet wide...too big for me!

I need to be able to fit the Reflector and the carbon scruuber in teh cabinet without taking up grow sapce on teh bottom - meaning I need to mount the carbon srcubber above the reflector.

Also, will the Vortex hooked up to the carbon scrubber be enough to ventilate the grow space as well as deodorize it? For intake, I plan on drilling 12-15 2-inch holes in the bottom of the cabinet and insert a 90degree PVC elbow into each one in order to make the intake holes light proof. I'll put a ppre and post filter on each one to ensure that no dust is being sucked into the cab. I think that should be sufficient for inflow, no?

Any suggestions? Comments? Complaints?

 

[SEEDYNONO]

i have the larger c22 and i love it.

first things first i'd say upgrade the backing. a huge piece of melamine is around $30-$40 at home depot and can be cut to size for you there. this is a MUST. the cabinet needs this reinforcement. otherwise plan on securing the top of the cabinet to a wall stud.

good choice on the specs. you will have plenty of airflow with an inline for a 400. keep in mind that the room the cab is in must have adaquate airflow and decent temps for this to work tho. the fan can only keep the temps inside the cab as close as possible to ambient room temp, never lower.

i took the shelf out of mine for more verticle space. i hang my reflector from the very top ceiling of the cab and have my inline mounted right under the ceiling as well. my scrubber is on top of the cabinet. unless you build a diy scrubber you will be stuck with a big long tube.. either way hard to get inside the cab. that's just how they make them. the shelf is pointless imo but if you plan on doing indica's in sog you may not have height issues. i'm a tree'd-up sativa guy.

before you cut holes for intake let me give you another option.. i use 'darkroom louvers' for my intakes. they come in squares of different sizes and cost around 20 bucks each. i have two 8"x8" louvers mounted in the backing of the cabinet near the bottom. gives it a nice finished look plus no light leaks.

http://www.adorama.com/DKL82.html?searchinfo=louver

don't forget you will need to seal up the door seams for light leaks as well. i use 3/4 inch vinyl weather stripping i got at home depot. works great.

i'll be around if you need any help. GL man!

 

[Maj.PotHead]

srry my bad i have a dyi carbon scrubber tutorial in my gallery but you'll need to modify it for your purposes

 

[stretchpuppy]

Do the backing as mentioned. I ended up having the depot cut a 1/2" thick sheet of melamine to fit.

Drill out more holes in the bottom of the waterfarm buckets.



The C22 is a bit smaller (I believe...) and your hood might not fit. Check dimensions. Super Sun fits right in my C13.

Louvers kick ass. Clean and neat. You can get them on amazon.com. Once installed I put filter cloth over them to filter the air. They do get very dusty by the end of the grow and need replacing.



I run a 4" vortex with a 400w HPS, and have no heat issues. A 6" might be overkill for a small cab.

I'm using a CAN 9000 carbon filter. I'm on my 3rd run in the C13 and I still cannot smell a thing unless the doors are open.

My opinion. If you're waterfarming, you're not SOG'ing. Top (FIM, PINCH, BEND, w/e) and go bush style.

If you wanted to sog I'd say make a bed in the bottom of the cab or something.

Waterfarms tend to umm.. how do I say this... grow huge fucking trees. I found this out the hard way with a 30 day veg in a C13 before I flipped to flower. By the end of flower I had to completely re-build the cab practically, and re-mount the light, just so the girls would fit.

Throwin ideas out there for you.






I did a C13/Waterfarm run and LOVED it. Not enough space though! Trying other mediums out right now but do miss the farms.


The idea of a 1 Plant/1 Waterfarm scrog in the cab is jumping out at me.

 

[Where'sMyBud?]

Wow, thanks for the input guys...

I think I am going to go with the darkroom louvers, now that you mention it.

To Clarify, I will use the 6" Vortex (which I jsut got today - awesome!) to suck the air in the cab through the carbon scrubber. I'm looking at a Carbonaire model, 22" tall by 15.37" diameter, $160 shipped on bestgrowlights.com - only problem is where I would mount it in the cab. I think I would have to go with SEEDYNONO's idea and mount the carbon scrubber directly underneath the ceiling and have the reflector hang just below it...that would basically be the equivalet of having the top sheLf still in there and hang the reflector from that, I obviously would have to mount the fan upside down on the ceiling as well and sound proof it a bit...any suggestions on that? Will the 6" vortex be able to filter the odors as well as the heat through the scrubber?

I'll be using a small 100cfm inline fan to draw in fresh air from behind the cab through a 6" hole drilled out of the back wall near the top and route it directly through the Daystar AC reflector in 6" flexible ducting. I'll have the same ducting come form the reflector on the opposite side returning the air out another 6" hole on teh oppoistie side of the back wall form the intake hole. That way the air passing through the reflector never touched the plants thus never needs filtering through a carbon scrubber.

I'll post a drawing of all this in a few...

Toodles,

WMB

 

[MTF-Sandman]

Sounds like putting the scrubber on the outside is probably your best bet. Suck air through the light hood, through the fan, then out the cab into the scrubber. If you have a fan on the intake, make sure that the 6" Vortex doesn't turn off...or odors will leak out the cab due to the positive pressure from the smaller fan.

 

[Where'sMyBud?]

The vortex will not be hooked up to the reflector...the smaller inline duct booster will be pushing air from outside the cab through the reflector and exiting without ever leaving the ducting - so no need for it to be deodorized.

I need a custom scrubber, I think, which would be able to handle the 449cfm, that is like 48" tall and only 4-6" in diameter, that way it would be able to stand up in the cabinet in a back corner and not be in the way, and that the fan would be able to be inside the cab as well.

Can all carbon scrubbers be reversed, meaning that they can both suck air through the carbon and have air puched through it? I would obviously need a reversible one if it is going to be on top of the cab.

 

[stretchpuppy]

I agree with Sandman. All that stuff in your cab (C22?) is going to kill a lot of your grow room. You'll be FORCED to do SOG because you have no height.

If you use louvers use passive intake. Why push air through? It's more work, more holes, more electronics, more space being taken up.

KISS

 

[stretchpuppy]

Oh and yes, you can pull or push through the scrubber. My Vortex is mounted inside the cabs upper left corner. It pulls from my Super Sun and pushes it out the side of the cabinet, attached to my CAN filter that sits on top.

 

[Where'sMyBud?]

Stretch-

What do you mean by passive intake, if I use louvers?

I now plan on having the scrubber and the fan inside the cab, since the custom filter will be able to fit with the vortex attaached to it....

I will be losing about 20" of space on the top due to the fan and reflector op top of one another....so I should be able to do about 10 SOG insoil and one smaller plant, probably fIMed and tied down to always experiment with in the waterfarm...shoulda clarified that before.

Ignore the previosuly posted drawing...no good. I'll post a new one.

 

[Where'sMyBud?]

Thanks so much Sandman for the parts list for the DIY Scrubber - Can you post the link to the thread you made for your tutorial?

What is the approximate cost of materials, minus the charcoal? The lady who offered to build me a 36"x4" (with a 6" flange) said it would be $140 plus shipping - so I know I can definately save by doing it your way!

Thanks again bro,

WMB

 

[MTF-Sandman]

There's no thread...it was just the pics from an article I was writing for another site before it went down. I think everything except the carbon ended up running about $30-$35 as long as you have the tools (cordless drill/screwgun, needlenose pliers & tin snips)

 

[Maj.PotHead]

 

[Where'sMyBud?]

Sweet!

 

[Where'sMyBud?]

Louvers are on the way...

 

[Where'sMyBud?]

Cabinet...check.

they actually discontiniued the C25 too! I had to purchase the preassembled Display model! Then I went to get a piece of melmine for the back. They cut it to size (69 7/8 x 29 3/4) and never charged me for it! Fine by me!

 

[Where'sMyBud?]

all settup with the melamine backing.

Just finished spreading out the milar...very tough job!

Gonna wait for it to dry tonite and apply the weather stripping tommorrow.

Hooks are set in place for the refliector to hang, need to go get a 6" hole bit for my drill to cut out the hole for the ducting and inline fan.

Then I need to cut out the spaces for the darkroom louvers and install those, then I am set baby!