Cab of Dreams In Need Of Your Help

[White]

Hey guys. I noticed some problems with the plants when I got back the other day and they haven't gone away. At first, I thought it was water, since I hadn't given them any for around 4 days. Here's some detailed info and pics below to help diagnose the problem(s). Thanks in advance.

-White

SOIL GROW:

How long has this problem been going on? I've noticed it for 2 days

What STRAIN are you growing? ICE from nirvana and a speed queen crossed w/ sativa

What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?) seed

What is the age of your plants? 2 weeks old

How long have they been in the soil mixture they are in now? 2 weeks

How Tall are the plants? 3-5 in.

What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in? seedling

What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc) SOG

What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot) 1 per gatorade bottle

What substrate/medium are you using? What brand of soil mixture are you using?(percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?) LC's organic soil mix

What Nutrient's are you using? none yet

How much of each nutrient are you using with how much water? *Knowing the brand is very helpful* None yet, organic though

How often are you feeding? Not yet

What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"? 7-8ph

What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen? Liquid ph test

How often are you watering? When the pots are light, every few days

When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding? None yet

What size bulb are you using? 3 42W cfl, 1 26W cfl

What is the distance to the canopy? 3-5 inches

What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity) 30 percent (too low, I know)

What is the canopy temperature? 73-80

What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range) 7 degrees

What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.) 4" 80cfm fan

Tell us about your ventilation, intake exhaust and when its running and not running ? Plenty fine, running 24 hrs a day

Is the fan blowing directly at plants? Sometimes I turn one on to blow on the plants

Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist? No, bottom might be a little

Is your water HARD or SOFT?

What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water? Bottled water

Are you using water from a water softener? No

Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched? no

Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when? no

Are plant's infected with pest's? no


pics:

strange leaves:

mutant:

curling:

So, you can see some yellowing, curling and the two cases of strange leaf formation (not sure if related). I'd appreciate help to get this checked. It's not a problem now, but could be in the future if not corrected. Thanks.

Peace,
White

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Well you planted some seeds and got a few mutant leafs,now if this was 300 then they probably woulnd't make it.
lol any ways
your PH run off should be around 6.2-6.8,
7.0-8.0 seems a little high.

If I were your I would just do a flush of the medium and then add some Fish Emulsion (5-1-1) 1/4 dose when you water to your organic mix.

And what LC mix our you using?
LC’s Soiless Mix #1:
5 parts Canadian Spaghnam Peat or Coir or Pro-Moss
3 parts perlite
2 parts wormcastings or mushroom compost or home made compost
Powdered dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of the soiless mix.

Or, Did you use Pro Mix or Sunshine Mix...
LC's Soiless Mix #2:
6 parts Pro Mix BX or HP / Sunshine Mix (any flavor from #1 up)
2 parts perlite
2 parts earthworm castings
Powdered dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of the soiless mix.


Other then that the baby girl's look ok im sure they will grow out of it.

Sir.S.S.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

They look hungry

The weird looking ones will either grow out of it or they won't.

Don't flush your medium as you haven't put anything in there yet. Adding nuted water that's pH'd properly will bring down the soil pH naturally. Don't worry about the soil pH too much until you've fed them a few times first. (give the soil a chance to adjust)


Oh, and relax At this stage it's easy to over-worry about every little thing

 

[White]

Thanks for the advice guys. I think they're hungry too. they've been growing real hard and I think they want some food.

I'll ph adjust the water I give 'em and I'll be feeding them with an organic tea of worm castings and molasses. Does that sound good?

I think I might just be worrying about it, I mean they're still growing strong and seem to be okay. I just wanted to check any problems before it got out of hand.

I'm using LC's Mix #1. Also, the humidity is too low. I tried the old perlite and water trick, but it didn't work. I'm gonna get a humidifier today to bring it up from 30 percent. maybe that'll help with the leaves curling, food will help too

Okay, if I'm missing anything, let me know. Thanks guys.

Peace,
White

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Thanks for the advice guys. I think they're hungry too. they've been growing real hard and I think they want some food.

I'll ph adjust the water I give 'em and I'll be feeding them with an organic tea of worm castings and molasses. Does that sound good?

I think I might just be worrying about it, I mean they're still growing strong and seem to be okay. I just wanted to check any problems before it got out of hand.

I'm using LC's Mix #1. Also, the humidity is too low. I tried the old perlite and water trick, but it didn't work. I'm gonna get a humidifier today to bring it up from 30 percent. maybe that'll help with the leaves curling, food will help too

Okay, if I'm missing anything, let me know. Thanks guys.

Peace,
White

Don't sweat the humidity. As long as it's at least 25% you'll be fine. I've never had a grow that was over 35% RH and most of them have been at around 20%.

I'm not saying it doesn't effect the plant because it does. I'm saying that on our scale of growing it doesn't really matter as much.

I don't know spit about organic teas though. I use GH FloraNova nutes.

 

[White]

hey, I was just wondering, my plants are in clear bottles. When the light hits the roots, is that bad for the plant? I've heard yes and no, just curious.

 

[de Toke-ville]

Hey White, those plants aren't lookin' too bad my friend.

First of all, if you are growing organic, then secret squirrel has probably got something with the fish emulsion suggection, they look like they could use a little nitro and a castings and molasses tea alone might not cut it.

And Hydro-soil is right about humidity. This is my first grow in the desert and when I was having problem with my seedlings and the RH was 14% I was freaked out. But the truth was it had nothing to do with humidity.

I think these Dr. Bud-style 20oz bottle SOGs are cool.

-dTv

 

[Navigator330]

White.. I get alot of mutant plants, i find that a lil Mg and some zinc help them out alot! try a 1/4 dose of cal mag or soemthing before you fert them. Light does effect the roots, try giving them a nice dark cover like duct tape!

 

[White]

Hey guys,

Thanks for stopping by, I appreciate the input.

Nav, I'm gonna def. tape the bottles to block the light and I'll get some cal mag, I should've bought that from the start, when the hydro store guy recommended it.

here's my veg fert mix:

Veg
1/3 cup Worm Castings
5 tbs. Molasses
1/3 cup Alaska Fish Emulsion (5-1-1)
5 tsp. Maxicrop
1/3 cup Mexican Bat Guano (10-2-1)

In 5 Gal of Water
(every 3rd watering)

I guess that wont hurt to add the maxicrop and fish emulsion (we're on the same page secret squirrel), I'll wait to add the guano till next feeding.

Sounds good Hydro and de-Toke-ville. I guess 30 percent aint too bad.

I almost didn't want to start this thread because of pride, but I wouldn't let my babies suffer because of my ego. But after all, they ain't doing bad. And after these adjustments, they'll be doing even better. Thanks again for the input. Anything else?

Peace,
White

 

[Navigator330]

To be honest in veg i almost always use more cal mag then pbp grow! It serves the needs of the plants and gets extra nitrogen from the pbp grow.

If you want to raise ur ph in a small place with out big equipment, put a clean wet town in ur space every two days. Or seeing how your space is bigger than a rubber made grow, try a cool mist humidifier in there while lights are on. maybe route it in from the top or side somehow.


Good luck, Looks like we started about the same time im just behind ya!

 

[White]

Well,
Got some issues again.

Hope you don't mind but I'm just gonna link instead of retyping and putting pics in again.

It's #8 as you'll see. Spots on the leaves.

Link: #8 Problems

Thanks for the help.

Peace,
White

 

[White]

Is there anybody out there?

My friend Hydro-Soil said that bottled spring water (which I've been using) can cause the spotty leaves from the minerals in the water. I just need to switch to RO.

Just wondering if anyone else spots something besides that.

Peace,
White

 

[Navigator330]

I agree dont sweat it.

 

[Cozy Amnesia]

Well,
Got some issues again.

Hope you don't mind but I'm just gonna link instead of retyping and putting pics in again.

It's #8 as you'll see. Spots on the leaves.

Link: #8 Problems

Thanks for the help.

Peace,
White

Weird, I've never seen anything like it. It might be Mg or Ca, maybe a combo of a few things. Are you feeding full strength yet? Maybe they're telling you that you need to. But I really don't know anything about organic...

Is there anybody out there?

My friend Hydro-Soil said that bottled spring water (which I've been using) can cause the spotty leaves from the minerals in the water. I just need to switch to RO.

Just wondering if anyone else spots something besides that.

Peace,
White

I don't think mineral water could cause any harm because the plant actually uses those minerals. Pure H2O is actually poisonous to humans because our bodies need those minerals and plants are no different. That's why I don't use R/O.

 

[White]

I'm so ready to go get some Flora Nova and be done with all this guess work bullshit. Or I can keep on toughin it out and learn a lot from this shitty situation. I haven't taken pics lately, but #8 looks fucked; the bottom leaves are fried crispy yellow and brown, they're breaking off, but the new growth is green so.... wtf? I might have given too much nitrogen because I didn't measure my bat guano correctly (used too much) and I fertilized too early.

#2 and #5 (ICE) are hurting too and B.S.xS.Q #1 is hurting. The wierd thing is that ICE 6 and bsxsq 3 are fine and they started off bad, while #8 and #2 started off great (ICE 5 always sucked).

Trips me out. And, it looks like 3 of my ten clones might not make it. I hope they all make it. But 7/10 ain't too bad.

Someone please tell me I'll be okay, just so I can feel better. Or some advice so I'll do better. I hate to sound like a girl, but this bums me out to see some of my plants hurting

White

 

[Navigator330]

White.... get me a photo of your problem plants PM them too me, take a few shots from diff angles.... i will help u straighten it out man! No reason to lose a plant with all the resources and help round' here!

 

[White]

ok, asap tomorrow. I'm beat right now. Thanks a lot man. Later

Peace,
White

Actually, I won't wait till tomorrow. Charging camera now pics up soon.

 

[catman]

Hey White..

When you buy that bottled water the plant will need some CalMag. It's a flaw even of pure R/O water. Tap water is will not need the CalMag most likely. I was scared to switch to my tap, but so far no problems!

 

[White]

That's the worst of it. You know what though, my plants went and had to get better on me, those silly little buggers. I gave them a super good soak in plain water last night, they were thirsty because they didn't look this perky last night.

But you can see the bad leaves for sure. What would be the cause of it?

I though #8 was dead, but all the dead shit fell off and she's still the tallest one.