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minds_I

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EUREKA When you take a hit of marijuana, you might be inhaling a lot more than pot.

During a recent presentation at Humboldt State University, Jeffrey Raber said a study he conducted found that up to 70 percent of the pesticides found on a marijuana bud can transfer to the smoke being inhaled.

"I think that what's so alarming to us is that such a huge amount of pesticide material could be transferred," Raber said. "And, you have to consider that when you inhale [something], it's much like injecting it directly into your blood stream."

Raber who holds a Ph.D. in chemistry from the University of Southern California and runs The Werc Shop, a medical cannabis testing laboratory in Los Angeles spoke at HSU in November as the latest speaker in the Humboldt Institute for Interdisciplinary Marijuana Research's lecture series.

Titled "Medical Cannabis Quality Control in California: Keeping a Weed Free Garden," Raber's talk covered an array of topics focused on laboratory testing of marijuana, including the dangers of lurking contaminants and pesticides.

On the pesticide issue, Raber said it's important to remember that smoking a marijuana bud that's been sprayed with chemicals is far different than eating a non-organic tomato. First and foremost, he said, there are no controls over what's sprayed on marijuana crops. And, while most people would rinse off a tomato before eating it, they can't wash a bud before putting it in their pipe. The body also has filters in place for things that are ingested, he said, but not for what's inhaled.

"You don't have the first pass metabolism of the liver," he said. "You don't have the lack of absorptivity going through the stomach or the gut lining. It's a very different equation when you're inhaling."

Raber said about 10 percent of the marijuana that comes through his laboratory for testing registers positive for pesticides. Those samples are only from medical marijuana dispensaries and patients who have sought out testing, he said. In a small random study his laboratory performed, Raber said more than 35 percent of marijuana failed pesticide tests.

"I think all that says is we really, really need some serious regulations within California to help us clean up our supply, especially in the medical patient context," Raber said. "These are people that are immunocompromised, they're undergoing chemotherapy, they're very sick with antibacterial loads. We can't be subjecting them to more of these types of potentially harmful contaminants when they're looking to this as a medicine source."



Pesticides at grow sites

Humboldt County Sheriff Mike Downey said his deputies have been finding massive amounts of high-powered pesticides at marijuana gardens throughout the county, many of which have posted medical marijuana recommendations meaning the marijuana grown there could be heading for collectives and, ultimately, to patients.

"I would be very concerned if I were a consumer," Downey said.

Downey said he's been looking for a study like Raber's to quantify the dangers of smoking pesticide-laden marijuana, and he hopes to see more.

"I think there needs to be some type of direct evidence of what [patients] are getting, what they're smoking, so the general public can start to understand what they're dealing with," Downey said.

Raber's study only goes so far. He said his laboratory tests for 30 to 40 types of chemicals, and works off the United States Environmental Protection Agency intake limits for things like apples and pears. It's far from an exact science, and he said his laboratory hasn't done any testing looking at variations between specific pesticides.

Downey said he'd like to see some studies specifically looking at cumulative impacts of inhaling these substances over the course of years, or even decades.



Concern for patients

Mary Ellen Jerkavich, executive director of the Humboldt Patient Resource Center, said she believes marijuana is inherently a safe product, but is being turned into something decidedly unsafe by growers looking to maximize profits or save their crops by any means necessary when spider mites or other pests strike.

"When you [use pesticides], you've turned it into something different," she said. "It's crazy. It's super scary."

Jerkavich said her center grows all of its own product and doesn't use pesticides or other chemicals. The center sends samples to be tested, she said, trying to make sure it is offering patients a reliably consistent product. When initially looking for a testing laboratory, Jerkavich said the center sent samples to four labs to test for levels of THC, Cannabidiol and Cannabinol. Each lab returned vastly different results, she said.

That touches on another problem with the industry, according to Raber, who said that just as there is no licensing or oversight of growers, there is none for testing laboratories either.

"Unfortunately, today in California, anyone can pretty much call themselves a lab, which is sometimes pretty demeaning to the word," he said. "There's no qualification."

The pesticide issue was just a small point in Raber's larger talk at HSU, which touched on everything from erroneous branding at dispensaries and testing procedures to the various components of marijuana and the ways to determine the best strands to treat specific ailments. One theme was consistent, however.

"Buyer beware," Raber said. "You should really look for lab-tested products. ... With no regulations and no quality control, anything that can be brought out to the market will go out to the market."

Downey, who has gotten a close-up look at some of the supply side of that market in Humboldt County, said the state needs to step up to the plate and regulate the marijuana industry.

"We have legislators that are supposed to be dealing with this kind of thing, but they continue to bury their heads in the sand," Downey said. "I think the general public is at risk. Where is the common sense in this? There is none."


http://www.mendocinobeacon.com/ci_2...tudy-finds-that-pesticides-transfer-marijuana

Hello all,

Thought this is interesting enough to share.

Glad I tend my own.

minds_I
 

jpt again

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Certainly he knows his business;

Has anyone died from Mexican Brick Weed pesticides? just a little curious?

Maybe one day we'll be able to buy certified organic mmj; i hope! jpt
 

Gry

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Excuse me, but the question might well be rephrased: Did you ever hear of anyone's health that ever improved from the consumption of any pesticide?
With the amount they spend on lobby efforts and advertising, and settlements for lawsuits, it is likely you may have heard almost anything, but the truth.

Yes, people did die from the stuff, and still do every day. You should read about the industry and it's history, real nasty.
 
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dank.frank

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I wish he was more specific about WHAT he was finding traces off....aside from leaving it as open and generic as "pesticide"...

THIS = why I will ALWAYS grow my own!!!



dank.Frank
 

stoned-trout

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all weed should be tested...then we can weed out the assholes.....medicinal products should always be tested for sure no exceptions..it would be nice if the cheaters get caught and level the playing field for us that don't use harsh pesticides....
 
Old news. This has been shared a lot. Most people don't give a fuck though.

It's sad what people will use on plants that are going to be ingested by humans.
 

morningdewd

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not many people have the conscious it takes to dump a crop and take a loss when it gets a fatal case of powdery mildew or severe uncontrollable pests.,theyd rather nuke it with some shit and send it down the line.
 

Skip

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not many people have the conscious it takes to dump a crop and take a loss when it gets a fatal case of powdery mildew or severe uncontrollable pests.,theyd rather nuke it with some shit and send it down the line.
If a grower is knowledgeable he/she can deal with just about anything without using dangerous chemicals. The info is out there.

A conscious grower will be aware of what is going on with their crop from start to finish and things should not get out of hand.

I'd go so far as to say that if a grower can't keep track of what's going on then they're growing too much and should consider paying more attention, cutting back or getting help.

Consumers should do their best to discover what they can about the cannabis they consume. Ask questions. If they can't answer, don't buy it. If something doesn't taste right, don't smoke it. Let sellers know you want only organically grown and tested. The more ppl who request this (and act upon it) the more likely sellers will get the message and be more strict with their growers.

I've seen how lackadaisical some growers of regular produce (like peaches) can be about pesticides, fungicides and herbicides. They don't even follow directions. Here in California the directions should be in Spanish too for obvious reasons. So the whole agricultural industry is pretty much guilty of poisoning us for decades (since DDT days)

But as has been said, medicine is something that requires much more quality control. On the one hand, I feel everyone should be allowed to grow their own, but on the other if it's going to be sold as medicine to sick ppl, it's got to rise to a higher level. Many medical dispensaries do their best, but they are often limited by what appears before them. I bet in places like Washington today, they're selling whatever they can get their hands on...
 
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Jellyfish

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I been inhaling garbage my whole life, big deal. Like Capt. Ahab said, grow your own, problem solved.
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bigAl25

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Frank said it, grow your own then I and my friends don't inhale any pesticides. That's why I'm taking my own stuff on our Colorado vacation, safe ganja for me and my family.
 

morningdewd

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"Homegrown s'alright with me,homegrown is the way it should be,homegrown is a good thing,plant that bell and let it ring!"...........Neil Young
 

stoned-trout

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its all homegrown somewhere..... theres a lot of growers here using systemic stuff on their crops......it seems to be the old timers that are smarter and use safe practices....I had one young guy tell me it was gone in 2 weeks...buyer beware
 

gekolite

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Yes you cannot believe our government on the safety of anything . I do not know if anyone is aware of the alarming increase in autism rates in our kids . Duh , with all the new chemicals , herbicides, pesticides etc . that are approved and used in the environment today , it is not hard to figure out . The problem is that big chemical lobbyists court our legislators , and make sure their products are approved . If you believe the that any chemical is safe think again ,, you are just fooling yourself ,and poisoning others . Sure you may not notice the effects on your body now ,, just wait until you are 50 or 60 and come down with some weird illness or cancer . the only true safe way is organic ,,and anyone that says otherwise has a rude karmic awakening coming their way .
 

Dropped Cat

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Organic is not large scale sustainable, but certainly better than the chem laden
dreck the fed allows us to feed our children.

Keep safe, and spread the word.
 

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