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Burma ('Myanmar') - Three killed as troops battle protesters (two monks among dead)

greenhead

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This is just another example in a long string of events that shows just how incompetent, useless and irrelevant the UN has become. China fully supports the military dictatorship in Burma, and as long as they refuse to budge, then little will happen. Russia has also protected the military dictatorship in the UN by passing vetoes along with China.

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skatachack

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To support the munks in the fascist regime of Burma.
Wear a red t-shirt or simular on friday 28.09.2007
This is a world wide grassroots movement
http://www.digg.com/world_news/Red_t_shirt_for_Burma

PEACE
 

Orangecrush

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This article says that the death toll is now up to 9.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21003194/

These are very very brave people. In the face of a tyrant they are standing up for what they believe in. And the fact that in the face of torture or murder, they continue to march on in peace. I can only hope that their courage spreads around the world.
 

BadKarma

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Orangecrush said:
This article says that the death toll is now up to 9.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21003194/

These are very very brave people. In the face of a tyrant they are standing up for what they believe in. And the fact that in the face of torture or murder, they continue to march on in peace. I can only hope that their courage spreads around the world.

Yes they are.
 

ngakpa

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The Guardian has put together a special report section on this online

The action now being taken against the 500 or so arrested monks is no doubt unthinkable, worse than the beating and looting when the monasteries were attacked.... it's said the grounds and living quarters are still soaked in blood from the beatings given to the sleeping novices

http://www.guardian.co.uk/burma/story/0,,2178922,00.html
Nine dead after troops fire into crowds of democracy protesters


· Mayhem as crackdown gathers pace on 10th day of protests
· Civilians take to streets after hundreds of monks arrested

Ian MacKinnon, South-East Asia correspondent
Friday September 28, 2007
The Guardian


[photo: Kenji Nagai, a Japanese photographer with AFP, lies on the ground after being shot by soldiers in Rangoon. He later died. Photo: Reuters]


Burmese troops and riot police battled to put an end to the 10th consecutive day of protests against the country's military dictatorship that has maintained an iron grip on power for 45 years, firing automatic weapons into crowds of pro-democracy demonstrators in Rangoon after they flouted warnings to clear the streets or face "extreme action".

A Japanese photographer, Kenji Nagai, 50, was among at least nine people killed in the fierce clashes. Thousands of protesters played a deadly game of cat and mouse with the police and troops, continually dispersing as they were attacked and reforming to taunt the security forces who used teargas, baton charges and live ammunition against them.

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Fewer monks were seen on the streets yesterday as up to 500 had been arrested and many others confined to their quarters by soldiers who raided six monasteries around the capital from dawn onwards. Leaders of the National League for Democracy were also rounded up.

Pools of blood remained in monastery dormitories and stairwells where the troops had smashed in windows and doors, and beat the young novices as they lay sleeping. In some raids shots were fired and a senior abbot at Moe Ngway monastery was said to have died later in the afternoon.

The ferocity of the attacks on the monks, the ransacking of monasteries that saw Buddhist relics vandalised and gold looted, according to diplomatic sources, shocked ordinary Burmese people, who revere the clergy.

It set the tone for a day that echoed months of violence in 1988 that ended with the massacre of 3,000 students and monks in a pro-democracy uprising.

Burmese people took to the streets yesterday in protests that were more spontaneous and chaotic than those of the previous days when the monks had taken the lead, both protecting and being protected by their supporters.

Truckloads of soldiers and police were out in much greater force from early morning at strategic points around Rangoon. Barbed wire barricades blocked roads and empty prison trucks awaited their cargo as water canon and fire engines stood by.

"Clearly the military had calculated that seven or eight days of protests needed to be brought to a halt," said Mark Canning, Britain's ambassador to Burma. "I would imagine that people [the military] have gone back to the drawing board and concluded that they needed to turn up the measures further. We deplore that and think that sort of violence is going to make matters worse."

Security forces on foot and in vans toured the city with loudspeakers, urging residents to clear the streets within 10 minutes or face "extreme force", warnings that went unheeded among the crowds, who appeared not to care about the danger.

By lunchtime a large, angry mob had gathered near the Sule pagoda, a focal point of earlier protests, despite the presence of large numbers of security forces at the Buddhist shrine.

About 3,000 demonstrators sat down in the road before the ranks of riot police, clapping and chanting, taunting the security forces - who took no action at first. But then police and soldiers pushed the crowd and began firing into the protesters, wounding at least four though it was not clear how severely.

One of the demonstrators caught in the crossfire called the BBC on his mobile phone to relay the horror unfolding in front of him. "They have shot several times into the crowd," he shouted, the panic around him clearly audible. "One person has been injured. They've used teargas. The injured person has been put in a car and taken off to hospital. They've used force on us."

The onslaught scattered the panic-stricken protesters, who left sandals lying in the road. But they soon regrouped nearby and found themselves being pushed back again by the riot police. Their retreat was blocked by a phalanx of soldiers. Sandwiched between the two sets of security forces, the crowds rushed down a sidestreet, and diplomats saw and heard volleys of shots, though were unsure if anyone was hit.

Calm was restored for a time before another wave of protesters appeared near the Sule pagoda to be confronted by the military. Again the troops opened fire and another four protesters fell.

At about the same time, western diplomats reported another standoff in the north-eastern Rangoon suburb of Damway, when an angry mob came upon four army trucks packed with troops.

Surrounding by the jeering crowds still seething over the treatment meted out to the monks during the overnight raids, the troops again fired their weapons.

Other crowds around the city were involved in sporadic clashes with the security forces, particularly those who tried to approach the monasteries where the troops were still maintaining a vigil.

In the second city, Mandalay, troops also shadowed protesting monks who were baton charged by riot officers, injuring many, but there were no reports of the soldiers opening fire.



Special report
More on Burma
 

pipeline

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Oh my goodness, this is not good! What terrible things humans are capable of doing under "official order"...... I pray this ends well.... :cuss: :nono:
 

Gypsy Nirvana

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I was in Burma (Myanmar) this time last year and felt the pain of the people there.......subjegated......controlled like no other place I had been to......A very beautifull country though......and very Buddhist........was even advised by the Brit government not to visit there but still went......

....a sim card for a mobile phone would cost $2000 and had to be aprooved by the military dictatorship......a clapped out ex-Singaporean taxi with 200,000 kilometers on the clock would cost $20,000.......most people IF employed earned about $1 a day.....so making communication and personnal transportation virtually impossible for most all....oh and many websites were blocked if you ever managed to get online......

.....I do hope the Burmese people can free themselves from the mantle of oppression soon.....then I would gladly go back......it really is a facinating country....
 

panopticist

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The trouble is, we may not know what's really happening in Burma until it's too late, because the government is preventing their populace from accessing the internet; presumably to 'hide' their actions from the rest of the world.

My heart goes out to those fighting for their freedom!
 

b8man

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Really really messed up what's going on in Myanmar/Burma.

Any nation willing to employ technological and military intelligence to wipe out the "government" swiftly and cleanly would be most welcome. Surely there's an assassination lazer-satellite floating around up there?

Here in Malaysia we're getting a bit of an influx of Burmese immigrants getting the hell out of dodge before all out war breaks out. Just met a guy tonight who has just got here and all he was saying is that a major uprising is coming and it's going to be messy. Locals aren't happy about going anywhere near the country - including the south of Thailand.

If someone leaks a story that there's oil in Burma it would be "assisted" in seconds.
 

ngakpa

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there is talk of discontented elements within the military who may be a source of an uprising - I will post the link when I remember it

(the colonel previously in charge of containing the situation in Rangoon was removed from his post on the grounds that he was too soft)

someone above mentioned oil - you should read about Total Oil

http://www.guardian.co.uk/burma/story/0,,2179814,00.html
Eyewitness

'At first I cried tears of joy. Now I don't believe we will change anything'



A 39-year-old Burmese man who has taken part in this week's protests in Rangoon spoke to the Guardian on condition of anonymity

Interview by Helen Pidd
Saturday September 29, 2007
The Guardian

"Today was the first day I went to the protests on my own. All my friends were too scared to go out on the streets after being gassed and shot at over the last few days. I woke up feeling more depressed and less optimistic than I have all week, but I felt it was my duty to carry on protesting. I was frightened, but aren't we all? If everybody hid indoors, nothing will ever change, and we will never be able to draw attention to the hopeless situation our country is facing. I need to stand and be counted.

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I left the house at around noon and took a taxi downtown. I could have taken a bus - public transport is still running normally and most people are carrying on their working lives.

When I arrived in the centre, there were around 20,000 people gathered in the street, far fewer than earlier in the week, when there were up to 100,000 people. The crowd was made up of ordinary citizens; the average age was probably 25, though there were older people too. I didn't see more than five or six monks: they are all still being kept somewhere secret after the military rounded them up on Wednesday night. We still don't know where they are or whether they are OK.

I couldn't believe it when I heard about monks being killed: they are the ones who bless babies after they have been born, and they remain hugely important to Buddhists throughout their lives. Almost everyone in Burma is Buddhist, including 99% of the army and police, so I can't understand how they could even consider laying a finger on a monk, let alone murdering them.

On other days we have marched around town. But today we just stood together, peacefully and quietly. We didn't even clap or shout any slogans, and unlike before, no one was carrying the flag of the opposition party, the National League of Democracy, or Buddhist flags. The important thing was simply being there.

Then, at around 1 o'clock, the military arrived at one end of the road and tried to break up the group. Before long another truck appeared at the other end, and I saw three or four other trucks pass, filled with protesters.

The crowd then got angry, and people started swearing at the soldiers, saying 'this is bullshit' and 'hey, ****ing die'. That's when the soldiers started shooting. Not teargas, but bullets. I was about 20 yards away, but I didn't get hit. I don't know if anyone else did, as I ran away as fast as I could. I was too frightened to turn around. I ran to the cafe where my friends were gathered and told them what I had seen, though they had been following it on CNN. I felt so, so sad. When we heard on the news on Thursday night that people had been killed I was in shock. Even Burmese television admitted that nine people were dead.

I took part in the protests in 1988 when I was just 19, and this week has brought back all the memories. It was seeing a fellow student killed on that demonstration which fired my political consciousness and developed my revolutionary spirit. But the big difference between 1988 and what is happening now is that back then the protest was started by students. This one originated with the monks. I was away on a work trip when all this started, but my friends sent me text messages to tell me the monks had started marching and I couldn't believe it. Monks never normally get involved in politics, so I knew this was important.

The next morning I met with my friends in a tea shop and we discussed what to do. We had seen the monks on television, dressed in their heavy robes despite the sweltering heat, and thought we could help them by bringing along water.

On the first day, I felt very excited. We went to the Shwedagon pagoda, Burma's most sacred shine, where we saw 60,000 monks and quite a few ordinary members of the public. That day we all marched to a park and heard speeches. There were no more than five riot policemen that day, but we joined hands around the monks to protect them. I went home elated and that night cried tears of joy.

On Wednesday it started getting nasty. Again, we went to the Shwedagon pagoda with water, but arrived to find the four entrances blocked by barbed wire. About 200 monks who had gone ahead of the others were trapped inside. When other monks tried to get in, the riot police started using teargas and beat up around 20 of the monks, as well as around 100 ordinary people who were helping the monks. They were taken away in a truck, where they were beaten like animals with a baton.

Meanwhile, the military stormed the pagoda, not even bothering to take their shoes off, which is one of the most disrespectful things you can do to a holy place of Buddhists. Although my eyes were stinging from the teargas, at that point I still felt optimistic: we were suffering for democracy and for the freedom of future generations.

But my optimism faded on Thursday when we arrived to find the pagoda and nearby monastery deserted. It was then we learned the monks had been rounded up during a dawn raid and taken away by the military.

I am rapidly losing hope. After such a joyful beginning, I now don't believe that we will be able to change anything."
 

ngakpa

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An Urgent Appeal From Rangoon - Burma

Dear Friend

"We are living in hell. Please help us."

Just half an hour ago, despite the regime's attempts to cut off
communication, we received a message from Rangoon. They want the world
to know what is going on in Burma, and appealed for more international
pressure.

"Everyone is so afraid. People are scared to go out into the streets,
most shops are shut. The world must know what is going on, we need
international pressure. If the pressure continues the regime can't survive. Maybe a few months, but it can't survive if the pressure continues."


The Burma Campaign UK is here to deliver that support, to pressure the
international community to take action against the regime in Burma. In
the past week we received more than 600 calls a day from journalists, and
we have made sure that news from Burma has reached the television
programmes and newspapers you have been reading. We are pressuring governments to impose targeted economic sanctions, and push for a global arms embargo against the regime. And we are having an impact. Yesterday British Prime Minister Gordon Brown personally called us and pledged to push for strong economic sanctions by the European Union.

But we are a small organisation, desperately short of funds, and we are
struggling deliver the support that the people of Burma are asking us
for. We need your help.

Please make a donation on our website now. Visit:
http://www.burmacampaign.org.uk/

Please take action:
Visit our website at: http://www.burmacampaign.org.uk/

There will be a new campaign action on our website every day.

Two days ago another person in Rangoon told us:

"All night long I could hear people screaming and crying out for help. Soldiers were beating everyone they found. We are living in hell. Please help us."


Please donate as much as you can. We can help them * with your support.
http://www.burmacampaign.org.uk/

Mark Farmaner
Burma Campaign UK

PLEASE FORWARD THIS MESSAGE TO FRIENDS WHO MIGHT BE WILLING TO HELP US.
 

ngakpa

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"Please use your liberty to promote ours" Aung San Suu Kyi

"Please use your liberty to promote ours" Aung San Suu Kyi

Global Day of Action for Burma

The largest global demonstration for Burma will take place on:
Saturday 6th October, 12noon
Details to be confirmed soon.

UK
Every Day
Time: 24 hour Vigil
Place: Parliament Square, London. Nearest tube: Westminster

Sunday 30th September, 2007
Time: 11:30am start
Place: Trafalgar Square to Downing Street – march.

Sunday 30th September, 2007
Time: 11.30am start
Place: Brighton: Assemble at Palace Pier for silent walk and end at the Peace Statue (Hove Lawns)

Monday 1st October, 2007
Time: 12:00pm – 1:00pm
Place: Burmese Embassy - 19A Charles Street, London, W1J 5DX.
Nearest tube: Green Park

Monday 1st October, 2007
Time: 2:30pm – 3:00pm
Place: Downing Street, SW1, London.

Monday 1st October, 2007
Time: 3:30 – 4:30pm
Place: Embassy of the Federal Republic of Germany, 23 Belgrave Square, SW1X 8PZ, London, SW1 8PZ.

Monday 1st October, 2007
Time: 4:30pm
Place: Sheffield: Sheffield Town Hall, Peace Gardens

Monday 1st October, 2007
Time: 12-1pm
Place: Newcastle upon Tyne: Grey's Monument
A silent vigil for peace. Red clothes or red armbands are encouraged

Thursday 4th October, 2007
Time: 6pm
Place: Edinburgh: St John's Church Hall, Princes Street

Saturday 6th October, 2007
GLOBAL DAY OF ACTION

DETAILS TO FOLLOW
Time: 12 noon
Place : Worldwide locations to be confirmed

For more details: Contact us at [email protected]

contact details for Worldwide Burma organisations
http://www.burmacampaign.co.uk/links.html


Military Crackdown: Hundreds of Monks arrested and at least 200 reported dead
http://www.burmacampaign.co.uk/crackdown.php

Security forces and armed military troops have launched a violent crackdown on demonstrators. State media reported that nine protesters were killed but reports suggest the death toll is much higher.

Security forces attempted to disperse tens of thousands of people gathered near Sule Pagoda in Rangoon and South Okkalapa Township on Thursday afternoon, witnesses said. The report could not be independently confirmed. Scores of people were beaten by security forces.

Troops fired directly into protesting crowds, using automatic weapons on at least one occasion. Warning shots were also fired above the heads of protesters as an estimated 70,000 anti-government demonstrators braved the overpowering force of the troops and security forces.

Protesters were outraged at security forces following an overnight raid on at least three Buddhist monasteries. Soldiers reportedly beat up and arrested about 700 monks, who had spearheaded the largest challenge to the junta since a failed democracy uprising 19 years ago. One monk reportedly died.

The Japanese Embassy reported on Thursday evening that a Japanese photojournalist died in the gunfire.

Source: Irrawaddy
 
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