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Burma ('Myanmar') - Three killed as troops battle protesters (two monks among dead)

ngakpa

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By Aung Hla Tun Reuters - 32 minutes ago

YANGON (Reuters) - Seething crowds of Buddhist monks and civilians filled the streets of Myanmar's main city on Wednesday, defying warning shots, tear gas and baton charges meant to quell the biggest anti-junta protests in 20 years.


Two monks and a civilian were killed, hospital and monastery sources said, as years of pent-up frustration at 45 years of unbroken military rule in the former Burma produced the largest crowds yet during a month of protests.

Some witnesses estimated 100,000 people took to the streets despite fears of a repeat of the ruthless suppression of Myanmar's last major uprising, in 1988, when soldiers opened fire, killing an estimated 3,000 people.

"They are marching down the streets, with the monks in the middle and ordinary people either side. They are shielding them, forming a human chain," one witness said over almost deafening roars of anger at security forces.

As darkness fell, however, people dispersed ahead of a dusk-to-dawn curfew. The streets were almost deserted.

In the second city of Mandalay, also under curfew, the Asian Human Rights Commission said there was no opposition to 10,000 protesting against grinding poverty in a country seen 50 years ago as one of Asia's brightest prospects and now one of its most desperate.

World leaders appealed again to the junta to exercise restraint on protests that started against fuel prices rises last month and erupted into a major revolt after soldiers fired shots over monks in the town of Pakokku on September 5.

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown called for an immediate U.N. Security Council meeting, vowing "no impunity" for human rights violators in the country.

Singapore also called for restraint. The city state is current chairman of a Southeast Asian grouping that is one of the few such bodies to have isolated Myanmar as a member.

"We call upon all parties to avoid provocative actions and to work towards reconciliation and a peaceful resolution of the situation," the Foreign Ministry said.

France said it must be made clear to all Myanmar officials "that they will be held personally responsible for all acts of violence committed against the population".

In neighbouring Thailand, the army was preparing C-130 planes to airlift its citizens from Yangon if the violence escalated, and troops on the border were braced for a flood of refugees.

MONKS ARRESTED

At the start of an extraordinary afternoon, riot police fired tear gas at columns of monks trying to push their way past barricades sealing off the Shwedagon Pagoda, Myanmar's holiest shrine and the starting point of more than a week of marches.

As many as 200 maroon-robed monks were arrested at the gilded shrine as the Buddhist priesthood, the country's highest moral authority, went head-to-head with the might of the military.

"This is a test of wills between the only two institutions in the country that have enough power to mobilise nationally," said Bradley Babson, a retired World Bank official who worked in Myanmar.

"Between those two institutions, one of them will crack," he said. "If they take overt violence against the monks, they risk igniting the population against them."

The junta, whose leaders remain hunkered down in a new capital 250 miles (385km) to the north, had tried to keep the monks off the streets, sending trucks of soldiers and police to block six activist monasteries early in the morning.

After mass protests on Monday, a senior general also warned top abbots to rein in their young charges or face the consequences. Loudspeakers blared out threats that military force could be used against illegal gatherings.

People took to the streets regardless and roared their anger as some monks were beaten and manhandled by riot police as they were taken away from the Shwedagon.

CHINA'S INFLUENCE

The generals also rounded up more prominent dissidents, including comedian Za Ga Na, who had urged people to take to the streets.

Ranks of riot police remained outside the lakeside home of detained opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi to ensure no attempt was made to pluck the 62-year-old Nobel laureate from house arrest.

Suu Kyi has spent much of the last 18 years in prison or under house arrest. Pictures of her praying with monks on Saturday were the first time she had been seen her most recent detention in May 2003.

In the northwest coastal town of Sittwe, which has seen some of the biggest crowds outside Yangon, residents said 10,000 took to the streets on Wednesday, the Buddhist holy day.

The 27-nation European Union said it would "reinforce and strengthen" sanctions against Myanmar's rulers if the demonstrations were put down by force.

China, the closest the junta has to a friend, has been making an effort recently to let the generals know how worried the international community is, a Beijing-based diplomat said, although it has refrained from public pressure.

Representatives of Myanmar's pro-democracy and ethnic groups told Reuters Chinese officials had been meeting quietly with them behind the scenes for months, partly hedging their bets in their resource-rich neighbour.

(Additional reporting by Darren Schuettler in Bangkok)

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20070926/tpl-uk-myanmar-43a8d4f_10.html
 
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I'm afraid this will be the beginning of he kind of slaying we saw in 1988, at least 3000 people got killed. I have hughe respect for those monks and common people risking their life to speak out. Free speech is underestimated in the developed countries because we've become so used to it.
 
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Does anybody want to discuss the United State's roll in installing and maintaining this brutal military dictatorship?
 

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2.15pm update
Protesters 'bloodied' as junta cracks down


Live coverage: Burma protests
http://www.guardian.co.uk/burma/story/0,,2177297,00.html

Ian MacKinnon, south-east Asia correspondent, Mark Tran and agencies
Wednesday September 26, 2007
Guardian Unlimited

At least one person was killed and five wounded during mass protests in Burma today.

The Burmese military junta sent in police to disperse thousands of demonstrators in the administrative capital, Rangoon, reports said.

Reuters said all the dead and injured had suffered gunshot wounds, citing a hospital source in the city.

There were also reports from Burmese bloggers that three monks had been killed in Mandalay, the country's second largest city.

As the protests turned violent, the French foreign minister, Bernard Kouchner, said the UN security council would meet to discuss the situation this afternoon, according to AFP.

Earlier, the prime minister, Gordon Brown, called for an emergency meeting of the council on the rapidly developing events. France holds the rotating presidency of the security council.

The clashes between Burmese riot police, backed by troops, and hundreds of protesters broke out as monks, nuns and students attempted to gather at the Rangoon's Shwedagon pagoda, the country's holiest Buddhist shrine in defiance of a government ban on public assembly.

Police squads baton-charged the crowd of around 700 people, and witnesses said between 80 and 100 protesters, some bloodied and injured, were arrested and taken away in army vehicles with obscured identification numbers.

Tear gas was also used to quell the demonstrators, and there were reports that six shots had been heard in the Shwedagon area.

The neighbourhood has been one of the focal points for more than a week of demonstrations that have escalated into the biggest challenge to the military junta in almost 20 years.

Many of the monks wore face masks to protect themselves from gas, and some carried flags showing a fighting peacock - a key symbol of the democracy movement.

The junta's moves to halt the protests came after it imposed a night curfew in Rangoon and Mandalay, banning gatherings of more than five people.

Up to ten pro-democracy activists were arrested in police raids overnight. Zaganar, a comedian famed for his anti-government jibes, and U Win Naing, a veteran government opponent, were among the most high-profile.

However, despite the military's determination to halt the ninth consecutive day of marches, a group of around 200 monks, surrounded by their supporters, set off from the Shwedagon pagoda towards the city centre, their ranks swelling to several thousand.

Another group of between 400 and 500 monks marched from the Nyaungdone monastery, in the Pazunting suburb of Rangoon.

Barbed wire roadblocks have been erected in parts of Rangoon, and security forces have thrown a tight cordon around the home of the detained opposition leader, Aung San Suu Kyi.

At the Sule pagoda in Rangoon, around 1,000 people gathered in front of hundreds of troops and riot police who waited in a park behind the shrine but did not intervene.

Security forces were also present at five other monasteries around the city.

In Mandalay, more than 100 soldiers, armed with assault rifles, were deployed around the Mahamuni Paya Pagoda, erecting a barricade and barbed wire at the gate where monks had marched out to protest.

Five military trucks were seen inside the monastery compound, while other soldiers were stationed along the road into the fabled city of temples and palaces.

"We are so afraid ... the soldiers are ready to fire on civilians at any time," a man near the pagoda said.

Foreign governments and religious leaders have urged the junta to deal peacefully with the situation. They included the Dalai Lama and South African Archbishop Desmond Tutu, both Nobel peace prize laureates like Ms Suu Kyi.

The US president, George Bush, announced new sanctions against Burma, accusing the military dictatorship of imposing "a 19-year reign of fear" that denied basic freedoms of speech, assembly and worship.

Mark Canning, Britain's ambassador to Burma, yesterday met Burmese leaders and urged continued restraint. Mr Canning said he told ministers that the demonstrations "have been peaceful and well-disciplined".

"It will be disastrous in the eyes of the world on Burma if the authorities use force," he added.

Human rights groups have called on the military government to release political activists and begin serious dialogue with the opposition.

"The obligation of the international community, particularly Burma's allies, is to press the military to do that, including through a special session of the [UN] human rights council," said Adams, the Asia director at Human Rights Watch, based in New York, said.

"Anything less is tantamount to support for prolonged military rule and an endorsement of the clearly bankrupt political and economic system the generals have constructed."

In 1988, the Burmese junta brutally put down a student-led uprising, in which 3,000 demonstrators were killed.
 
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ngakpa

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Burma regime planning to infiltrate demonstrations to spark violence
24 Sep 2007

Burma Campaign UK sources in Rangoon have reported that soldiers have been
ordered to shave their heads, in possible preparation for infiltrating
peaceful demonstrations. They would start rioting or attacking police,
providing the regime with a pretext for a brutal crackdown on protestors.

Sources indicate that soldiers from Light Battalion 77 in Rangoon have been
given the order. Sources also report that the regime has ordered 3,000
monks’ robes from a factory in Rangoon.

It is a tactic the regime has used in the past, including at the Depayin
massacre in 2003, during which Aung San Suu Kyi was arrested. Regime militia
dressed as monks were involved in the ambush which left up to 100 democracy
activists dead. State television today reported that action would be taken
against protestors.

“We know from experience that the regime is capable of opening fire on
civilians,” said Mark Farmaner, acting Director of Burma Campaign UK. “The
regime came to power on the back of a massacre in 1988 that left at least
3,000 civilians dead. They have also been accused by the UN of breaking the
Geneva Convention for their deliberate targeting of civilians in attacks on
ethnic minorities.”

Despite the widespread expectations that the regime will use violence to
suppress protest, the international community has been remarkably silent,
with the French government being the only one to make a strong statement
warning of consequences if the regime responds with violence. ASEAN has also
expressed concern.

“The regime has been held in check by the peoples’ respect for the monks and
the fact that the world is watching, but the scale of protests means they
will be looking for options that allow them to justify a crackdown,”said
Mark Farmaner. “The UN Secretary General and other world leaders must speak
out and make it clear that a violent response in unacceptable. At the moment
the international community seems to be willing to watch from the sidelines
as the regime moves closer to a massacre. If the regime does attack
protestors, this will have been one of the most widely predicted massacres
in recent history, and makes a mockery any government’s claim to be
committed to human rights.”

http://www.burmacampaign.org.uk/pm/weblog.php?id=P278
 
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Sgt. you just want to ruin every single thread you run across dont you?You are bordering on mental illness with your anti-US obsessions,not that I give a puke but your family might.Maybe all these feelings should be discussed with a professional.Lets not turn a thread about monks being killed into blaming it on the US OK?Actually I have to question if you even live in the USA.You talk about having all your freedoms taken away and how dangerous the gov't is at the same time openly advocating its overthrow.You apparently either don't care about the Feds at your front door,or don't believe the shit that comes out of your own mouth.If I were the staff here I'd be a little more concerned about people advocating treason then a motherfocker trying to help someone off opiates...but hey I'm a strange one..
 
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Instead of being interested in how we promote such atrocity, you claim I'm anti US.

You just DENY it exists so you can get cheap products and a nice place to vacation. Asshole.

We installed this military dictator, and now you'd like to pretend that's not true. I'm disgusted at what is going down over there, and I'm EVEN MORE DISGUSTED THAT OUR GOVERNMENT, AND MY TAX DOLLARS go to support this regime.

It's no secret if you'd only open your hateful mind.
 
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nycdfan042

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Sgt do you have to infect every single thread you encounter with your cancer of words?? this thread isnt about you its about the horrible events going on in burma...dont hijack this thread bro ,....respect NGAKPA oh yea and american feels the same way i do about your stupid comments im sure were not alone, there is chatter of filing an official complaint with Old Pink, because youre becoming increasingly obnoxious and could be a security risk for this site with your rhetoric

This is truly a sad thing im reading up on the tragic events that happened recently and in the past....those pooor people why wont they be left alone... my heart goes out to thsoe people man!! for real
 
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You're absolutely right, it is about the horrible events in MYANMAR.

You once again avoid the root cause, we've been quashing democracy in myanmar for god damn near 60 years now.

They won't be left alone because they're getting down with people's socialist movements, and that doesn't suit our ends.

How does the United States respond to people's socialist movements? We install military dictatorships, and this is a common result.

Nicaragua
Guatemala
Vietnam
Pakistan

I can go on.

All of this is documented, and instead of requesting proof, you simply vomit your incredibly small and uneducated worldview.

Instead of arguing facts, you resort to personal attacks since it is very easy to do given your broad ignorant base. This is logical fallacy, specifically ad hominem -- It seems to be all you know.
 
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nycdfan042

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^^ youre insane dood seriously..youre so self abosrbed in your own lil world, i do not feel sorry for you bro...
 
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sgt.stedanko said:
Instead of being interested in how we promote such atrocity, you claim I'm anti US.

You just DENY it exists so you can get cheap products and a nice place to vacation. Asshole.

We installed this military dictator, and now you'd like to pretend that's not true. I'm disgusted at what is going down over there, and I'm EVEN MORE DISGUSTED THAT OUR GOVERNMENT, AND MY TAX DOLLARS go to support this regime.

It's no secret if you'd only open your hateful mind.

I find it very distastefull that you highjack a thread dedicated to the courageous people of Burma.
If you wish to repeat your backward views on politics again and again i'm sure there is some forum out there that will welcome you with open arms, after all there are plenty of retards on the net.
You know full well that this thread will be closed if it turns in to yet another shitfest, have some respect. I won't respond to any further comments made by you in this thread, you're just here to cause trouble, not to conduct a serious discussion about the suffering of a people oppressed by one of the most violent dictators in the world.
 

nycdfan042

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SGT this is a repeated tactic of yours, you think youre some kind of authority figure and think you have a devine solution or point of view...when in fact you are not...youre probably completely insane....the funny thing is theres a bunch of your kind here....and hopefully someone will grow a pair and toss yer ass to planet ganja or w/e other cannabis site will take you...cuz yo your waring out your welcome fast bud
 
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I'm supporting the people in the truest way. By exposing what has happened and what is being done to INFLICT THIS UPON THEM.

I do not wish these people any ill will, and any intelligent person will be able to see this.

Besides, I simply asked a question initially, and had no intention of responding if nobody was interested in how the US government is directly responsible for this dictatorship.

Ad hominem abound....

Devine view? No I just choose to educate myself. And comparing myself with you, I am an authority, and if you question any of my facts at any time, feel free to challenge them. I'd be more than happy to prove that you're an ignorant little slave.

Challenge my facts, I will respond with proof. Please.

Also, in order to at least adopt the appearance of an education, you ought to spend more time properly punctuating and formatting your posts. They're tough to read and make you look like a fool. Also your spelling is atrocious, a typo is one thing, but misspelling words such as "waring out your welcome" indicate a true lack of education. How's that for ad hominem?

Have you ever noticed that the other people 'like me' tend to properly spell and punctuate their statements? Pay attention, it is quite evident. I do not think this is coincidence.

And, as far as solutions go, non-intervention would guarantee the problems we are involved in go away or at least are stopped from escalating even more. Every last piece of bullshit we're dealing with now is nothing more than blowback from CIA operations of yesterday.

God knows I would love to be able to deny any responsibility for this type of stuff, and my quest for knowledge often leaves me anxious and depressed. I don't like being anxious or depressed, but I'd rather be that then ignorant. I don't like it any more than you do, I just look for what the government is leaving out when they tell us of such atrocities. We're usually behind it, again this is documented and I'd start a thread dedicated to US aggression around the world, if only you'd shut your hate spewing rhetoric factory.

I'd just like to point out a factual error in an above post where I stated the aggression has been going on for damn near 60 years....we started mucking with them in 1962.

May god bless all those dying for freedom.
 
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Harry Gypsna

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insulting the way ppl choose to type(ie quickly usually and without being worried about silly little rules like grammar) isnt the way to assist in getting ur pointt across Sgt, and while i agree that ur point about us gov involvement in the installation of this military regime is correct, when you respond to peoples comments by basically saying im cleverer than you because i spend so long proof reading my posts, you just look as dumb as you are implying the other ppl are.... this is weed site FFS, we're not having an examination marked with points deducted for messy handwriting.....
 
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To be honest I do not proofread my posts one bit. It's a sign of intelligence, just because you're too careless to take pride in the communications you put out doesn't mean I'm going to not make any personal attack I can when I'm dealing with someone that knows no other discourse.

I agree with you completely in that it does undermine my argument, which was already lost from the very start, before I even was able to make a solid argument grounded in fact.

You won't see me make a personal attack on anyone until the same is done to myself.

There is a reason you were graded on such things. It is important and laziness is a pretty poor excuse. Not everyone speaks english as a first language and I can respect that. Honestly I don't see too many intelligent posts that are jammed together as one run on sentence interspersed with .... throughout. But yes it does undermine my argument when I point that out.

I don't need to. Smart, thoughtful people know without me pointing it out.

I find it especially entertaining when NYCD asks "..why won't they leave these poor people alone", and then proceeds to flame me when I offer to explain. Why won't they be left alone? Because you can't be bothered to know what is actually going on over there. Further, I did not hijack a thread, I asked a question, mainly to the poster, that I might elaborate on the causes of this brutal regime as they were not mentioned.
 
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