Bud fried at 8 weeks, what to do?

[Guest]

Well some poor judgement on my part left my Papaya plant with WAY too much nutes. I believe this heavely stunted the bud growth. I am rounding the 8 week mark and the nugs look like they are half the age. I have been flushing hard for over 3 weeks but she doesn't seem to be recovering or making any improvments.

So my question is what should I do, I was wanting to chop at 8 weeks but I could go for another week or so if it will help out.

The pictures actually make it look better than it is, the buds have no deffinition and are mostly leaves and hairs. I am worried that after drying and trimming I will be left with just stems.

Some info on the grow:
Nirvana Papaya strain
Fox Farm soil
Fox Farm Grow Big in veg
Metanaturals Bloom in flower (both obviously used too hard)
150W HPS
100W or so of CFLs

 

[JeffSpicoli]

well that looks really sativa like, so shouldnt it be taking longer than 8 weeks anyways??
looks like it could go another 2 weeks no problem if you ask me....

 

[Guest]

Yea, this really does look like a Sativa.

Bottom line, follow the trichs. Looks like white hairs are still there so obviously there's some new growth. So clip small leaves from the bottom/top and check em....if trichs are milky/amber then you're good, if all milky then it has a little more time.

I dont believe the nute burn would affect it that badly though each strain is diff in how they respond.

 

[VanGrow]

Those bitches are fine....although they are lookin overferted..........when they need water water em with clean 7.0 water let em dry good...check your runoff.....i have plants that look exactly like that from a good bag and they took 10-11 weeks....Your plants are still green...they will grow if you stop ferting them...check out the New Fresh white hairs in your pic....they are very much alive and growing...they should swell....could be 3 more weeks till they are done..when the hairs stop comin then chop em...
Grow on dude....
VG

 

[JJScorpio]

Pakolea, why do you think they are over ferted? You need to stop soaking them. That will stunt them. Let them dry out and go back to regular watering. They have a lot of Sativa in them and they just need more time. See how white and healthy the pistils look? Quit drowning them and you will have some good bud in a few weeks....

 

[Guest]

It's hard to see in the pictures but most all the leaves have severe curl and most many have deep brown spots, I cut off all the leaves that were over 50% fried. When I said I was flushing them hard I didn't exactly mean I was watering them much more often than usual. I still let her dry out plenty in between, but when I do water I make sure I have run off, which is still a piss-yellow color every time.

Thanks for the input everyone it gives me more hope for her. I can allow another 2 weeks of flower but I will be forced to chop and dry before the end of the month.

I guess I was also under the impression that Papaya/Mango was almost completely Indica.

 

[blazeoneup]

I think I see light leak issue's. More then likely your suffering light leaks which is causing them to continue developing and slowing down the ripening stage. Get them in a room with absolute darkness and keep them on 12/12 without interupting the dark cycle, Then just be patient and allow them to ripen, You've more then likely pushed them back 2 weeks due to the light leaks...

Perhaps the actual grow room doesnt have any light leaks and your just a little exited or worried and interupting the night cycle. One way or the other but thats my experienced opinion. You may very well have over-ferted but from the looks of it it wasnt severe enough to cause a lock out of nutrients just enough to burn the leafs which shouldnt delay the ripening...

 

[Guest]

I get plants with those symptoms in the areas at the very edge of the light with the most humidity. They also tend to drink the least amount of water and stay wet.

Could be a number of things but humidity comes to my mind.

 

[Guest]

The cabinet is completely sealed, in the pitch dark you can't find one place showing any sort of light. As far as humidity goes I live in a pretty extreme desert climate the humidity meter on my guage usuallys reads 27% so if anything I would say it's a tad low.

I'm liking these ideas though it is making me double check everything on my set up. I thought someone would agree that the foliage is too deep green for 8 weeks which is why I keep thinking Nitrogen toxicity. I imagine it could do some harm to a plant that is trying to flower out.

Lately the temps have been getting high due to high heat, it's hard to keep the cab below 85 when it is over 90 outside.

So it sounds like I should just let her flower for as long as I can, hopefully it will be looking fatter by 10 weeks.

By the way this is my first grow and I have learned so much from it. I think I can really improve on my next round.

 

[f0urtwenty]

When I said I was flushing them hard I didn't exactly mean I was watering them much more often than usual. I still let her dry out plenty in between, but when I do water I make sure I have run off, which is still a piss-yellow color every time.

If you've over ferted then you need to give them a real flush. The half ass flushes will always keep you guessing whether or not your medium is still your problem. If you decide to flush, then do a full flush. A full flush is when you run off is completely clear. That's how you know all the built up salts and ferts have been completely flushed. If you still have piss yellow run-off, give them a complete flush within the next week, when your buds finish they will taste much better.

 

[f0urtwenty]

Lately the temps have been getting high due to high heat, it's hard to keep the cab below 85 when it is over 90 outside.

What are your temps when the lights are on. Fluffy buds can be caused by high temps. Sorry if I missed it, but are you supplementing co2?

85+ without co2 may cause fluffy buds.

 

[blazeoneup]

Well if the temps are at 85-90 then that would explain the buds stretching I've seen heat produce the same symtoms. They are dark green for late in flower, And a lot of nitrogen could cause the burns and contribute to the tips stretching as well. I agree with the ^^^ above statements, give them one good flush with atleast 40% run off but make sure to allow the soil to properly dry out before doing so.after flushing just continue with the plain water through to harvest at this point its really the only option that and trying to find a way to get your temps down to 75-80 if possible. Also if you could get your humidity up to 40% it wouldnt hurt.

1st grow well you will get the hang of it, And soon these problems will be a thing of the past. Things you need to get under control before the next run imo is the humidity and the temp issue's. Dont know how well your ventilation setup is but getting plenty of air circulating in there wouldnt hurt. Good luck with your current and future grows.

One more thing were you talking about your outside humidity? Because if you are the humidity in the actual cab may very well be different. Just another thought. If its really at 27% that could also contribute to the leaf cupping.

 

[Guest]

"Foxtails" seem to be a sat dom issue although I've seen it on a few indica's.Its normally a result of an overheated flowering plant,not light leaks from my experience.85 degrees F without co2 supplementation like stated earlier is likely the culprit.

 

[blazeoneup]

Soilman I've never seen light leaks cause foxtails myself.I've seen light leaks cause the buds to continue to semi veg or stretch you could say while producing flower resulting in airy buds that are stretched and skinny at the tops of the cola's. I dont know if thats what I would call foxtails though, Sorta looks like it. There are a few spots down from the tips of the buds that look a lot like foxtails. But If it were IMO what I consider foxtails the tops would generally have multiple foxtails rather then looking more like a stretch top which has semi continued growing vertically while forming flowers. Foxtails generally form on buds late in flower that are nice and dense with swollen calyxes. Heat may play a role in them as well but IMO they are little different from what I see in his pics. To me what I see in the pics are buds which appear airy with tip stretching/new flower growth. He may have some foxtailing going on at parts but I wasnt reffering to the foxtail when I said it looks like light leak may be present I was reffering to the tops of the buds.

I am going to post some pics of some foxtails I've seen from some strains, Which were in optimal conditions with co2 enrichment.

Here is what I consider foxtails, Notice how swollen the calyxes are on these and the difference in the structure compared to his. And how the top tops of the cola's on his appear like a single top stretching more so then foxtailing.







Ok well after I get some rest, I will post up some pics of what light leaks has caused to happen to a crop of mine previously. High temps with no co2 present also cause the same type of effect, Both can cause a plant too be airy and look like his which looks a lot like foxtails in area's and maybe foxtails. I guess the point is kinda mute though considering his issue is strictly heat related, Cause he has checked for light leaks and none are present.

I went ahead and copied pasted his pics to my desktop and edited them to point out what I've seen light leaks cause.

 

[dc105]

It's a sativa dom plant! It will take more time than 8 weeks! Just get back on your regimine and they'll be fine! Nute burn will cause yellow and browning on the tips of the leaves!