Bubble cloner and the Transition to soil

[Technique]

I'm currently having alot of success in Cloning plants in a bubble cloner its very rapid within under 5 days roots are showing and within 10 i try to make the transition to soil...

which is where i am running into problems. its like the plants are drying out. even tho the soil is moist and plants clearly have water at the roots...

i've just been repotting them in tiny pots and putting them outside.

should i be using a dome of some sort to keep it humid for a few days?? i cant work out where i am going wrong..

Cheers

 

[MynameStitch]

Here is the thing, the way roots grow in hydro and soil is 2 totaly different ways... transition to soil is going to be stressful as the roots have to grow a different way, when you put them in soil do you just plop them in there and roots are all in one place? Or do you spread them out a bit like move some of the root hairs away from the main tap?

You can use a dome it helps out a lot, get some anti wilt spray if you can.
Spreading the roots out very gently before putting them into soil helps out a lot though you just got to be very very careful when you do though.

 

[Technique]

I thought about them being different ways also so i've tried transplanting with minimal root growth (about 1 inch) and i have tired with alot longer. say 4 inch or so. both so far wilted and dried up crispy very quickly. so the roots aren't that long to begin with.. tho they are quiet spread out around the base of the cut..

i've just taken out another clone which had around 1-2inch root growth and trialing with a a dome now..

lucky i took clones of crap plants to test this all first

 

[Weedninja]

Like Stitch said, you're going from water roots to air roots and it's hard for water roots to take in the moisture and nutes needed for the plant.

I always baby them a little by misting once or twice a day until new leaf growth appears.

Your sig line is quite charming, is that an Oscar Wilde quote?

 

[MynameStitch]

Also the mixture you are putting them in, is it very rich soil? that too can cause issues if the mixture is too hot cause then you are putting them into 2 different environments at once......

 

[Technique]

its just seed raising soil so not too rich at all. and was pretty coldish similar to the water.

 

[Technique]

Like Stitch said, you're going from water roots to air roots and it's hard for water roots to take in the moisture and nutes needed for the plant.

I always baby them a little by misting once or twice a day until new leaf growth appears.

Your sig line is quite charming, is that an Oscar Wilde quote?

yeah hopefully the dome will work, will report back later.

umm its a song by miss kitty i think euro electro shit.

 

[KindHypnos]

This is how I root my cuts too, you'll have alot better luck nursing them with the dome until they strart to adjust... though sometimes I get lucky and they take right off. It's not the best of methods but I have better success then with others that I've tried...

 

[MynameStitch]

rich meaning, does it have a lot of nutrients in the soil?

 

[Deviant420]

Speaking from recent experience, I received 12 AK47 clones that were clearly grown in an aeroponic system for ~2 weeks. Their roots were wrapped in a single, wetted paper towel and close to 10" long on average. I placed them in 16oz cups (Solo cup) with a custom soil mix and when i did so I was certain to spread the roots to the edges of the cup. After four days, they were rather well rooted:

 

[Technique]

ok so the one i domed up this morning has dome the same thing. wilted up badly and gone rather crispy.. tho when the dome was removed it was very moist..

i've given it another spray it may survive, lets hope so but it seems rather harsh on the plant

the soil shouldnt contain much at all.. it isnt fresh from the bag its been sitting in pots for a month or so as i've used them to make clones before or to raise seeds.

This is how I root my cuts too, you'll have alot better luck nursing them with the dome until they strart to adjust... though sometimes I get lucky and they take right off. It's not the best of methods but I have better success then with others that I've tried...

How long are you letting the roots grow? what else are you doing during the transplanting process??

 

[Technique]

the pots are around 2 inches square and around 5-6 inches tall. with a slight taper to the top.

i've tried them under the cloning light also and it failed.. tho i didnt use a dome.. i might give that a shot i've still got about 3-4 cuttings that are unknown anyway just to test.

i might give the superthrive a go.

cheers for all the insight hopefully we can get this working perfect

 

[KindHypnos]

How long are you letting the roots grow? what else are you doing during the transplanting process??

I've tried various amount of root growth and seem to have better luck when they've rooted quite a bit.... not sure how long, maybe 3-4in max.

ok so the one i domed up this morning has dome the same thing. wilted up badly and gone rather crispy.. tho when the dome was removed it was very moist..

Please explain what you mean by 'crispy'

i've tried them under the cloning light also and it failed.. tho i didnt use a dome.. i might give that a shot i've still got about 3-4 cuttings that are unknown anyway just to test.

Try the dome and the cloning light... the idea is that you don't want enough light to make them grow. They need to be rooting not growing. Very lil' light is needed until they've established.

Also... when you say dome.... what exactly are you using??? Are there holes in said 'dome'???

Another question.... what is the enviroment like in your area?? is it very dry?

 

[Deviant420]

If you want consistent success with hydro to soil, I have found you want your clone's root to be much longer, in the 8-10" range. Just my .02.

 

[Technique]

Domes are cut up bottles with out holes. tho i tired with holes too.. they seem to fit nicely on the pots i use..

As for crispy. similar to putting leaves in the oven to dry..

i shall let the next few root more and dome them under the fluro..


i did however try the transfer @ night time and they still came out crispy..


Will have to wait a few days now for the roots on the current clones to grow longer.


Cheers for the help

 

[mixin]

i noticed the slower than expected growth when transplanting too. i am gonna spread mine out better from now on. i wonder in dipping the roots in advanced nutrients pirahna or some other beneficial fungi may make the process easier for the clones?

 

[Deviant420]

Find a root-specific mycorhizze dip. I just picked up Earth Nectar Amrosia A+B, haven't had a chance to use it though. It contains both ecto and endo mycor., although I know they ecto is useless to MJ. Most of those compounds are best applied to the roots directly, where they do their work, so why not @ transplant. Piranha consists of the same stuff I'm pretty sure.

Nectar was a touch cheaper.

 

[spaceghost22]

The direct sunlight and open air breeze combination could be the culprit. The cutting could be stressed if the plant was taken from a plant which has never left the sanctity of the indoors. Keep them indoors for a while and then gradually harden them off maybe?

 

[Technique]

Shall give it a go soon, waiting for some roots

they were taken from an outdoor plant, into a indoor bubbler, then i wanted to give to friends etc.. but they arnt getting past the transplant

 

[foomar]

Might be worth trying a different compost , there have been problems and a few recalls over the years even with brand leaders and i had a batch last year which seemed to cause similar symptoms.

The EC off the runoff was massive and i think they had overdosed when adding ferts to the mix dureing production.

I usually move into soil when white bumps are visible but just before roots form and have lost very few .