Breeding outdoors in northern latitudes, is it a problem?

[snowywolfy]

If I grow a few plants not knowing if their good or bad phenos but I like the tastes or whatever and I mix them. Is it bad as in my latitude 51 will the thc and terpene levels go down over generations as they acclimatise or will they stay the same as I am not directly picking ones with low resin of course I want the good ones and I will try to pollinate good ones but I will not have many plants to choose from.any ideas?

 

[Golli]

If I grow a few plants not knowing if their good or bad phenos but I like the tastes or whatever and I mix them. Is it bad as in my latitude 51 will the thc and terpene levels go down over generations as they acclimatise or will they stay the same as I am not directly picking ones with low resin of course I want the good ones and I will try to pollinate good ones but I will not have many plants to choose from.any ideas?

From the nature side It is only Climate with 12/12 light the nature will select for thc by open pollinate. Anny other climate will loose thc. But like you said: If you select the best phenoes and put them togheter you will probably get plants in the directions you want next year. Also each year Genetic will acclimate will also makes it more easy for you. If you start with a good strain you can start with a open pollination to get alot of seeds. And then you can start pheno hunting. More plants more easy to test/get what you want.

Really fun to make seeds so I wish you the best of luck

 

[snowywolfy]

From the nature side It is only Climate with 12/12 light the nature will select for thc by open pollinate. Anny other climate will loose thc. But like you said: If you select the best phenoes and put them togheter you will probably get plants in the directions you want next year. Also each year Genetic will acclimate will also makes it more easy for you. If you start with a good strain you can start with a open pollination to get alot of seeds. And then you can start pheno hunting. More plants more easy to test/get what you want.

Really fun to make seeds so I wish you the best of luck

I mean man that if I grow 2 sunset sherbet plants in a greenhouse in the uk and I cross em together to get more seeds. I don't take notice really if theire good or bad phenos I just do it. Maybe I could do a few more and try and pick the best phenos. How many will I need to get a good pheno? Ofc I won't pick a shitty plant.will that work?
And when you mean 12/12 what do you mean for thc going down if the plant isn't exposed to at least 12/12 sunlight. I know that a lot of good strains naturally occur to latitude 37 (afghani, pamir, Turkish, Greek) and then lesser strength up to latitude 42 with some rudel Kyrgyzstani hash plants and some south Bulgarian hash plants which are not very strong like 4% thc but their used for charas and theire not cultivated, just wild. So. I know if I left some good genetic pips to grow over generations at my latitude of course they would turn to industrial hemp, but if I just say have 2 reg seeds and ones male and I chop it before it opens and I get the pollen out and I put the pollen in a large baggie and wrap that round a females branch and seal that so it pollinates one branch. Will over time if I did that and when trying to do that I wouldn't pick shitty phenols which don't grow strong or produce much resin, would I still have the same strength and terpene levels as the parents? While acclimatising to strain to the local weather by simply breeding them selectively in my climate. I can't explain more clearly really.

 

[Golli]

I mean man that if I grow 2 sunset sherbet plants in a greenhouse in the uk and I cross em together to get more seeds. I don't take notice really if theire good or bad phenos I just do it. Maybe I could do a few more and try and pick the best phenos. How many will I need to get a good pheno? Ofc I won't pick a shitty plant.will that work?
And when you mean 12/12 what do you mean for thc going down if the plant isn't exposed to at least 12/12 sunlight. I know that a lot of good strains naturally occur to latitude 37 (afghani, pamir, Turkish, Greek) and then lesser strength up to latitude 42 with some rudel Kyrgyzstani hash plants and some south Bulgarian hash plants which are not very strong like 4% thc but their used for charas and theire not cultivated, just wild. So. I know if I left some good genetic pips to grow over generations at my latitude of course they would turn to industrial hemp, but if I just say have 2 reg seeds and ones male and I chop it before it opens and I get the pollen out and I put the pollen in a large baggie and wrap that round a females branch and seal that so it pollinates one branch. Will over time if I did that and when trying to do that I wouldn't pick shitty phenols which don't grow strong or produce much resin, would I still have the same strength and terpene levels as the parents? While acclimatising to strain to the local weather by simply breeding them selectively in my climate. I can't explain more clearly really.

With only a few plant it is more a lotto. But consider most strains have good thc levels and you will probably ending up with decent seeds like simular to your parrents. I suggest you read a little more about breeding in genereal in the breeding section. Do not think about your latitude and think about put your best plant togheter and see what happens Have a nice day sir

 

[snowywolfy]

With only a few plant it is more a lotto. But consider most strains have good thc levels and you will probably ending up with decent seeds like simular to your parrents. I suggest you read a little more about breeding in genereal in the breeding section. Do not think about your latitude and think about put your best plant togheter and see what happens Have a nice day sir

Thank you man I will, I'll try and grow a few, maybe do a treetop grow lol and see which ones I'll breed as theirs limited space in the greenhouse I will make a thread on my treetop grow and it'll be started by next week, thanks

 

[PDX Dopesmoker]

Breed outdoors if you want seeds that will perform outdoors is my opinion. Over the years I've never seen a loss of potency because of the latitude of breeding, pretty much the opposite. We kill the males that don't grow fantastically and any other runts, troublemakers or late bloomers - we culled 75% of them this year. Thats how we select good genes for outdoor growing in our region.
I never heard that stuff about 12/12 being the best way to breed anywhere else before.

Here is a photo of the five guys, don't they look big, strong & healthy? The kind of dude you want your daughter bringing home from college

 

[conradino23]

Get a good F1 cross unless you have the time and resources to work with P1 stock. Choose the best male and the best female, preferably short flowering female and late blooming male. Cross them to get F2. That generation will better suit your needs as F1 was grown in your local climate, hence it will be acclimatised. From this point on you can sift through phenos and try to get IBL or you can clone the pheno that meets your expectations best and make it a keeper. Hope that helps.

 

[St. Phatty]

I think it depends a lot on the local geography.

If you are further North and a hill, mountain, forest etc. block the sun, it shortens the growing season and you have to finish sooner.

It also depends on protection from the elements.

If you get a freezing rain at week 4 and the plants don't have some kind of protection (like a cold frame) ... the season often ends there.

 

[metsäkana]

little frost just takes the bad ones away in north lat61 those took -5c in may

 

[St. Phatty]

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little frost just takes the bad ones away in north lat61 those took -5c in may

I tried flowering using the outdoor light in February March this year.

Got bud. I also had a male plant, it flowered but the female plant (right next to it) just would not make seed (when pollenation occurred around freezing).

Now the female plant is into a re-gen veg cycle and should make some more decent bud the next few months.


I like the frost and respect the frost but maybe I'm a candidate for a bigger better cold frame or greenhouse

 

[metsäkana]

ok it can hit -30c in february here would need a lot of heating i think xD and sun is up like 6 hours? and UV is like 0 here. here its take the frost or dont grow sun is so low its hard to even see it sometimes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce3U0G7UnDQ

do you have pictures of that winter bud xD

 

[therevverend]

Breeding is easy, cross the best by the best.
The one difference at higher latitudes, a lot of times there are males that flower early. From seed, June through early July. Almost auto flower.
Even if they smell and look good I'd probably cull them. When people talk about potency decreasing over generations of open pollinated plants outdoors I'd guess these are the plants they're talking about. You may get earlier finishes but your strains will probably go hempy. I'm suspicious of anything that doesn't flower main run.