ewegrow
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My head is sore from trying to figure out the lineage of all the breeder's genetics. The following is not a rant...just trying to figure out how the game is played. Please read and tune me in.
I don't get the whole need for breeders to keep lineage on new (and existing) lines a big mystery. I mean, there are only so many landraces and possible crosses thereof. Eventually, if you go back far enough (if the info is available) along the tree you end up at the pure landraces.
I personally look at these before choosing a strain. For me this is a must. I want to have variety and that means, for example, that if I'm going to choose two or three sativa dominant strains, I don't want them to all be half skunk (I'm in a daze lookin' for a haze).
As a buyer I need to know the parts that make the whole. That's why I shy away from the 'tuity fruity mango mountain top yummy bummy' strains that don't have the lineage listed.
Now, I understand that a business has to protect their 'secret ingredients'. But the truth is that the majority of us leave the breeding to the experts--i.e. sure there's some that do their own breeding and therefore some that can theoretically copy the lineage, but it won't be the same and it won't be stable and most importantly it won't enter into the competitive seed sales market. The average small time grower isn't going to make his own cross that matches the 'new line' and if he does, its not for the purpose of selling in mass quantities. Furthermore, if 'closet grow joe', or '2KJay' makes the exact cross, it will be from a pool of genetics much smaller than a true breeder. It takes a lot of time effort and numerous plants to create a stable strain for the market--or it should anyways!
In terms of breeders competing against each other--it seems to me that they all have their own niche, which makes them who they are. Like, if DJ puts out a new blueberry and lists the lineage, I doubt REZ is going to dump his diesel breeding projects to 'compete'. But I may be oversimplifying here, and the conflict between DJ Short and DP may be a good example of this ‘competition’…
Ok, I know I'm speaking naively, so feel free to chime in and knock some sense into me. It's just that I have spent an inordinate amount of time learning strains, and a good chunk of it is still a mystery. I suppose some like the 'surprise' and the 'super-secret-I-have-a-special-mysterious-strain', but I for one like the facts laid out so I can make an informed decision. Is that too hard to ask? Apparently so....guess I'll go smoke my skunk cross now
By the way thank you to the person who started the strain lineage thread in the breeders forum.
Cheers,
ewegrow
I don't get the whole need for breeders to keep lineage on new (and existing) lines a big mystery. I mean, there are only so many landraces and possible crosses thereof. Eventually, if you go back far enough (if the info is available) along the tree you end up at the pure landraces.
I personally look at these before choosing a strain. For me this is a must. I want to have variety and that means, for example, that if I'm going to choose two or three sativa dominant strains, I don't want them to all be half skunk (I'm in a daze lookin' for a haze).
As a buyer I need to know the parts that make the whole. That's why I shy away from the 'tuity fruity mango mountain top yummy bummy' strains that don't have the lineage listed.
Now, I understand that a business has to protect their 'secret ingredients'. But the truth is that the majority of us leave the breeding to the experts--i.e. sure there's some that do their own breeding and therefore some that can theoretically copy the lineage, but it won't be the same and it won't be stable and most importantly it won't enter into the competitive seed sales market. The average small time grower isn't going to make his own cross that matches the 'new line' and if he does, its not for the purpose of selling in mass quantities. Furthermore, if 'closet grow joe', or '2KJay' makes the exact cross, it will be from a pool of genetics much smaller than a true breeder. It takes a lot of time effort and numerous plants to create a stable strain for the market--or it should anyways!
In terms of breeders competing against each other--it seems to me that they all have their own niche, which makes them who they are. Like, if DJ puts out a new blueberry and lists the lineage, I doubt REZ is going to dump his diesel breeding projects to 'compete'. But I may be oversimplifying here, and the conflict between DJ Short and DP may be a good example of this ‘competition’…
Ok, I know I'm speaking naively, so feel free to chime in and knock some sense into me. It's just that I have spent an inordinate amount of time learning strains, and a good chunk of it is still a mystery. I suppose some like the 'surprise' and the 'super-secret-I-have-a-special-mysterious-strain', but I for one like the facts laid out so I can make an informed decision. Is that too hard to ask? Apparently so....guess I'll go smoke my skunk cross now
By the way thank you to the person who started the strain lineage thread in the breeders forum.
Cheers,
ewegrow
as long as people are not open about what they do they can do it in their hole and keep their lil secrets, I respect all those people that not only breed but also tell us what they breed and how/why, not the old pirates that sit and speech about their "very special" elite "strains" while polishing their gold...well, went all nuts again lol 
