Bio-bizz
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goingrey
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What did you get?
Been a while since I used them and from what I understand it's not the same stuff anymore. But maybe the same could still apply... Start off with 50/50 grow and bloom and a bit of Alg-A-Mic. Keep up with that while the stretch is strong and then slowly transition away from the grow to just bloom. And at the very end just water.
Simple but worked for me. I would also use other grow fertilizers instead of Bio Grow and other seaweed extracts instead of Alg-A-Mic. Cheaper stuff. But always the Bio Boom.
Never tried Top Max but some people swore by it. Now they also have some new bottles not sure what they even are, Bio Heaven etc.
Been a while since I used them and from what I understand it's not the same stuff anymore. But maybe the same could still apply... Start off with 50/50 grow and bloom and a bit of Alg-A-Mic. Keep up with that while the stretch is strong and then slowly transition away from the grow to just bloom. And at the very end just water.
Simple but worked for me. I would also use other grow fertilizers instead of Bio Grow and other seaweed extracts instead of Alg-A-Mic. Cheaper stuff. But always the Bio Boom.
Never tried Top Max but some people swore by it. Now they also have some new bottles not sure what they even are, Bio Heaven etc.
revegeta666
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My advice - careful with the feeding plans Biobizz have on their website. They are crazy. As a starting point consider using half of what they recommend.
For most ace strains you should be good with the 3 base nutrients. Not saying the other products are not good but they are just not needed for a good grow.
I think Fish Mix is a lot better than BioGrow. You are supposed to use one of the 2. Fish Mix works better imo but has a little fishy smell. They sell the Bio Grow in case the fish smell would be a problem indoors.
You are supposed to use their grow nutrients in flower as well by the way, in small quantities. Meaning if you are using Biogrow you would use throughout the veg and flower.
Top max is their version of a PK booster, it works well but some plants that are more delicate, can get stressed and show male flowers if not used sparingly.
If you are using leds you will need their Calmag product as well.
Also be aware that you can't really trust an EC meter's readings with this brand of nutrients. It just doesn't work well.
For most ace strains you should be good with the 3 base nutrients. Not saying the other products are not good but they are just not needed for a good grow.
I think Fish Mix is a lot better than BioGrow. You are supposed to use one of the 2. Fish Mix works better imo but has a little fishy smell. They sell the Bio Grow in case the fish smell would be a problem indoors.
You are supposed to use their grow nutrients in flower as well by the way, in small quantities. Meaning if you are using Biogrow you would use throughout the veg and flower.
Top max is their version of a PK booster, it works well but some plants that are more delicate, can get stressed and show male flowers if not used sparingly.
If you are using leds you will need their Calmag product as well.
Also be aware that you can't really trust an EC meter's readings with this brand of nutrients. It just doesn't work well.
RobFromTX
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Like reveg said just tread lightly. I messed my current harvest up a little bit by following their recommendations
I got the Fish-Mix, I haven't looked into the biobizz products much, and apparently there's much more than I realized.
The soil mix I'm using is pretty good and gets many plants all the way through flower just fine, but some of these Ace sativas start showing significant deficiencies late through flower.
I am using LED lighting, and I know about the huge mg Def. That happens using them, took about a year to figure what was going on there.
I dont think i really need the whole line either, but it may be worth picking up a few more bottles, like bloom, and cal-mg. Maybe a small bottle of top-max.
As sensitive as these plants can be, I'm definitely not interested in following their guidelines, which is why I turn to people with real world experience on the same type plants I'm needing a little help with.
I can't help but think I'm leaving a fairly good amount of potential on the table with yield and potency as they get late into flower and the deficiencies start to.appear.
The soil mix I'm using is pretty good and gets many plants all the way through flower just fine, but some of these Ace sativas start showing significant deficiencies late through flower.
I am using LED lighting, and I know about the huge mg Def. That happens using them, took about a year to figure what was going on there.
I dont think i really need the whole line either, but it may be worth picking up a few more bottles, like bloom, and cal-mg. Maybe a small bottle of top-max.
As sensitive as these plants can be, I'm definitely not interested in following their guidelines, which is why I turn to people with real world experience on the same type plants I'm needing a little help with.
I can't help but think I'm leaving a fairly good amount of potential on the table with yield and potency as they get late into flower and the deficiencies start to.appear.
goingrey
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The Bio Bloom recommendation seems sensible to me? 1-4ml/l. Especially since it's a general chart not one for sensitive strains. The problem is at some point they advise 4-5ml/l of everything else along with it, lol.
Also a strange recommendation in the chart "water 2-3 times a week, no need to water till run-off". Everyone's got their style but I always watered slowly until there was a little runoff and then waited for the soil to dry before watering again..
Also a strange recommendation in the chart "water 2-3 times a week, no need to water till run-off". Everyone's got their style but I always watered slowly until there was a little runoff and then waited for the soil to dry before watering again..
RobFromTX
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That is so true
revegeta666
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No fish mix is not the end of the world. It's more about how much of a Karen your wife is.
If you are usually getting deficiencies but only late in flower, definitely pick up the bio bloom. Fish mix will work well to correct a nitrogen deficiency. Top Max works better with commercial strains, less so with real sativas I think.
If you are usually getting deficiencies but only late in flower, definitely pick up the bio bloom. Fish mix will work well to correct a nitrogen deficiency. Top Max works better with commercial strains, less so with real sativas I think.
revegeta666
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Thwy say there's no need to water til runoff because these nutrients don't leave salt buildup in the soil. You can water to runoff if you want especially the days you feed them.
4 ml of biobloom will work on hungry strains in weeks 3-5. But I usually don't go past 3 ml. Using 4-5 ml of every bottle is just silly and they should be ashamed of themselves for suggesting to do that lol.
Just imagine how dark your water mix would be using that much.
The fish mix should help me a lot with the plants in veg, sometimes while waiting on others to finish, they still in quite small pots for way too long, like a 6-8 weeks, and then they've yellowed out quite a bit.
I use 5 gallon buckets, so I only water once a week, there is some runoff on some, but I don't pour to runoff, is just water with 1-2 gallons and 7-10 days later do it again.
I have a headband x Triangle kush finish8ng up, takes about 8 or 9 weeks that looks good finish8ng, and generally other hybrids fade out nice most of the time, some show deficiencies. Trying to think back, I'd say most of the 12week and longer tropical sativas can get to looking pretty ragged by harvest.
The fish mix should help me a lot with the plants in veg, sometimes while waiting on others to finish, they still in quite small pots for way too long, like a 6-8 weeks, and then they've yellowed out quite a bit.
I use 5 gallon buckets, so I only water once a week, there is some runoff on some, but I don't pour to runoff, is just water with 1-2 gallons and 7-10 days later do it again.
I have a headband x Triangle kush finish8ng up, takes about 8 or 9 weeks that looks good finish8ng, and generally other hybrids fade out nice most of the time, some show deficiencies. Trying to think back, I'd say most of the 12week and longer tropical sativas can get to looking pretty ragged by harvest.
revegeta666
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7-10 days between waterings sounds like a long time man. I try to aim for 3 days between waterings. Plants usually do better when the soil is allowed to dry a little. Sativas are challenging to grow indoors haha it's a commitment for sure.
RobFromTX
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yeah sativas are some persnickety bastards but man is the final product worth it or what
They probably are drying out a little too much sometimes, but there's a good bit of peat in there, and unless they're pretty far along in flower and Pretty big, they stay moist for a while. I guess there's been an over correction somewhat from a terrible fungus gnat infestation earlier in the year. 5 days would probably be ideal, and for maybe the last 6 weeks at 3 days. I need to get a calender to hangup, because I lose track of how many days it's been. I'm sure that will help with planning and tracking using bio buzz when I start
Most definitely are a commitment, the cycles are so long that working out errors is process that demands commitment. The biggest issue I have sometimes is the time, and sometimes the want to, to mess with the plants on a regular basis. I miss being in college and growing, where I could sit and look at the plants for hours.
RobFromTX
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It turned out terrible for me. Nothing more painful than having to throw away half your weed but hey its all a learning experience. Ive never reused soil though. I know a lot of super soil growers do that with great success
xet
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When reuse of soil is done right the soil improves over time and thus the quality of the medicine.
If someone is starting out or looking for a change I would start with https://thesoilking.com/products/big-rootz-soil
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I just got to remembering when I grew zamaldelica, destroyer, and one other sativa the first time in 2015 using Flora nova, and talk about the worse quality, hay smelling, Ditch weed ever. I didn't use full strength, but it was a total fail.
I have a big plastic tub, like 60 gallons, not sure it could be bigger, that I'll dump all my soil back into, including any plant matter so I don't have any waste that ever leaves the room. I have worms in the bin to help compost that and other things I may add like some coffee grounds. Then when I repot it I'll add stuff like morganite, triple super phosphate, Epsom salt, lime, chicken manure, dry amendment mix, a little organic tomato fert for the beneficial microbes, and that's good for about 10 weeks it appears. I'm scared to add to much trying to get extra time out of it because a few leaves may claw on the most sensitive sativas.
