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Better Grow Hydro

freedominphilly

Active member
Hey folks. A friend of a friend asked me to post a letter he wrote to Better Grow Hydro, out of LA, California.

Mods, if this is inappropriate, please delete this post and I apologize ahead of time. Although I feel it's important folks are informed.

Good Morning Joel and BGH Team,

I'm writing this letter to express my utter and complete dissatisfaction with your company.

I suppose it all started with my very first order. I ordered roughly $500 dollars worth of equipment and supplies, including a carbon air filter. When I received my shipment, I got an empty box which should have contained the air filter. It took 2-3 weeks and me calling my credit card company to withhold funds and initiate a dispute, for me to finally receive an actual filter.

Ok, not the best first experience with a company, but you folks seemed nice enough that I would attempt to business with you again.

So I place another order for supplies and lighting totalling $700. Everything seemed smooth enough; every item I ordered was there and no empty boxes. However, when I examined the light kit you folks sent me, the bulb was already screwed into the socket and was broken. In my opinion, that has got to be the stupidest way to ship a light kit. The bulb is sitting in the socket with no support whatsoever. So I contact your store, and Joel was nice enough to send out a replacement. It took an the entire length of a week to ship to me, which was fine because I wasn't firing the bulb up immediately.

Three days ago I set up the light. Yesterday I find that the bulb was exploded in the inside. "Wonderful", I think to myself. At this point I actually *NEED* the bulb for my plants to be healthy. So I contact your store and speak to Joel and explain the problem; about how important it is for me to have a working bulb and so forth. He said that he would ship another one out to me and that it would take 1 week. 1 week that my plants are supposed to go without the light they need. I ask Joel to upgrade the bulb to a better one (what's that, a $30-$40 difference to you guys?) to compensate me for my troubles. His response? "Dude, you're evil." I really didn't think it was that big of a request, seeing as how in 4 months I have personally given your company close to $1500 worth of business (there was a 3rd order for roughly $200 for another light and when I recieved the ballast, the entire insides had become detached and mangled and I had to put it back together myself). Joel doesn't even offer to overnight the bulb to me, fully knowing that I need that bulb *right now*.

To make matters worse, I check my email this morning hoping to find that the bulb was shipped yesterday as Joel said it would, as time is very much of the essence at this point. Nope, nothing. My needs are clearly not important.

Customer satisfaction does not seem to be a high priority to you folks. At least not to a "smaller guy" like myself. After all, I'm not some bigtime California Hydroponic "medicine" grower.

I will never do business with your company again. I am going to tell 5 real life friends of my completely unsatisfactory experience with you folks, and ask them to tell 5 of their friends, and so on. I am also a member of several online gardening forums and I will inform everyone there of my experience with your company.

A simple $40 dollar upgrade and an overnight shipping could have prevented all of this and I would have been quelled. But apparently a request like that makes me "evil".

I would like the replacement bulb shipment to be canceled and the cost of the bunk bulb be credited to my account. I will be happy to send the defective bulb back, so long as it is at no cost to me.

I wish the experience could have been better. Online grow shops are a dime-a-dozen and I am confident that I can find better prices and better service.

Regretfully,
xxxxxx xxxxxxxx
 

lc00p4

STORM-TROOPA
Veteran
hmm bg seemed legit... such an unfortunate situation. i want to get a hydrohut mini from them because they have the best price, but now i am a little more apprehensive. hope all goes well for your friend.
 

cocktail frank

Ubiquitous
Mentor
ICMag Donor
Veteran
i use them all the time, never a problem til my last order.
ive spent 1000's of dollars there.
i did recieve a broken hps during my last shipment, 3 0f the 4 bulbs i ordered were ok.
i did send em an email and haven't recieved any reply.
although their return policy states they're not responsible for some bulb being broke during shipping.
they did say they would help w/ getting a credit from the shipper, but so far, nothing.
 

stretchpup

Active member
BG is legit. I call and talk to them like a normal f'ing person if there is a mistake and they HOOK ME UP. Maybe it was the way you and your friend went about doing business. You sound like kids.

With the influx of new growers to the scene no one will be perfect.

Almost 100% of my supplies come from them. I'm way more in that that measly 1500...

You think BG is so bad, good luck with other online vendors... :wave:
 
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Darkstarlive

BGH was a top notch company to do buisness with but recently they have been slipping, particularlly the shipping department. I ordered a 600w Lumatek ballast and when it arrived the shipper had slapped a shipping label on the flimsy box the ballast comes in and shipped it that way, no packaging in a bigger box with those little air pillows to protect it, of course it was all bent to hell and who know what happened to the internal components. I did recieve a replacment packed correctly but they don't expedite the shipping when they screw up.

Peace..
 

freedominphilly

Active member
stretchpup said:
BG is legit. I call and talk to them like a normal f'ing person if there is a mistake and they HOOK ME UP. Maybe it was the way you and your friend went about doing business. You sound like kids.

With the influx of new growers to the scene no one will be perfect.

Almost 100% of my supplies come from them. I'm way more in that that measly 1500...

You think BG is so bad, good luck with other online vendors... :wave:

Um, yeah. Dude, we're not kids. I'm personally in my 30's and my friend who does the business with them is in his 50's. He did call them and spoke to them like a 'normal f'ing person'...kind, polite, and understanding.

The way WE went about doing business?? Hmm, ordering stuff and not having it come or having it come broken? How exactly is that something wrong with the way WE do business? Seriously, we're just customers trying to buy a product.

And in my opinion, the email written to them was polite, professional, and not attacking in any way.

Sir, I think you may need to get over yourself.
 
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stretchpup

Active member
Oh, okay.

Well, enjoy.

[I'm sorry for being so harsh. My experiences have been way different is all. I don't want to mention how I was reimbursed for any "wrong doing," as I don't want every stoner expecting them same- they made me a happy customer]
 
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ibtokin

Member
bgh isnt the greatest shop around, decent online prices, but in-store they overcharge. ive never ordered from them online though, only bought in person lol.

lots of choices for hydro stores in the la area so i dont keep my business with bgh. try gchydro.com - greencoast are good guys, theyll take great care of you
 

freedominphilly

Active member
In Joel's defense, he did say things were crazy in there yesterday...

my main point was that, to me, a simple upgrade would have been good for customer service, would have been a drop in the bucket for a company that does so much business, and I would have come away happy, and happy to do business with them again...but the refusal to do the simple bulb upgrade, after i did ask nicely and kindly (i know you dont know me, but I assure you I was), after messing up every one of my (few) orders, just left a bad taste in my mouth.

And so I thought the community should be informed. In business, happy customers and good customer service, in my experience, is essential for success.
 

GDB

Member
You should probably be blaming the shipping company as much as the outlet. Everything is at risk to be damaged during shipment. I recommend all growers have backup ballasts and bulbs along with the time it takes to deal with some online shipments. Nothing beats paying a little extra and going local to have something in your hands immediately, that's if your not paranoid and stuff.
 

freedominphilly

Active member
GDB said:
You should probably be blaming the shipping company as much as the outlet. Everything is at risk to be damaged during shipment. I recommend all growers have backup ballasts and bulbs along with the time it takes to deal with some online shipments. Nothing beats paying a little extra and going local to have something in your hands immediately, that's if your not paranoid and stuff.

Yeah I totally hear ya, and I do blame the shipping company...but to a certain degree. What didn't make sense to me though, was the fact that they shipped the light kit with the bulb already screwed into the socket...common sense would dictate, that if I were a packer for BGH, knowing that transit could get a little rough, i would just leave the bulb in it's original box, placed in the hood, as there was plenty of room for that sort of scenario, instead of having the bulb sitting screwed into the socket, with room for movement.

Eh, I think it's pretty much gotten to the point of :beat-dead:.

I've already ordered a cheaper, better bulb, from a company that is probably 1/100 the distance.
 

toohighmf

Well-known member
Veteran
hello

hello

BGH is a pretty reputable store, though I have had my share of trouble as a competitor. I too retail goods, and when I ship a bulb out it stays in the og. box and is then bubblewrapped or packed w peanuts. I always brown box ballasts or anything w a visible label. I would of overnited you a horti bulb the minute asked for one. I was a tech rep for AN and I try to win my customers over with the free customer tech support. Dave is a smart dude, but I think he's old school. I would do my best to earn anyones business right now. Maybe give me a chance on some smal stuff and take it from there.
oh, yeah... Carbon filters.. they dont ship well unless on a pallet full of gear.
UPS, DHL AND USPS cost me over $2000 last year in damage. I drop ship that kinda stuff.. feel free to hit me up. I would love a chance. I ship from both coasts and even have a midwest shipping location to get the product out faster and cheaper on the shipping end.
 

rastamonunika

Active member
hidhut.com

never had any problems, ever. They are kind, courteous, and always help you out. I cant reccommend them enough i think, but they are certainly one of a kind. And also, if they dont have a product listed, email or call, and they will most likely order it for you!


sorry about the bunk equipment freedom, i know the next company you choose will
be much better for you!


enjoii!


infinite Love
unika
 

PuttPutt33

Member
I had somebody steal a res i ordered from the off my door step. was the first thing i ordered from there. I called them and they send me another no ? asked. I thought highly of them after that and i order pretty much everything from them. They have the best prices around. vortecs are super cheap so are the hydro huts as somebody stated. I have placed many orders and the only problem i see with them is that they charge so much for shipping, other than that i think the are the best hydro store online.
 

pumpkin2006

Member
Is one persons experience going to be the same as another's? Absolutely not, the reality is, that we're all humans and sometimes were having a bad day or react to something and that translates into our judgment and cognitive abilities. Dude, fucked up by not helping your buddy out, but he's probably not the one who packaged the bulb like that. His fault still? Yes, but still in his head, no, because someone else fucked up and now this adds to his daily tasks and headaches. One thing that can be said though, if you fuck up in business, you better be willing to suck some dick to keep your custies.
 

killabrown420

Active member
I might be reading this wrong...but didn't you say your friend...the one in his 50's was the one who wrote this letter? Why now in this post you refer to the incident as if you were the one doing business w/ BG.

It sounds like to me that you had a bad experience w/ them...and now your trying to smear shit on thier name as a way to even things out as you were denied an upgrade. I know your probably a nice guy but just from what you've posted who knows how much truth there is to your claims. Without the guy from BG chiming in on his side of the story there is no use in posting this crap. It's one thing to "inform" others of a bad experience, but to post it in response to being denied an upgrade...especially ASKING for it and not having it offered, it seems like you feel pretty shafted and thus the letter.

Good luck to you
freedominphilly said:
In Joel's defense, he did say things were crazy in there yesterday...

my main point was that, to me, a simple upgrade would have been good for customer service, would have been a drop in the bucket for a company that does so much business, and I would have come away happy, and happy to do business with them again...but the refusal to do the simple bulb upgrade, after i did ask nicely and kindly (i know you dont know me, but I assure you I was), after messing up every one of my (few) orders, just left a bad taste in my mouth.

And so I thought the community should be informed. In business, happy customers and good customer service, in my experience, is essential for success.
 
G

Guest

I have have had similer experiances with BGH. Personally I would rather do business with the Devil himself the BGH. THEY SUCK ASS!!!!
 

Germanator

Member
have been picking up a wide variety of supplies from BG for a few years now, and I have no complaints...to each his own.

Germ
 
G

Guest

killabrown420 said:
I might be reading this wrong...but didn't you say your friend...the one in his 50's was the one who wrote this letter? Why now in this post you refer to the incident as if you were the one doing business w/ BG.

It sounds like to me that you had a bad experience w/ them...and now your trying to smear shit on thier name as a way to even things out as you were denied an upgrade. I know your probably a nice guy but just from what you've posted who knows how much truth there is to your claims. Without the guy from BG chiming in on his side of the story there is no use in posting this crap. It's one thing to "inform" others of a bad experience, but to post it in response to being denied an upgrade...especially ASKING for it and not having it offered, it seems like you feel pretty shafted and thus the letter.

Good luck to you

Sounds to me like you need to quit swingin from BGH's nuts dude. He has every right to make people aware of his problem, regardless of who actually placed the orders.

Thanks for the heads up freedominphilly. Try gchydro or hidhut next time, definitely better than bgh.
 
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